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Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2013 (Sep 16 - Sep 22)

That's definitely true. In some way, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate was trying to provide that right? I think part of the problem with the list of party games above is that they are pigeonholed into either a platformer or a pure party game (Mario Kart & Smash will be exceptions). I kind of wish they could have a multiplayer action game, like Four Swords Adventures or something for example. Pikmin 3's multiplayer is fairly fun though.

Well, that is a problem of sorts yes.

One can only hope that (presumably) launching DK, Wii Fit @ retail, and Mario Kart in Q1 next year will assist in 1) keeping up the system's momentum and 2) continue to solidify it as a place to experience multiplayer, family games. 2/3 of those have multiplayer experiences and all have been strong brands in the past.

Of course, this will probably have negative affects on titles like FE X SMT, Bayonetta, and X - i.e. if the audience perceives that Nitnendo will once again pursue that audience there may be less insentive to purchase the console for people who otherwise might for those games.

I don't know why anyone would be surprised at Vita's low sales, but they're going to be anemic until the new 2000 models hit on 10/10. You will see a significant bump there, that, combined with the software lineup, should carry through the holidays. Ditto with the Vita TV on 11/14. But the next two MC charts are going to have crappy Vita hardware numbers because consumers are waiting.

Same deal with the Wii U. The new bundles with 2 games + accessories come out on 10/31 in Japan. Why buy one now when you can wait a month and get a bunch of free stuff for the same price? Wii U sales will stay anemic until then.

Problem is that both were dropping before either new models or bundles were announced.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
I don't know why anyone would be surprised at Vita's low sales, but they're going to be anemic until the new 2000 models hit on 10/10. You will see a significant bump there, that, combined with the software lineup, should carry through the holidays. Ditto with the Vita TV on 11/14. But the next two MC charts are going to have crappy Vita hardware numbers because consumers are waiting.

Same deal with the Wii U. The new bundles with 2 games + accessories come out on 10/31 in Japan. Why buy one now when you can wait a month and get a bunch of free stuff for the same price? Wii U sales will stay anemic until then.

Btw, why is the Vita 2000 going to help again? It's the same price and you lose the OLED screen. What other changes are there?
 
I see thanks. I know they track download cards but I didn't realize anybody but Nintendo and publishers/developers tracked straight eshop sales.

They don't usually. Either Nintendo or Capcom provided Media Create with that information, or it's a complete guess based off of eShop rankings.

My guess is that they asked Nintendo / Capcom for the sales, and they obliged. After all, MH4 sales are something to brag about.
 
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Their faces are telling me that
Xbox is dead
Vita has accepted its fate
WiiU is freaking out
I don't know why anyone would be surprised at Vita's low sales, but they're going to be anemic until the new 2000 models hit on 10/10. You will see a significant bump there, that, combined with the software lineup, should carry through the holidays. Ditto with the Vita TV on 11/14. But the next two MC charts are going to have crappy Vita hardware numbers because consumers are waiting.

Same deal with the Wii U. The new bundles with 2 games + accessories come out on 10/31 in Japan. Why buy one now when you can wait a month and get a bunch of free stuff for the same price? Wii U sales will stay anemic until then.
I kinda doubt Vita 2k bump will be significant, considering what's coming out after it. I don't know what to think of Vita TV though, it might do well.
 
Shameless repost, but I'm pretty worried about how Sen no Kiseki will do. The IP may be strong, but it seems like it's releasing at the worst possible time.
 

DaBoss

Member
I don't think the Wii U bundle is going to do much either. Adding value doesn't give as much results as selling a console at a lower price.
 

Pain

Banned
Btw, why is the Vita 2000 going to help again? It's the same price and you lose the OLED screen. What other changes are there?
Seems to me like Sony is relaunching the Vita in Japan this year.
Vita TV + Vita Slim + Colors + Bundles + Decent Games = Relaunch
 
Shameless repost, but I'm pretty worried about how Sen no Kiseki will do. The IP may be strong, but it seems like it's releasing at the worst possible time.

Well the issues with the load times are spreading quickly through the the Internet, and that may affect sales IMO.
 
Btw, why is the Vita 2000 going to help again? It's the same price and you lose the OLED screen. What other changes are there?

It won't do much. I think it has some more internal storage? I could be wrong.

Vita TV probably won't do much either, at least not for the overall base. I think it'll mostly sell to a sub-set of people who already own Vita's and not sell the device to new consumers. It's a pseudo-console that only plays a sub-set of games available for the real console, no matter how many times Sony crows that there's 1,300 games available for it. It's like counting all of Wii's library, VC titles, and Wiiware and saying that the Wii U has an amazing library because it has BC.
 
First couple of pages of this thread were very disappointing. People still really bitter about MH4 and expect it to outsell Portable 3rd by the second week or something; get real guys. It took Portable 3rd YEARS to reach it's 4.8million+ sales - that's a few holiday seasons and a "the BEST" re-release. MH4 is just starting out in a smartphone-induced constrained portable market on a 3DS platform that's ~4 million units less than the PSP was when Portable 3rd hit. Some of you need to be a little more objective!

