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Fighting Games Weekly | July 29 - August 4 | Obey your thirst

Translation: MarkMan has transcended the Illuminati and now wears the One Ring. He has handed out lesser rings to his former comrades. MarkMan no longer needs their cooperation and has the power to destroy them at will with the combined forces of Just Frames, Daigo, and the MadCatz Tiger. The former Illuminati now bristle at the reminder that they were once equals with he who is now King. He stands atop the top of the largest arcade stick in the world, and sees all that occurs, smiting that which displeases him.

All hail King MarkMan!
 
Translation: MarkMan has transcended the Illuminati and now wears the One Ring. He has handed out lesser rings to his former comrades. MarkMan no longer needs their cooperation and has the power to destroy them at will with the combined forces of Just Frames, Daigo, and the MadCatz Tiger. The former Illuminati now bristle at the reminder that they were once equals with he who is now King. He stands atop the top of the largest arcade stick in the world, and sees all that occurs, smiting that which displeases him.

not as good as my fan fic
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
There's a real (10%ish) reaction speed gap between the genders. Depending on the speed of the game it can make more or less of a difference. I actually think a Women's tournament at EVO would be great.
Using averages to determine how individuals should be treated is bad science, especially when the variability within each group can be much more significant.
 

kirblar

Member
Using averages to determine how individuals should be treated is bad science, especially when the variability within each group can be much more significant.
In this case I don't think it'd be more of an attempt to "ghetto-ize" female competitors, but more to provide a showcase for them.

The inherent problem is likely that there might not be enough higher-level female players currently out there and attending EVO, so you run the risk of the event backfiring if you don't have enough playing at a certain level.
 

smurfx

get some go again
i've always had choppy streams on youtube live streams. unless youtube creates their own gaming stream section then i doubt they harm twitch in any meaningful way. although it would be nice if those streamers with enough bandwidth could dual stream in case one of the streams dies. also the youtube chat sucks as well.

My experience has been the opposite. Youtube streams are smooth as hell
 
Youtube streams have been smooth when I've occasionally used them, but twitch has a directory that shows who's streaming right now and lets you sort by game. Back when cross counter live was on youtube I could never tell whether the show had started yet or not because it's impossible to find shows that are currently on.
 

Duxxy3

Member

As long as chat sucks it will never be a competitor.

Youtube streams have been smooth when I've occasionally used them, but twitch has a directory that shows who's streaming right now and lets you sort by game. Back when cross counter live was on youtube I could never tell whether the show had started yet or not because it's impossible to find shows that are currently on.

That too.
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Youtube streams have been smooth when I've occasionally used them, but twitch has a directory that shows who's streaming right now and lets you sort by game. Back when cross counter live was on youtube I could never tell whether the show had started yet or not because it's impossible to find shows that are currently on.
My experience on the dot.

Though GAF is my stream chat so I'll take a stream I can watch over 240p and one that's smoother over Twitch shit any day.
 

Kumubou

Member
I've had random buffering problems with Youtube that don't seem to occur with Twitch, but you also get features like timeshifting on Youtube. I'm willing to bet that streaming for people on the EC or Europe is going to be a lot better on Youtube than it is on Twitch (where it's always been a problem for whatever reason). The chat on Youtube blows, but it also blows on Twitch so it's a wash.

Another bonus: Youtube isn't blocked where I work, but Twitch is. :x

Also: Either Play-Asia fucked up, or Aquapazza is getting a US release (or both). Now everyone can experience getting bopped by Chizuru and some of the worst netcode this side of KoFXII. It's a shame, since the game itself is actually pretty good, and very un-anime like mechanically for a FG. (no airdashes or double jumps???)
 
You want to watch a twitch channel? You go to their channel page, and if they're streaming right now, you'll see it. Otherwise it tells you the channel is offline and you can view archives if you want.

How do you watch a live youtube channel? Fuck if I know. I went to what I thought was cross counter live's "channel page" when an episode was supposed to be on, and it was showing a rerun of some earlier episode, instead of showing the episode that's currently airing live right now.
 

Busaiku

Member
When I watched Cross Counter Live, I used to go to the Justin TV page and find a link to it from there.
Quality is alright, but the lack of accessibility absolutely kills it.
 
How do you watch a live youtube channel? Fuck if I know. I went to what I thought was cross counter live's "channel page" when an episode was supposed to be on, and it was showing a rerun of some earlier episode, instead of showing the episode that's currently airing live right now.

