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Drake - Nothing Was the Same |OT| - Leader of the New School

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Discotheque

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Darko said:
Didn't Aubrey give him a whole song on his album when he was basically unknown by the masses? Not to mention a feature on Kendricks most sucessful single? I'd be mad too.


Im just wondering why he wouldnt be upset that Big Sean said he would "out rap" him on verses, but mad about what Kendrick said.
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because he knows big sean could never outrap him. kendrick is actual competition. though i believe drake is the clear leader of the new school. even if it's not the one everyone wants.

kendrick's more talented but i think drake has put out better projects so far. (although gkmc far better than this)
 
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iamshadowlark

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enzo_gt said:
Desperate for press. Means nothing, he'll still dap up Kendrick Lamar while being acutely aware Kendrick is making the entire rest of the game or at least the "new school" look real bad right now, including Drake.

Even if you construe those lyrics as a response to Kendrick (which is a stretch IMO, Drake has been talking similar shit for a hot minute), it's a pretty weak response with no impact. Drake is still mailing his lunch every day to TDE offices like everyone else.
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How is kendrick killing drake again? By getting outshined on his own tracks? Winning grammies?

Kendrick on control is one of his weakest verses in a minute, it took the name dropping for it to become anything but a regular track.
 
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abstract alien

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Wait, people actually think Kendrick is killing Drake? I thought that was just hype and "I posted lol" type stuff.

iamshadowlark said:
How is kendrick killing drake again? By getting outshined on his own tracks? Winning grammies?

Kendrick on control is one of his weakest verses in a minute, it took the name dropping for it to become anything but a regular track.
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I still don't see what everyone saw in that verse. I mean, the execution was there, but it was just a bunch of word soup that contained a few really nice lines. Name drops get old on tracks, which is why I've never been a fan of them on any track that is trying to have it's own identity.
 
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ReMaKe

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That control verse was nasty. With or with out the name calling, those are some bars.

I can see where Drake is coming from though.
People tend to forget, before Kendrick went mainstream, it was drake who put them on tour with him (together with ASAP).
Back in the club paradise days.
A lot of people know of Kendrick/ASAP because of drake.

OT. Album is good.
I can see a 650k first week easily.
Definitely in the run for rap aoty.
I have it:

1.NWTS
2.WMWTSO
3.WOLF
4.DORIS
5.BORN SINNER

Of course, November 5th the lyrical king comes back.
 
IrishNinja

IrishNinja

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^2013 Em is not gonna deliver on that album's title, just a heads-up

iamshadowlark said:
How is kendrick killing drake again? By getting outshined on his own tracks?
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which track was that now?
also: no he's not "killing" drake, cause they very clearly run in different lanes. i don't particularly think drizzy's all that lyrical personally - he can paint a picture, but if you're trying to compare him to k-dot for some reason, for one thing, his range of content is crazy limited these days
 
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iamshadowlark

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ReMaKe said:
That control verse was nasty. With or with out the name calling, those are some bars.

k.
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It was pretty average to me. Until the chest thumpin came and I got a little excited.
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^2013 Em is not gonna deliver on that album's title, just a heads-up



which track was that now?
also: no he's not "killing" drake, cause they very clearly run in different lanes. i don't particularly think drizzy's all that lyrical personally - he can paint a picture, but if you're trying to compare him to k-dot for some reason, for one thing, his range of content is crazy limited these days
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Poetic Justice?
 
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IrishNinja

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iamshadowlark said:
Poetic Justice?
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2nd person to claim that in this thread, so i guess i can't say it's a first...i don't see it personally, maybe it was closer for some? again when i think "outshined" i think it should be pretty evident, like what kendrick did to sean, or uh, most people do on Jay-Z features these days, tragically (seriously, it bums me out when Ross and dudes manage it...nothing wrong with em, but you know, in jigga's prime i couldn'tve seen it, etc etc)
 
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ReMaKe

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IrishNinja said:
^2013 Em is not gonna deliver on that album's title, just a heads-up
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It'd be hard for any rapper to deliver. Arguably the best rap album ever. So I agree that thinking it'll be anywhere near MMLP is foolish.

However, I still see it doing better then NWTS in every way.

Drake had the better verse in poetic justice, he also got the better of everyone in fucking problems IMO.

Kendrick is a better lyricist though.
 
