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[nib95]

The jaggies are there, but I think some of the IQ impressions from some were predictably exaggerated. But still, hope they smoothen out before launch either way.

In any case, from this video by TeamVVV, the best takeaway for me was the handling dynamics. Just looks incredibly fun. Can't believe how quickly he adjusted, and how well the vehicle seemed to respond to fine tuning drifts and traction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asuVlp9FWyU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEvr879Hns1Ccb_gVaV7-5w

Pretty excited.

 

[DemonCleaner]

the genre where aliasing hurts the most.

pls fix.

 

[Blimblim]

Thanks Rushy & Blimblim. Looking forward to downloading that higher quality footage from Gamersyde. Why the hell don't we have more sites uploading higher bitrate footage is beyond me.

It's all a matter of costs really. Gamersyde, even with the Neogaf links, is still a very small site, and with the very lost costs of bandwidth here in France I can afford the traffic spikes without too much problems. But if we were the size of IGN or GT or insert big huge site here, the bandwidth costs would be completely prohibitive.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

It's all a matter of costs really. Gamersyde, even with the Neogaf links, is still a very small site, and with the very lost costs of bandwidth here in France I can afford the traffic spikes without too much problems. But if we were the size of IGN or GT or insert big huge site here, the bandwidth costs would be completely prohibitive.

We really appreciate it, Blim.

 

[travisbickle]

I've been hearing how "rough" this game was looking but after clicking on the links from the previous page I was pleasantly surprised. Granted, I'm no graphic whore, but I think driveclub's shortcomings have been greatly exaggerated. I look forward to trying the PS+ version.

Having been playing GT5 a lot recently, I think people are put off by how much is going on in Driveclub.

A lot of tracks are very plain in GT, especially the real racing venues.

 

[mrklaw]

It's all a matter of costs really. Gamersyde, even with the Neogaf links, is still a very small site, and with the very lost costs of bandwidth here in France I can afford the traffic spikes without too much problems. But if we were the size of IGN or GT or insert big huge site here, the bandwidth costs would be completely prohibitive.

So you survive by staying niche?

 

[Blimblim]

So you survive by staying niche?

Well considering how much money we lost this year, I wouldn't say we survive as is. The overhead of running the site as a company here in France is too much (it basically doubles our costs just to pay taxes/accounting), so we'll most likely have to change to a non-profit status by the end of the year (not that we ever made any profit, mind you).
But yeah, video quality is basically the only reason people outside of our small community come to the site, and it's something that will make a lot of sense financially.

 

[p3tran]

A lot of tracks are very plain in GT, especially the real racing venues.

thats not as bad as you make it seem. racing venues usually are known for the track itself, not for the beautiful surroundings or the flying balloons in the sky. many of the tracks started their "career" as a plain piece of land, that tarmac and infrastructures were built upon it. natural beauty is usually never a prerequisite when choosing where to build your track

I also see this complaint in forza threads, but it really is a non-complaint.

 

[DBT85]

Just FYI, I asked Rushy if we could get a download version not compressed to shit by YouTube, he simply replied "working on it".

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

Wish id not been playing pc games a lot lately, that 30fps is wounding me

 

[Razgreez]

Downloaded the 1080p gamersyde vid... jebus rice that looks terrible. Surely the sharpness of the panels must have been set too high. Looks like 720p, or lower, upscaled to 1080p without any AA

 

[uncharted86]

Just FYI, I asked Rushy if we could get a download version not compressed to shit by YouTube, he simply replied "working on it".

Blim already confirmed it will be up at Gamersyde today.

Downloaded the 1080p gamersyde vid... jebus rice that looks terrible. Surely the sharpness of the panels must have been set too high. Looks like 720p, or lower, upscaled to 1080p without any AA

What video did you download? These 4 direct feed 1080p videos are not up yet. Only on youtube.

 

[Kaako]

It's all a matter of costs really. Gamersyde, even with the Neogaf links, is still a very small site, and with the very lost costs of bandwidth here in France I can afford the traffic spikes without too much problems. But if we were the size of IGN or GT or insert big huge site here, the bandwidth costs would be completely prohibitive.