I always google "youtube live" and get the link of live feeds there since I can't ever find such a link from the main youtube page. I'd bookmark it if I was a frequent enough visitor, but I'm not.
 

A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
I wait for the link to be posted on gaf/twitter like I do for any twitch stream.

Because seeing a stream the second it starts isn't fucking imperative to me.
 

Busaiku

Member
If you didn't see Cross Counter Live the second it started, then you missed out on Steve.
At least that was the case when I used to watch it.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Heh heh, Marn tactics.
http://evilgeniuses.gg/counting-frames-pr-rog-vs-infiltration-evo-2013/
Vandole: You took the second set, and on the camera you are sweating hard. What in the world was going on inside your head?

PR Balrog: How did I do this? Did I finally find the answer? Really? This is like day one. Former Evil Genius member, Marn used to do this all the time. Crouching jab, Crouching jab with Dudley and then Focus. It would hit everyone. I was like, okay. It’s not a good thing to rely on but it’s working right now. Do it. If you see when I played Tokido, he answered my focus every time. He always option selected crouching short into Tatsu. I just think Infiltration wasn’t ready for it.

Vandole: Infiltration clearly doesn’t have notes on Marn tactics.
 

JDdelphin

Member
You're top 8 at evo, and something is working. Fucking do it.

Infiltration's notes didn't cover 'Marn tactics' just like PR Rog's brain was lacking general Hakan info

So much damn homework out there to do...


And Infiltration's autistic robot brain was having to wrap around the Air breakup on top of everything- 'What is this thing you humans call.... 'sadness'?'
I really wonder if PR Rog had just a little more general Hakan experience if that would have been enough
 

Dahbomb

Member
There's a real (10%ish) reaction speed gap between the genders. Depending on the speed of the game it can make more or less of a difference. I actually think a Women's tournament at EVO would be great.
Is that average difference or peak difference? Because average difference is not going to apply to high level play.
 

JDdelphin

Member
It was done with college-level athletes, if I recall correctly.

INBORN LAG, DUDE. No wonder they stink at games
I bet this is why women are bad drivers too, dawg.
They get scared real easy and faint, too.
They don't even LIKE videogames- not REALLY. They just do it to get boys.
It's all becuz two million years ago men had to fight bears and all women had to do was all the cooking and handle that d like god [the man himself] intended [/no]


Could you cite this study please? I wanna know more as now it's just a case of 'I read this one thing online that said something this one time.'
Like, did it involve mental reaction, muscle reaction, reflex, or what?

Personally, it seems like a bit of hot bunk to me, but now that I'm thinking about it- I'd like to research.
I gotta know!
 

SUPARSTARX

Member
I haven't been in the loop with SG. What's Peacock's best zoning methods and how to close the gap? I was playing with Squiggly a lil bit and see that her singing move closes the distance but I am learning her solo... so it was pretty hard and it looks like I'll need an assist perhaps. :(
 

kirblar

Member
INBORN LAG, DUDE. No wonder they stink at games
I bet this is why women are bad drivers too, dawg.
They get scared real easy and faint, too.
They don't even LIKE videogames- not REALLY. They just do it to get boys.
It's all becuz two million years ago men had to fight bears and all women had to do was all the cooking and handle that d like god [the man himself] intended [/no]


Could you cite this study please? I wanna know more as now it's just a case of 'I read this one thing online that said something this one time.'
Like, did it involve mental reaction, muscle reaction, reflex, or what?

Personally, it seems like a bit of hot bunk to me, but now that I'm thinking about it- I'd like to research.
I gotta know!
UltraDavid linked it a while back on twitter- I don't have time at work right now to search up the exact one. It turns out there's multiple studies on this now, actually.

https://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=men+women+reaction+times&oq=men+women+reaction+times&gs_l=hp.3..0j0i22i30l3.638.5584.0.5737.31.26.1.2.2.1.567.6201.0j8j13j0j1j2.24.0....0...1c.1.23.psy-ab..5.26.5563.RRbNqWNp6N8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.50165853,d.ZWU&fp=59d73b0aa5c23a17&biw=1280&bih=860

Please don't insult me by trying to claim I'm doing this out of any sort of mysogynistic desire to put down women. Men and women are different. And that's ok. It doesn't mean they're inferior- it means the sexes are just different.

edit: http://www.seeingthefield.com/GenderInfluenceOnResponseTime.pdf I think this was the one? http://biae.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/lab/110/reaction.htm#Gender has a listing of prior studies.
 

