Selig is out for A rods blood. If the lawyers really whittled it down that far, I think he would just ban him for life out of spite. After a rod brought up his tinfoil hat idea that mlb and the Yankees are out to get him to kill his contract, selig was done with him. If he gets banned for life, there's nothing his lawyers can do, his word is god when it comes to that.
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MLB Suspends 12 more for PEDs
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"best interests of baseball" clause has a mixed record of being held up in court
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...3180405_1_fay-vincent-interests-commissioners
It would be wonderful but I don't know if he has found a new source yet
Maybe, but once that hammer is dropped, he's done no mater if it sticks or not.
Roids don't improve your bat speed and if he sucks, it'll be because he can't see major league pitching anymore. I am sick of people trying to say Alex needed roids to be great.
Even at this age, he is still more talented than most players and he has to summon all his professional pride to make Selig and the haters eat shit
I don't think he gives a shit as long as they pay his contract in the end. At least if you believe the stories that MLB has been putting out there the last few weeks
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
...what? Of course steroids do improve your bat speed. That's absurd.
I think this claim is incredibly dubious and not particularly relevant. There is a lot to Alex's game beyond bat speed.
I have not, and never would say that. Steroids are not magic. You still need to put the time in the gym and have raw talent. It is far more ridiculous to say the steroids did not help though
I'm not sure what this means, but I do think the Yankees adventures at 3rd base this year have highlighted just how good A-Rod is even in decline
It would kill his contract also. He could sue to get it back, but I doubt he would get it. Arod has burned too many bridges and I'm sure MLB has a vault full of shit on him now that would make it almost impossible to win. Arod is like the Bin Laden of MLB, they are all just gunning for him at this point.
Pete should be in the Hall. MLB's attempts to forget Pete are laughable at best and embarrassing at most. Fay Vincent blamed Pete for Bart Giamatti's death and denied Pete's request for reinstatement. Selig is even worse, as Pete's reinstatement is "under review". Pete isn't going to get a chance to get into the HOF until Selig leaves.
BruiserBear
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Some people are still in complete denial about this stuff.
Ninja Scooter
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The Commisioner and the MLB has no control over who gets into the Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame has independently decided that they will not induct anyone who is on the MLB's banned list. The way I understand it, Major League Baseball can't say "okay we will let Pete Rose back into baseball, but only so that he can be in the Hall of Fame".
We both know that that is a crock of shit and an extremely weak excuse. The MLB has complete control over Pete's situation. Pete would be on the ballot next year Selig were to give Pete the ok to come back tomorrow. The writers are the biggest collection of spineless douches, and many of them have made statements in the vein of "... Pete will get on the ballot when he gets reinstated." They have no balls to cross Bud.
To the bolded part, in a way they can. They can reinstate him but still prevent him from participation in some way with the game. They could forbid him from ever coaching or owning a team. There is a lot they can prevent Pete from doing.
Dog food is delicious
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The worst part about the writers is that they've decided that they're judge, jury, and executioner. Mike Piazza and Jeff Bagwell should have been first-ballot HOF if not for the writers deciding that they wanted to "take a stand".
Ninja Scooter
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But reinstating Pete means he can be involved in baseball in every capacity. Which is what he wants. He wants to try and get back into the game and make money off of it. But he bet on baseball and the Major Leagues, rightly so, don't want him anywhere near any team or front office. Pete Rose doesn't give a fuck about the Hall of Fame. Bud Selig can reinstate him. It's not his job to decide who is and isn't in the Hall of Fame.
Aren't there pretty significant rumors that Piazza used?
Ninja Scooter
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Which is why I hope the PA puts Bud's ass in check re: A-Rod's suspension.
A writer once saw him without his shirt off and noticed bacne. The BBWA are fuckwads.
Ninja Scooter
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Yeah but so have the owners, which Selig represents. They were all complicit in it. MLBPA is by far the strongest in professional american sports. The NBAPA and NFLPA are are charmin soft in comparison.
Dog food is delicious
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The smoking gun was always Bacne, but there has never been any proof of anything.
Mr. Enigma
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All the players pretty much agree.
Eric Byrnes (and I'm sure others have said this too) said the real way to fix this issue is to allow the teams to void contracts of players who get suspended for this stuff. Too many people are tempted to use this stuff in the Arb2 and Arb3 years to land a fat contract or extension.
Unless your team mate is one of those on the list and can help your team win, etc. Then they're your best friend!
As much as I like hitting players in the wallet, teams should be accountable to an extent too instead of letting them get free of the contract.