I see, makes sense. Appreciate all you guys do and thanks again!

 

[MaxwellParrish]

What video did you download? These 4 direct feed 1080p videos are not up yet. Only on youtube.

Are all the 4 facebook videos up on youtube in in 1080p? Can somebody post a link? I've found only this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-pDSDfzNYc

 

[mrklaw]

Just FYI, I asked Rushy if we could get a download version not compressed to shit by YouTube, he simply replied "working on it".

er, Blim has them, will be up today

 

[Metalmurphy]

Are all the 4 facebook videos up on youtube in in 1080p? Can somebody post a link? I've found only this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-pDSDfzNYc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncmd7t2UkdM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUg_JwOXFtu3iEtbr4ttXm9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5fPprh_UFM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUg_JwOXFtu3iEtbr4ttXm9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-pDSDfzNYc&feature=c4-overview&list=UUg_JwOXFtu3iEtbr4ttXm9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjljyomdG8I&feature=c4-overview&list=UUg_JwOXFtu3iEtbr4ttXm9g

 

[EmptySpace]

jebus rice that looks terrible.

tickle EmptySpace more. lighting looks awesome, especially reflections. must have been super hard to pull off. all those objects and shadows and lights bouncing off.

 

[Shaneus]

I just noticed something during one of those videos:

OH MY GOD THE TREE IS CLIPPING IN THE CAR. I CAN'T BELIEVE THE FINAL GAME WILL BE LIKE THIS BECAUSE ALL THESE VIDEOS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT WILL LOOK LIKE. FUCK.

 

[DBT85]

er, Blim has them, will be up today

ah ok.

 

[Razgreez]

Blim already confirmed it will be up at Gamersyde today.



What video did you download? These 4 direct feed 1080p videos are not up yet. Only on youtube.

I understand that i've not yet seen direct feed footage but i didnt expect the offscreen footage to look that poor aliasing wise

 

[aygomyownroad]

I just noticed something during one of those videos:


OH MY GOD THE TREE IS CLIPPING IN THE CAR. I CAN'T BELIEVE THE FINAL GAME WILL BE LIKE THIS BECAUSE ALL THESE VIDEOS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT WILL LOOK LIKE. FUCK.

Pre Alpha Build. Don't panic...

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

I don't buy it, they aren't going exclusively digital for PS+ so discs are going to have to be pressed at some point, they can't keep parading around a pre-alpha build and expect people not to be worried. They should be getting near completion at this point....

 

[red731]

Pre Alpha Build. Don't panic...

I have bad news about your sDetector

 

[orioto]

I just noticed something during one of those videos:

OH MY GOD THE TREE IS CLIPPING IN THE CAR. I CAN'T BELIEVE THE FINAL GAME WILL BE LIKE THIS BECAUSE ALL THESE VIDEOS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT WILL LOOK LIKE. FUCK.

There is still plenty of pop up in the video.

Also this part of the track is horrible with those ugly little white bushes that look totally out of place and copied and pasted...

 

[Shaneus]

I have bad news about your sDetector

You're kidding me!

 

[Mascot]

I welcome the day when it is illegal for developers to have any music playing in a driving game while the car is being driven, if only so THEY DON'T FUCKING DO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME A GAMEPLAY VIDEO IS RELEASED.

 

[Sickbean]

I welcome the day when it is illegal for developers to have any music playing in a driving game while the car is being driven, if only so THEY DON'T FUCKING DO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME A GAMEPLAY VIDEO IS RELEASED.

I know, let us hear the engines ffs.

 

[bud]

I know, let us hear the engines ffs.

HOW FAST DO YOU WANNA GO

 

[Canis lupus]

Still not up on Gamersyde -_-

 

[Yoshichan]

Why no new thread for the new videos?

 

[Addnan]

Why no new thread for the new videos?

Think they are waiting for the uncompressed footage before making thread.

 

[Yoshichan]

Think they are waiting for the uncompressed footage before making thread.

And when's that?