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MisterNegative

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Drake's verse on poetic justice was fucking solid. Kendrick is the better rapper but he's not killing Drake. IMO Cole is the one who needs to step his shit up and those 3 can run rap.

Want to see death on a track ?

Look at what 3 stacks did to rick ross on Sixteen and what he did to T.I on Sorry
 
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Grover Cleveland

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ReMaKe said:
That control verse was nasty. With or with out the name calling, those are some bars.

I can see where Drake is coming from though.
People tend to forget, before Kendrick went mainstream, it was drake who put them on tour with him (together with ASAP).
Back in the club paradise days.
A lot of people know of Kendrick/ASAP because of drake.
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I get all that, but I still don't see anything as a personal affront to Drake in those bars. Kendrick never said anything along the lines of "fuck Drake, I hate that ninja". Hell, he even said he had love for all of the dudes he mentioned, but he just wanted to be a better rapper. It's a challenge, not a diss like Drake seems to be taking it.

IrishNinja said:
^2013 Em is not gonna deliver on that album's title, just a heads-up
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I don't think MMLP2 will be anywhere close to the original, but I do think it will surprise people. I attribute the decline in Em's output in recent years more to a lack of focus and a lack of interest than a wholesale decline in skill. Put him in the right mood and he can still spit. I hope that having Rubin in the room will do that.

OT: After a couple of spins, NWTS is solid, not spectacular and a step back from TC IMO.

Take Care: 4.25/5
NWTS: 3.5/5
 
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overcast

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Kendrick's third verse on Poetic is much better than Drake's. I don't see Drake and Kendrick as in the same lane, but Drake is talking about his same old shit on Poetic Justice.

Drake is good for what he is, but Kendrick is leagues better as a rapper.

Drake keeps talking about how Kendrick's verse won't matter after a few days, here we are a month after and dude is still talking and keeping it relevant. LMAO.
 
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Kisaya

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Hold On, We're Going Home
Connect
The Language
305 To My City

These four were grouped up so nicely in the album and stood out a lot as each track was consistently good as the next. I have to give the album a few more listens to notice the others :B

edit: I really like All Me too. These are all great car jams ~_~ !!
 
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solarus

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Discotheque said:
because he knows big sean could never outrap him. kendrick is actual competition. though i believe drake is the clear leader of the new school. even if it's not the one everyone wants.

kendrick's more talented but i think drake has put out better projects so far. (although gkmc far better than this)
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Gkmc is a classic, the response from everyone in the hip hop world to that album was crazy, people rushing to crown the dude straight away. Section 80 was also solid and I like his other projects but maybe that's just me. Kendrick definitely has the album though.
 
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soundahfekz

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Kisaya said:
Hold On, We're Going Home
Connect
The Language305 To My City

These four were grouped up so nicely in the album and stood out a lot as each track was consistently good as the next. I have to give the album a few more listens to notice the others :B

edit: I really like All Me too. These are all great car jams ~_~ !!
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Yep. The language is the best beat on the album for sure
 
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flonty

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This is the first Drake album I bought. I like it so far. Hold on we're going home, furthest thing and worst behavior are my favourites. My AOTY depending on MMLP2
 
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DominoKid

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great article from Bomani Jones on all the problems Drake presents

Drake’s Nothing Was The Same is really good. Gotta start there, because otherwise zillions of teenagers will swarm every inbox I have. That generation is a sensitive bunch. But that’s not merely preventative. Even if Drake can’t sing, he's created a worthy album – it’s the god’s honest truth.

Good luck finding a better made album, with its flawless production, seamless transitions and top-notch rapping. It’s a testament to the value of letting one producer – Drake's chief collaborator Noah '40' – handle the lion’s share of the tracks. The consistency of time and place that this often brings, Drake can rap his ass off, and there’s no track he rhymes on -- when he rhymes -- that he doesn’t get handle. He’s clever, has a voice that jumps out on every track and has moments of amazing clarity. Anyone who says Drake is wack or can’t acknowledge the brilliance on NWTS is probably hating.

So why does this album get on my last nerve? Because, for the first time, I can legitimately say a big reason I can’t get with something is because it makes me feel old.
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DMeisterJ

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I'd hardly call that article great.

It's a same-y article that uses the same tired arguments against him, just with a fresh coat of paint.
 