JDdelphin

Member
UltraDavid linked it a while back on twitter- I don't have time at work right now to search up the exact one. It turns out there's multiple studies on this now, actually.

https://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=men+women+reaction+times&oq=men+women+reaction+times&gs_l=hp.3..0j0i22i30l3.638.5584.0.5737.31.26.1.2.2.1.567.6201.0j8j13j0j1j2.24.0....0...1c.1.23.psy-ab..5.26.5563.RRbNqWNp6N8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.50165853,d.ZWU&fp=59d73b0aa5c23a17&biw=1280&bih=860

Please don't insult me by trying to claim I'm doing this out of any sort of mysogynistic desire to put down women. Men and women are different. And that's ok. It doesn't mean they're inferior- it means the sexes are just different.

edit: http://www.seeingthefield.com/GenderInfluenceOnResponseTime.pdf I think this was the one? http://biae.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/lab/110/reaction.htm#Gender has a listing of prior studies.

Sorry. I apologize for the insulting insinuation jokery.
I'm just so used to the opposite view everywhere in my life and online- it's like a reflex :p

Thank you for the links as well! Gonna check these out for sure
 

El Sloth

Banned
I haven't been in the loop with SG. What's Peacock's best zoning methods and how to close the gap? I was playing with Squiggly a lil bit and see that her singing move closes the distance but I am learning her solo... so it was pretty hard and it looks like I'll need an assist perhaps. :(
I can't play the PC beta, so I can't really help you out much when it comes to Squigly since I don't know which methods would be best for her against the Peacock matchup. Just speaking from what I've seen/heard though, superjumping and using her air options like the divekick to alter her landing trajectory or that really far reaching Dhalsim-like normal of hers would be a good idea. Does she have an airdash? Make sure to use that as well if she does. Be careful when pressing buttons in the air though, since Peacock can call an Item Drop to punish you if she's not already doing something else like the bomb cancels (which I believe disappear now when she gets hit). Use that singing move of hers that closes the distance, of course, and don't forget to throw out that sing super of hers that calls out a projectile that stays in front of you (I think?) to use as a potential shield.

Learn the trajectory of her anti-air bomb.

The key to fighting Peacock is patience. Don't let her projectile spam overwhelm you and look for the gaps in her patterns. Be on the look out for her teleports when you've got her cornered as they are easily punishable. Don't forget that her "Garbage Day" move is actually just a normal, so she can cancel it any time to a bomb, item drop, or teleport (for baby mixups). Her laser super is very punishable at close ranges. After the first initial laser don't be scared to just dash up and hit her if you're close enough. If you're far away and they randomly use the super, block the initial laser and superjump over the 2nd volley using anything you have to close the distance and/or float in the air. Or just block after the jump.

Don't pushblock her projectiles when you're trying to close the distance.

I don't know how viable Solo Squigly is, but I always recommend having an assist in general for this game. Just feels like you're handicapping yourself if you don't. Parasoul's H tear is faster than all of Peacocks projectiles, but not a very useful assist otherwise. You can try using one of Cerebella's armored moves to act as a shield. I think you can use her ram attack as an assist in the beta now? If so, then definitely try that. You could try having an invincible uppercut assist for when you finally get close enough to put pressure on her and challenge any uppercut assists of her own.

Also consider learning another character, like Parasoul who does very well against Peacock, and using Squigly herself as an assist (the singing move that closes the distance).

Best advice really is be patient, block, and close the distance as best you can.

You should head to the Skullgirls OT in the gaming community tab since they can be way more helpful than me.
 

PHOTOSHOP

Member
How many of you guys be playing Marvel or SFXT on Vita? playing to get vita and wonder how active is the online community is? netcode good?
 
How many of you guys be playing Marvel or SFXT on Vita? playing to get vita and wonder how active is the online community is? netcode good?

mvc3 vita is full of rage quitters. I go on to test bs teams (KBR). Connection can be good enough to play decently. I have seen people do Magneto's bnb on the vita online. But it can also get very bad since it is wifi only.

Umvc3 can be active and at the same time can be dead. Its hit/miss with more misses lately.
 
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