 

[uncharted86]

And when's that?

Later today when they get uploaded to Gamersyde.

 

[uncharted86]

This was to be expected, but I don't think we've had proper confirmation of manual gears until now.

If you come from a background of playing arcade-racing games, like I do, then you’ll have a lot of fun with DRIVECLUB. The first thing I learned is that you definitely need to use the brakes, which I wasn’t used to, but it’s really easy to get to grips with. It’s incredibly satisfying to get a feel for some of the world’s most exciting cars and there’s a lot of depth and individuality to driving each of the cars.

If your pedigree is simulation-racing games – or you’ve ever driven these cars for real, like our Design Director Paul [Rushy] Rustchynsky – then you’ll also be happy with how DRIVECLUB feels. He tells me you’ll instantly get to grips with each vehicle’s unique handling characteristics and you’ll be able to apply advanced driving techniques like ‘trail braking’ and ‘feathering the throttle’.

You can also choose to drive with manual gear transmission and we’re working on support for steering wheels to enhance your driving immersion too.

DRIVECLUB: New 1080p Videos

Sorry for double post.

 

[Shaneus]

I welcome the day when it is illegal for developers to have any music playing in a driving game while the car is being driven, if only so THEY DON'T FUCKING DO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME A GAMEPLAY VIDEO IS RELEASED.

Same. I find it hard to believe that many people still listen to music when playing driving games, unless they're *super* arcadey.

On that note, what I heard of the engine/environment noise in chase mode was great. Felt a little more like it was a camera chasing a car with bits of road and environment noise and less like it was just the sound of a car without any of the sounds you'd expect.

 

[Addnan]

Same. I find it hard to believe that many people still listen to music when playing driving games, unless they're *super* arcadey.

On that note, what I heard of the engine/environment noise in chase mode was great. Felt a little more like it was a camera chasing a car with bits of road and environment noise and less like it was just the sound of a car without any of the sounds you'd expect.

Gran Turismo could do with more music.

 

[cebri.one]

With 32 ROPS there won't be any problems with aliasing that's for sure.

 

[paradise_circus]

With 32 ROPS there won't be any problems with aliasing that's for sure.

What do rops do?

 

[megashock5]

Same. I find it hard to believe that many people still listen to music when playing driving games, unless they're *super* arcadey.

On that note, what I heard of the engine/environment noise in chase mode was great. Felt a little more like it was a camera chasing a car with bits of road and environment noise and less like it was just the sound of a car without any of the sounds you'd expect.

Depends on the game for me. I left it on in Horizon because it was more arcadey and there was some decent music. Turned it off in FM4 so I could concentrate, and because I hated the music.

 

[BruiserBear]

With 32 ROPS there won't be any problems with aliasing that's for sure.

You'd think not. Seriously.

 

[_machine]

You'd think not. Seriously.

I'm not 100% on this (Rushy could confirm/deny), but DriveClub seems to be running on a deferred renderer (or uses some form of deferred shading) and that means dealing with aliasing is a lot trickier than on a forward renderer, especially with dynamic timescale and lighting. MSAA is very expensive and not as effective as it with a forward renderer, SSAA is expensive and FXAA blurs the image and still won't be enough. We could still see some improvements, but I'm expecting FM5 to have better IQ due to it's static lighting and fixed conditions.

 

[cebri.one]

You'd think not. Seriously.

Anti-aliasing

Anti-aliasing is any technology that is designed to minimize aliasing and temporal aliasing artifcats.

Anti-aliasing is relevant in a 3D graphics rendering pipeline because part of the pipeline handles graphics as geometry of essentially infinite resolution. In a late stage in the pipeline, known as ROP, Raster Operations, the color of each pixel on the screen is determined based on the geometry. It is in or after this stage that any anti-aliasing is performed.

http://www.dahlsys.com/misc/antialias/

 

[BruiserBear]

I'm not 100% on this (Rushy could confirm/deny), but DriveClub seems to be running on a deferred renderer (or uses some form of deferred shading) and that means dealing with aliasing is a lot trickier than on a forward renderer, especially with dynamic timescale and lighting. MSAA is very expensive and not as effective as it with a forward renderer, SSAA is expensive and FXAA blurs the image and still won't be enough. We could still see some improvements, but I'm expecting FM5 to have better IQ due to it's static lighting and fixed conditions.