IrishNinja

IrishNinja

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with all the talk about 40, i have to admit, i like boy1da's production on some tracks too, dont see his name come up much though

Grover Cleveland said:
I don't think MMLP2 will be anywhere close to the original, but I do think it will surprise people. I attribute the decline in Em's output in recent years more to a lack of focus and a lack of interest than a wholesale decline in skill. Put him in the right mood and he can still spit. I hope that having Rubin in the room will do that.
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i hope you're right (and that he's not just outta gas like 50) but how did you like Berzerk?

Ken Masters said:
Hold On, We're Going Home is up there with Get Lucky and Blurred Lines as catchiest single of the year
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its been said but Hold On almost has like a Lionel Richie feel to it...really, that track & Started from the Bottom were perfect calls for singles, in my mind
 
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XANDER CAGE

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I said it before, but I'll say it again: I'd be 100% on board if Drake went full 808s and just did a pop album in the vein of HOWGH.
 
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Rpgmonkey

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Really not getting what people see in Drake's Poetic Justice verse. Seemed like his usual topics with his usual flow. It's not bad, but if you've heard one Drake verse about giving a fine (East African) girl a taste of the lavish life, you've basically heard them all. Kendrick's second verse was much more clever and interesting.

Hold on We're Going Home has really grown on me.
 
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DragonKnight

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I like the album. Im not in love with it but i dont regret dropping the fifteen bucks for it. I like i think about seven songs. Prolly gonna go through tomorrow and delete the ones i dont like.

Ive been hearing a lot about this kendrick dude so i just downloaded good kid mad city. Ill give it a listen during my commute to work.
 
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Ken Masters

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IrishNinja said:
its been said but Hold On almost has like a Lionel Richie feel to it...really, that track & Started from the Bottom were perfect calls for singles, in my mind
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WIth Drake saying he wants to do a full R&B album in the future, I'd be 100% for it if this is the quality we are going to get


he said he wan't to make HOWCM for weddings, I can see that for sure, not raunchy, anyone can groove to it
 
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HiResDes

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Discotheque said:
because he knows big sean could never outrap him. kendrick is actual competition. though i believe drake is the clear leader of the new school. even if it's not the one everyone wants.

kendrick's more talented but i think drake has put out better projects so far. (although gkmc far better than this)
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This is false, Big Sean outraps him all the time, he did on All Me recently...And has been been basically a father to his style.
 
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CountBlack

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It's hard to say who got the better of who on a song like Poetic Justice.

The song is an ode to women, I don't feel like there would be any competition in the booth for a song like that.

On Fuckin Problems, Kendrick had the only verse that was memorable.
 
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Dreams-Visions

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I like the album for what it is, which I suppose is what Drake usually delivers: R&B rap.

That's what it is, and who he is. An R&B artist who can rap instead of sing.
 
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Onemic

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Album is good, not great.

I feel like the quality went sorta downhill after Wu-Tang Forever.

Dreams-Visions said:
I like the album for what it is, which I suppose is what Drake usually delivers: R&B rap.

That's what it is, and who he is. An R&B artist who can rap instead of sing.
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Yup, I've come to accept this over time.
 
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Dereck

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Does anyone know the source of this gif?

drake-wave-stage-back.gif
 
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Etrian Oddity

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Now that I've had a little time to dwell on the album and make comparisons, while this is a good album I don't think it has near as much impact as Take Care. Maybe it's rose-tinted glasses and the great memories of my life that Take Care happened to be a soundtrack to (man that sounds soft), I think NWtS didn't quite succeed in following the "wow" factor of TC. TC in a way was an era-defining album, in terms of the contemporary/mainstream hiphop/r&b genre.
 
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ReMaKe

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Grover Cleveland said:
I get all that, but I still don't see anything as a personal affront to Drake in those bars. Kendrick never said anything along the lines of "fuck Drake, I hate that ninja". Hell, he even said he had love for all of the dudes he mentioned, but he just wanted to be a better rapper. It's a challenge, not a diss like Drake seems to be taking it.
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That's the thing. I don't think Drake got mad cause his name was mentioned, it was the way it was mentioned.

"I heard the barbershops be in great debates all the time
Bout who's the best MC? Kendrick, Jigga and Nas
Eminem, Andre 3000, the rest of y'all
New ninjas just new ninjas, don't get involved"

With that statement he's saying that he's better then Drake and the rest of the "New ninjas".

