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Hey, how come Sony didn't invest in any big 3rd party exclusives?
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Psycho_Mantis
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I hear what you're saying, but IMO, Sony should have locked up more devs like Platinum and Valhalla tbh. I need/want more Japanese games on my Japnese indigenous console.
Can't leave guys likeout in the cold man. What you playing at Sony?
How about you wait till the Japanese specific PS4 conference and TGS....you know where everyone expects them to announce the Japanese games.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Because they have reliable and extremely talented first party studios up the ass? Why would they pay out the butt for exclusive 3'rd party games when they can just pump more into their great first party?
The only reason MS is buying up all these exclusives is because they don't have much of a fucking choice. *shrugs*
The only reason MS is buying up all these exclusives is because they don't have much of a fucking choice. *shrugs*
When the devs feel they have something amazing to show. I believe Yoshida said such.
Which is an even more meaningless number without some context (timeframe etc.). It may be, relatively, a completely unspectacular number.
For reference the total EDD R&D budget (Xbox + Windows Phone) last year $1.1bn, on a revenue of $8.9bn. Game revenue at Sony was circa $7bn with a R&D budget of...? Well, you'll have to fill in that blank. But I'm not seeing a likely disparity in budget based on corporate overlord coffers being suggested by some posters.
And of course, things can change, Xbox could get access to capital or get leniency on profit margins to drive more development expenditure. But in terms of their relative places in the over-arching corporate pecking order, I would say Playstation is in more of a 'pet' position right now than Xbox...
Diablo Rosso
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Bayonetta is a Sega IP. I knew they wouldn't accept it but I was just wondering if Sega approached Sony after canning it themselves.
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Deleted member 125677
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"Biggest and best line-up of first party studios" could be measured in a lot of other ways than metacritic scores of games put out.
Like number and size of studios, number of games put out, sales of those games and how the games are received.
Is there some area of hardware sales where Sony is slipping or where they need to pay money for outside developers to release specific titles to make their platform more attractive to buy? Looking at lifetime sales, the only Playstation branded machines that failed to sell well were the PSP and PSV.
NemesisPrime
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Not like Sony had money to burn...
And where is Sony lacking in those departments outside of the handheld space?
schwabdizzle
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Here is another thing I wonder about the MS and EA deal they seem to have going on. Lets say that MS never did a policy reversal. They decided to come into the gen just like Sony with the used games and DRM. Would they of landed the same deal with EA or not? Grant it they paid a lot for TitanFall(well not a lot to what MS makes).
3rdamention
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Yep, They have their Ace First Party Studios, they have invested a lot of time and effort into creating positive relationships with Independent Developers, they have quite a few F2P games that will be available at launch.
They haven't really had to invest in 3rd Party Games. Imagine if Microsoft DIDN'T invest in the games listed in the OP. What else would they have at launch? No RYSE, NO Dead Rising 3, that would be awful
I think that answers why Microsoft has done what they have done, and why Sony hasn't.
Nice.
Nightengale
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Your thoughts mean nothing without understanding how revenues + investments.
I don't know, if the PS3 era proved anything to Sony, it's that there's no such thing as 3rd-party loyalty, and even the largest amount of $$$ could only gained you timed exclusivity.
They're better off trying to publish games, or invest in more first-party.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Perfect analogy.
ambar_hitman
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One 3rd party exclusive is enough.
Agent.
Agent.
SwiftDeath
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Hmm if MS had the DRM policy as part of the deal with EA for Titanfall then surely the removal of it would negate the contract?
I think the titanfall exclusive is a very very large amount of that "billion" dollars personally
And that looks very likely to be a timed exclusive
Money could've been spent making other games at the same time imo
Andronicus
Banned
nailed it
iamshadowlark
Banned
This dissolved into such a weird conversation and it reminds you of how little some people here understand corporate level finances.
Sony doesn't invest in third party exclusives for the same reason Nintendo doesn't. And this is the way that both companies have operated for years before MS was in the market.
It has nothing to do with "but but they don't have the money". Do people even realize how much money they threw at PS3?
Sony doesn't invest in third party exclusives for the same reason Nintendo doesn't. And this is the way that both companies have operated for years before MS was in the market.
It has nothing to do with "but but they don't have the money". Do people even realize how much money they threw at PS3?
LukasTaves
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Why not both? Didn't Ms said at E3 that they also spent 1 billion dollars creating/acquiring their own studios?
Keeping everything in house is not enough, imo. Without catering to external developers Sony wouldn't have Demon Souls, Little Big Planet, Heavy Rain, Flower, Journey and the list goes on and on... And, these games are far more interesting to me than the games Sony regular studios have output this gen, so I'm glad they did.
I doubt I would ever see a spiritual successor of Panzer Dragoon if Ms wasn't investing into getting the game on board too.
So, imo, trying to get new and more exciting games far outweighs the benefits of only strengthening your own first party studios, even if it means eventually other platforms will get the game, which let's face it: Is a metric that is only useful to gloat in console warz.
Yep, it's cheaper (& easier to control the costs) to produce your own 1st & 2nd party exclusives than to moneyhat 3rd party exclusives.