Why not? Its heavily supply constrained right now and based on what can be extrapolated it has likely sold at least a few hundred thousand digital copies. It has the holiday season ahead of it to bump sales etc.

At this point we cant even begin to know how MH4 will end up until supply is plentiful

This.

There's a good chance MH4 could get close to or even surpass MHP3rd. It'll certainly do better than the 3.5 million I expected it to do. Week 3 will be telling though.
 
I don't expect much with the new Vita model or the TV in Japan. The first few weeks there will send be a bump but I'm not really seeing it jump over 12,000 when it stabilizes. I hope I'm wrong.
 

Sandfox

Member
Seems to me like Sony is relaunching the Vita in Japan this year.
Vita TV + Vita Slim + Colors + Bundles + Decent Games = Relaunch

They tried a "relaunch" earlier this year and the effect it had really didn't last too long. I like the Vita but I think its going to be putting up about the same numbers it has been for the rest of its like.
 

zroid

Banned
I see thanks. I know they track download cards but I didn't realize anybody but Nintendo and publishers/developers tracked straight eshop sales.

I don't know exactly where this 100k number is coming from anyway. For all we know they could be using the same vague sales data and eShop rankings as us to surmise it. Was there ever a source or explanation given behind this estimate?
 
And you've been calling other people delusional? Give me a break dude.

The numbers are good but they aren't high enough to sustain what they'd need to reach those levels.
I think you're delusional for writing off the possibility already.

Anyone want to hazard a guess at what Puzzle&DragonsZ will do in December? I've got absolutely no idea.
I'm guessing 500k at the least, it'll be big.

Dude, I've seen more 'lol Vita' gifs than you can possibly imagine. I just liked the idea of flipping it out for Wii U because that gives Nintendo-only cats a mind-fuck. Hell, replace it with 'the rest of the japanese dedicated gaming industry' if you really want to drive the point home.

As the gag stands, you might as well replace the guy in the middle with a dead horse.
Yeah poor Vita, the Wii U gets so much love around here doesn't it?

I don't know exactly where this 100k number is coming from anyway. For all we know they could be using the same vague sales data and eShop rankings as us to surmise it. Was there ever a source or explanation given behind this estimate?
I'm guessing they got some data from Nintendo, I doubt they'll just make it up.

Who was betting against it?

I feel like I'm probably the most cynical where 3DS sales are concerned, and even I acknowledged that they'd catch up before the year ends.
This is from the previous thread but no, you yourself doubted it along with many others.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
Well Animal Crossing was sitting at like 20% downloads right? So thus that would put it at about 800k. Not sure where they got the numbers for the current #2 and #4 though.
 

L Thammy

Member
Can't imagine the Vita 2000 doing much in the long run. But I'm pretty sure that the Vita TV's price point is enough to push some systems, and that momentum could translate to software sales.

Of course, the big problem is the lack of software; casual software would probably be the best thing to suit anyone that they could bring in. I don't see who could service that audience aside from Sony.

My first gif....go easy on me >.<

You have fantastic taste.
 
but then that begs the question, if it was hard data from the source, why would they call it an "estimate"?
The data we rely on every week are also "estimates", doesn't change its credibility.

So 3rd week sales should have a big drop with supply so limited.
Yes that is to be expected, although eShop sales might make up for it some what, which should help mitigate how far behind it is compared to MHP3rd's sales. I expected it to behind MHP3rd's sales in the initial launch period but eventually surpass its sales due to better legs from the 3DS' userbase.
 

cafemomo

Member
Iwata "I must apologize for Wii U. It is a failure, we have purposely launched it wrong. As a joke."

He was supposed to me my successor, we even shared a common name, and now, he's dead, except for the wiimote & pro-controller - he's dead....wwiiiii-u wiii-u
 
The data we rely on every week are also "estimates", doesn't change its credibility.
Point of sale data from a sample of stores extrapolated for the wider market is why the data we get every week is an estimate.

Numbers from a digital storefront directly from the platform owner would not really be an "estimate."

This is not necessarily saying the number is not a credible estimate.
 

kubricks

Member
Its seems whatever Sony do to the Vita it fails to raise the baseline of the system. What puzzles me is that I have the most popular handheld (3DS) as well as the least popular handheld (Vita), and I somehow enjoy the latter a lot more. What the fuck is wrong with me? ;_;
 

cafemomo

Member
Its seems whatever Sony do to the Vita it fails to raise the baseline of the system. What puzzles me is that I have the most popular handheld (3DS) as well as the least popular handheld (Vita), and I somehow enjoy the latter a lot more. What the fuck is wrong with me? ;_;

Nothing is wrong with you. and don't worry about the Vita. Give it a wee bit more time and it will shine.
 