MLB really couldn't make money from Pete, so he's banned for life. The PED cheaters on the other hand, MLB can still make money from, so they let them back in knowing there was a strong chance of repeat offenders.
MLB is trying to finally grow a spine when it comes to PED users. Cheating is cheating, be it betting or using PEDs. Cheating to influence one game is just as bad as cheating to influence entire seasons. MLB needs to bring the hammer down hard across the board. Any cheating discovered should result in an immediate expulsion from the game. That is the only choice left for the MLB to salvage any dignity they have left.
I don't think they're trying to grow a spine at all. Unless your name is A-Rod, cheating is likely still a good career move. You take your 50 days and turn your juiced performance into a big contract. MLB is trying to puff out their chest and create an illusion that they're cracking down when they're really not. Just ignore that their testing regime failed to catch any of these guys, okay? I'm sure it is only happening in Miami. Oh, and SF too but that's it, really
blame space
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this is the Indians' year
Zombie James
Banned
So he wasn't suspended?
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http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013...ough-2014-in-biogenesis-case-appeal-expected/
What a crock of shit.
Mr.Awesome
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His suspension wouldn't start until Thursday anyways, so he would have played tonight.
DeaconKnowledge
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Really sick and fucking tired of hearing people applaud Selig and MLB for their hard stance on PED's.
The ONLY reason any of this is going down is because of this:
Congress making Selig look like a bumbling old grandpa who's in no control of the sport he presides over. Selig did nothing when Mcgwire and Sosa were crushing balls. Now he wants to appear hard on cheaters, so naturally he picks A-Rod to bear the weight. It's bullshit.
The ONLY reason any of this is going down is because of this:
Congress making Selig look like a bumbling old grandpa who's in no control of the sport he presides over. Selig did nothing when Mcgwire and Sosa were crushing balls. Now he wants to appear hard on cheaters, so naturally he picks A-Rod to bear the weight. It's bullshit.
Ninja Scooter
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or force them to play for the Mets.
Or the Astros, where they will fade into obscurity...
weekend_warrior
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The best thing MLB can do to substantially reduce PED use is to include a clause in all contracts that let the team void them if a player tests positive or can be connected to the purchase of PED's.
And going forward they need to decide if they're going to recognize the records of players connected with PED's, because this "asterisk this and that" bullshit is stupid.
They have already ignored Pete's record (except when it suits them), so I doubt they would recognize the PED stats...
entremet
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Really sick and fucking tired of hearing people applaud Selig and MLB for their hard stance on PED's.
The ONLY reason any of this is going down is because of this:
Congress making Selig look like a bumbling old grandpa who's in no control of the sport he presides over. Selig did nothing when Mcgwire and Sosa were crushing balls. Now he wants to appear hard on cheaters, so naturally he picks A-Rod to bear the weight. It's bullshit.
Yep. And Congress was out of bounds with those hearings as well. Waste of taxpayer money too. Selig is a disaster.
DeaconKnowledge
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That will never happen. First off, it's too easy a backdoor for teams who are stupid with money. Guy underperforming? Just catch him with PED's and void his contract! No players league in any sport would ever agree to that.
Besides, MLB (or any of the 4 major leagues....you think NHLers aren't juicing?) doesn't want to catch these guys. They just want to appear tough so as to not piss off the government...again. The players make the league its cheddar. They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them unless they have no other choice.
Yeah, let's just ignore all the other players who passed the piss poor (pun intended) test, but didn't deal with biogenesis.
What does that have to do with the 12 who accepted the 50 game penalty?
They didn't fail a drug test. Them being guilty only reinforces his point that it highlights the failure of MLB's testing program. They only got caught because of a disgruntled employee. What aren't you getting here?
So because there are still players who are getting around the testing means that MLB shouldn't go over those that are found to have cheated thanks to other means? I am not expecting MLB to get 100% of the players that cheat. As long as one player does it, I don't care how the evidence comes to light, I want that player suspended/banned.
Thankfully more players are coming out against PED's and those that use them. I'd like to have a 2 times and you're gone policy but that's probably not gonna happen for a long time. I couldn't care less that Selig and friends were making money hand over fist during the late 90s/early 2000s. Selig is a prick, and? So are the players that cheat.
evil solrac v3.0
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they weren't tested for drugs, they didn't fail anything. they (MLB) violated the CBA.
Really? Well if they didn't fail anything and if MLB didn't have any evidence then the 12 obviously just accepted a 50 game suspension for no reason. Obviously.
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