For example, MS paid $50 Million to moneyhat timed DLC exclusive for GTA4 & Michael Pachter predicts that MS paid $50 Million to keep Titanfall off PS4 & PS3 for a year. $50 Million is enough to fund 2 in-house 1st party AAA exclusives.
It's just makes more financial sense to produce your own 1st & 2nd party exclusives than to moneyhat 3rd party exclusives.
metareferential
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Sony spent possibly more on plastic surgery on the wife, that is. xD
Jokes aside, gamers will always see 3rd party exclusives as a bad thing. Why? Money.
MS prefers one night stands while Sony likes to go steady ;p
Synless
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The only real permanent exclusives.
schwabdizzle
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Well they paid for Titanfall(I am wondering how much myself), but I am talking the other deals like the Timed BF content, Peggle 2, ad Garden Warfare.
Nightengale
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Sony is doing both. Ready at Dawn is developing a AAA-game, they've got 5 smaller first-party games like Rime via co-development with smaller devs.
The big difference is timing and priority. Sony has no drought with their current first-party schedule, so they have no need to publish many AAA-titles from 3rd-parties when their own first-party can do it.
1 billion on exclusive games/content/etc, which also includes the creation of studios/games/publishing/etc.
Itagaki hates Sony, they can't do nothing about it.I hear what you're saying, but IMO, Sony should have locked up more devs like Platinum and Valhalla tbh. I need/want more Japanese games on my Japnese indigenous console.
Can't leave guys likeout in the cold man. What you playing at Sony?
Green Yoshi
Member
Perhaps Sony will show some exclusive games at the Tokyo Game Show. Onimusha would be nice.
was it ever explained why?
I don't think they will have much but Yakuza is a given for sure though.
LvlNinety9
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Here is how I see it. Third party shouldn't be sought after to create your exclusive titles. That's why you have your first party studios and such. All this says to me is that MS isn't as confident in their first party studios making those blockbuster AAA titles and wants to rely on third party devs to do the work for them. It's like everyone else has said here. Eventually third party will make it to your competitor. MS should be investing in first party like Sony and Nintendo have been doing and let third party titles do their thing.The consumer is going to get the title on their console of choice regardless.
SCEJ collaborates a lot with 3rd party devs, ND are a premier developer with 2 teams, SSM collaborates and have enough teams to tackle multiple internal projects as well. Sucker Punch were recently purchased and are working on the most hyped PS4 exclusive, Guerrilla and MM are pretty good and Sony has a fantastic exclusive relationship with 3rd party devs like Quantic and RAD.
My point is Sony doesn't need to buy exclusives from 3rd parties.
My point is Sony doesn't need to buy exclusives from 3rd parties.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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1) This is all doubt because some of that money could of went to securing these third parties.
2) These are all second party devs, not third party. With thatgamecompany officially being third party, having that good relationship means that Sony doesn't need to moneyhat to get content.
3) This is what you get from First Party studios and indies because they are the only one ready to take those risks. Third party rarely take risks moving outside what they normally make. That's why majority of the third party games coming out are either a sequel or a safe genre such as FPS, Sports, Racing, Open world third person, MMO Shooters etc. Your entire comment makes absolutely no sense if you see where the real creativity among games that current gen produced that were NOT from third parties.
MS is dropping a ton of money into their first parties this gen supposedly.
I had some second thoughts about doing this, but what the hell? I don't think it will matter if it's like this. Sony has exclusive games coming from the following:
- Sega
- Capcom
- Level-5
- Namco Bandai
- Lockstarter (lol)
- Lazyeye (lol)
- Warner Bros.
- Koei
Some others too but will not say those just yet. This isn't including partnerships which wouldn't really be third party. It's okay though guys, Sony doesn't have any money. Poor people for a reason. Lockstarter? Who has even heard of them? Exactly.
Having said that, the larger focus is on improving their first party teams and taking things from there.
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Someone in the list who shouldn't be. Removed for now...
- Sega
- Capcom
- Level-5
- Namco Bandai
- Lockstarter (lol)
- Lazyeye (lol)
- Warner Bros.
- Koei
Some others too but will not say those just yet. This isn't including partnerships which wouldn't really be third party. It's okay though guys, Sony doesn't have any money. Poor people for a reason. Lockstarter? Who has even heard of them? Exactly.
Having said that, the larger focus is on improving their first party teams and taking things from there.
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Someone in the list who shouldn't be. Removed for now...
TheJollyCorner
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captscience
Member
Agreed, and thankfully Sony is continuing that policy. Rime, Everybody's Gone to Rapture and Hohokum are only a small number of third party developed, Sony published games that they are fostering and presumably offering dev support to.
This strategy can still be seen as different from Microsoft's however. Sony invests in small teams, often with the view to purchase them in the future to become flagship 1st party devs. See Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Media Molecule etc... Microsoft seems much more willing to spend money on simply securing exclusivity windows.
I don't think so. He gave several reasons for his lack of games on Sony platform (Xbox more powerful than the PS2, 360 more dev frindly than the PS3, DS just because he wanted to make a game for his daughter) but it's obvious that he just dislikes the company for some reason that only he knows.
Septimus Prime
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No surprise there. These guys don't even work with MS at all.
Vanillalite
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How much did Sony throw to Activision for the exclusive Destiny content?
They still count!
Even though they're the equivalent of Ryse, which is to say shit.
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