These are the people he mentioned.

"Jermaine Cole, Big KRIT, Wale
Pusha T, Meek Millz, A$AP Rocky, Drake
Big Sean, Jay Electron', Tyler, Mac Miller"

Do you really think Drake belongs in that group.
As much as we may hate to admit, Drake is the king of the new age.

OT- Songs I like the most are Pound Cake - Too Much - Tuscan Leather. Seems I'm with the minority on that;.
 
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Ken Masters

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Dreams-Visions said:
I like the album for what it is, which I suppose is what Drake usually delivers: R&B rap.

That's what it is, and who he is. An R&B artist who can rap instead of sing.
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He's an R&B artist who can rap instead of sing? This is the new cool way to trivialize his talents? Let's just ignore he has the best R&B song this year with hold on we're going home.
 
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Grover Cleveland

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ReMaKe said:
That's the thing. I don't think Drake got mad cause his name was mentioned, it was the way it was mentioned.

"I heard the barbershops be in great debates all the time
Bout who's the best MC? Kendrick, Jigga and Nas
Eminem, Andre 3000, the rest of y'all
New ninjas just new ninjas, don't get involved"

With that statement he's saying that he's better then Drake and the rest of the "New ninjas".

These are the people he mentioned.

"Jermaine Cole, Big KRIT, Wale
Pusha T, Meek Millz, A$AP Rocky, Drake
Big Sean, Jay Electron', Tyler, Mac Miller"

Do you really think Drake belongs in that group.
As much as we may hate to admit, Drake is the king of the new age.

OT- Songs I like the most are Pound Cake - Too Much - Tuscan Leather. Seems I'm with the minority on that;.
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Yeah. He may be the best out of the current bunch, but he's still a long ways away from Jay, Nas, 3 Stacks, or Em. (Kendrick's nowhere near them either)

Even if Drake feels he's there he should prove it by making/continuing to make better records (like Kendrick wanted), not by whining on the radio to Angie Martinez.
 
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HiResDes

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He's most certainly not the best of the current bunch...Give me Kendrick, Q, Danny Brown, and Big Krit over Drake anyday.

DragonKnight said:
So I downloaded GKMC and i dont like it. Gonna do a second playthrough on my way home.
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Don't force yourself, but understand you need to give it a complete listen and and take it as the cinematic concept album it truly is.
 
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Byakuya769

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Cole puts on the best shows and interviews the best. If he had made a clichéd ghetto reporter album, he'd be heralded as the leader of the new school. He will be when he gets better production/ a real executive producer. As of now, it's clearly Drake: solid debut, two great follow ups and the game is adjusting to him, not the other way around.
 
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Etrian Oddity

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Jimmy Stav said:
This album is phenomenal--I couldn't get into Take Care, but now I'm giving it a second chance.
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That's why I said I wonder if it was my nostalgia for the college fun I had when Take Care dropped, but I mean, look at the first six songs of the album alone:

Over My Dead Body
Shot for Me
Headlines
Crew Love
Take Care
Marvin's Room

Then you have Underground Kings and HYFR, which are ridiculous. And then Cameras/Good Ones Go is underrated to hell.
 
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DragonKnight

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Guys. This album is phenomenal. Thought it was okay at first but after subsequent listenings im in love.

Fucking Dope:

Tusacan Leather
Furthest Thing
Started from the Bottom
WuTang Forever (holy shit)
Worst Behavior
Its Yours
The Language (production here is god)
Pound Cake

I still have to wrap up the back end of the album on my morning commute. Rock solid album. Drake is the best rapper out there right now.

Edit: Hold on is also growing on me
 
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DragonKnight

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HiResDes said:
He's most certainly not the best of the current bunch...Give me Kendrick, Q, Danny Brown, and Big Krit over Drake anyday.



Don't force yourself, but understand you need to give it a complete listen and and take it as the cinematic concept album it truly is.
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I did. I want to give it another listen but id rather listen to my new drake cd.
 
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Mau ®

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Finally was able to sit the fuck down and listen to this masterpiece.

I don't like it more than Take Care but I think this album has a better flow throughout, and doesnt wear itself out by the end, unlike Take Care (tho Practice was an amazing ending lol).

I'm really happy with this album.

P.S. Yeezus is my AOTY.
 
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