Whelp, that just tells me someone made some bad programming choices, because nothing about this game's visuals leave me really impressed, and it's got aliasing issues, and it's not even running at a solid 30fps according to those who've played it. The words "shit" and "show" come to mind, and no I'm not hating on the game. I'm just being honest about it's current state, and unfortunately there is very little programming time left for launch titles like this.

Any game that is coming out on November 15th is going to be going into certification in about a month. That means the improvements stop there. It's just testing and bug fixing.

 

[mrklaw]

I don't buy it, they aren't going exclusively digital for PS+ so discs are going to have to be pressed at some point, they can't keep parading around a pre-alpha build and expect people not to be worried. They should be getting near completion at this point....

november 15th, possible day one patch? They may not need to be gold until end of October. Plenty of time yet

 

[MaxwellParrish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncmd7t2UkdM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUg_JwOXFtu3iEtbr4ttXm9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5fPprh_UFM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUg_JwOXFtu3iEtbr4ttXm9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-pDSDfzNYc&feature=c4-overview&list=UUg_JwOXFtu3iEtbr4ttXm9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjljyomdG8I&feature=c4-overview&list=UUg_JwOXFtu3iEtbr4ttXm9g

Sorry for being late but thanks for the links
I'm starting to think this is going to be somewhat similar to Motorstom at the launch of Ps3: a game impressive in itself, but a little barebones and lacking that extra polish that made lot of reviewer severly underscoring it (in my opinion,obviously)

 

[DrDamn]

Any game that is coming out on November 15th is going to be going into certification in about a month. That means the improvements stop there. It's just testing and bug fixing.

We have no info on when this code we have footage of was from though - only that Evolution consider it 35% complete and alpha. It would have needed to be split off the main branch for demo creation purposes a good while ago. So what we see could be code from 3 months or more ago. That gives a lot more time for things to progress.

 

[EmptySpace]

Whelp, that just tells me someone made some bad programming choices, because nothing about this game's visuals leave me really impressed, and it's got aliasing issues, and it's not even running at a solid 30fps according to those who've played it. The words "shit" and "show" come to mind, and no I'm not hating on the game. I'm just being honest about it's current state, and unfortunately there is very little programming time left for launch titles like this.

Any game that is coming out on November 15th is going to be going into certification in about a month. That means the improvements stop there. It's just testing and bug fixing.

1) bad programming? EmptySpace doubts bruiserbear even knows how hard it is to pull off dynamic lighting.

2) "alpha code" =/= "current state". the words "reading" and "comprehension" come to mind.

 

[Blimblim]

Just got the download links for the files. They are quite big, to say the least, so it will take some time, and then I'll reencode them to bigh bitrate mp4, so expect something in 2 to 3 hours, maybe a bit less.

 

[Yoshichan]

Hype!!! Thanks Blim!

 

[flyinpiranha]

This was to be expected, but I don't think we've had proper confirmation of manual gears until now.



DRIVECLUB: New 1080p Videos

Sorry for double post.

Great news! I assume by "manual transmission" they mean clutch support? The new Mad Catz wheel doesn't even have a clutch (not that I'll be purchasing a new one).

I REALLY hope they get the Fanatecs working. Besides GTA V, this is my most hyped game coming until 2014.

While some of the videos are rough, I think the core is there. The lighting, the sense of speed, everything looks great and I'm sure will be improved on.

The one issue I have is how much "stuff" is going on, on the screen all the time. I really hope there are options to turn that off and just drive. 60" HDTV with a wheel setup and very minimalist UI = Racing Heaven.

Just got the download links for the files. They are quite big, to say the least, so it will take some time, and then I'll reencode them to bigh bitrate mp4, so expect something in 2 to 3 hours, maybe a bit less.

Awesome!