Point of sale data from a sample of stores extrapolated for the wider market is why the data we get every week is an estimate.

Numbers from a digital storefront directly from the platform owner would not really be an "estimate."

This is not necessarily saying the number is not a credible estimate.

Of course... but my point is just that we don't know where the eShop estimate comes from. It seems kind of dubious to me.
There's probably a bigger margin of error on MH4's retail figures than their eShop numbers, I don't see a need or reason to doubt them.

Its seems whatever Sony do to the Vita it fails to raise the baseline of the system. What puzzles me is that I have the most popular handheld (3DS) as well as the least popular handheld (Vita), and I somehow enjoy the latter a lot more. What the fuck is wrong with me? ;_;
The problem is Sony doesn't put in much effort towards the Vita, its not like they've tried, its not like they've tried many things and it failed, they just simply haven't really tried.
 

L Thammy

Member
Its seems whatever Sony do to the Vita it fails to raise the baseline of the system. What puzzles me is that I have the most popular handheld (3DS) as well as the least popular handheld (Vita), and I somehow enjoy the latter a lot more. What the fuck is wrong with me? ;_;

Your tastes aren't based off sales?

Actually, I've been wondering how much the Vita is Sony's current error and how much it's an evolution of the PSP's issues. Capcom and Square Enix are obviously much less interested in the Vita than they were the PSP, but once that is removed, is the Vita still grossly more niche than the PSP was?
 
Your tastes aren't based off sales?

Actually, I've been wondering how much the Vita is Sony's current error and how much it's an evolution of the PSP's issues. Capcom and Square Enix are obviously much less interested in the Vita than they were the PSP, but once that is removed, is the Vita still grossly more niche than the PSP was?
The market in general is just more competitive, back before PSP even had MH, the hardware was still selling pretty good, that just doesn't happen nowadays if you don't have the big titles to back it. There's more bigger reasons for Sony to properly support it than they had to for the PSP.
 

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
Your tastes aren't based off sales?

Actually, I've been wondering how much the Vita is Sony's current error and how much it's an evolution of the PSP's issues. Capcom and Square Enix are obviously much less interested in the Vita than they were the PSP, but once that is removed, is the Vita still grossly more niche than the PSP was?

At least in Japan, the fuck up begins with Sony's failure to secure Monster Hunter and things just... snowballed from there. I mean, relying on games like Uncharted on your launch in Japan? I don't even.
 

L Thammy

Member
At least in Japan, the fuck up begins with Sony's failure to secure Monster Hunter and things just... snowballed from there. I mean, relying on games like Uncharted on your launch in Japan? I don't even.

"Failure to secure Monster Hunter" implies that they could secure Monster Hunter. Capcom very quickly brought out Resident Evil Revelations, Monster Hunter 3G, and some other stuff on 3DS. They haven't given Vita anywhere near same love. I think they clearly decided to place their support on the 3DS.

Final Fantasy had a nice present on the PSP along with Kingdom Hearts. Actually, Square Enix was doing a lot there in general. That seems to be gone now, too. I guess that's due to their increased focus on smartphones?

Also, didn't Vita launch with Hot Shots Golf? I don't think it's the launch lineup that was bad.
 

ArtHands

Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
"Failure to secure Monster Hunter" implies that they could secure Monster Hunter. Capcom very quickly brought out Resident Evil Revelations, Monster Hunter 3G, and some other stuff on 3DS. They haven't given Vita anywhere near same love. I think they clearly decided to place their support on the 3DS.

Final Fantasy had a nice present on the PSP along with Kingdom Hearts. Actually, Square Enix was doing a lot there in general. That seems to be gone now, too. I guess that's due to their increased focus on smartphones?

Also, didn't Vita launch with Hot Shots Golf? I don't think it's the launch lineup that was bad.

Yah. Capcom already placed all their chips on the 3DS before the vita launch. They most probably know something about the vita at that moment ( memory card price?), thus the action.
 

zroid

Banned
Final Fantasy had a nice present on the PSP along with Kingdom Hearts. Actually, Square Enix was doing a lot there in general. That seems to be gone now, too. I guess that's due to their increased focus on smartphones?

But FFX is going to save Vita
 
Yah. Capcom already placed all their chips on the 3DS before the vita launch. They most probably know something about the vita at that moment ( memory card price?), thus the action.
They knew how strong Nintendo IPs are and at the same time how weak Sony's first party is. DS vs PSP also made it clear which platform would have the benefit of doubt when it comes to support.
 

L Thammy

Member
Yah. Capcom already placed all their chips on the 3DS before the vita launch. They most probably know something about the vita at that moment ( memory card price?), thus the action.

I'm not sure if it's any aspect of the Vita that did it or just Capcom's experience on with the PSP. I'm not sure how they did on both platforms, but considering that their bigger non-MH PSP titles didn't come out in the West (Sengoku Basara, Last Ranker), I don't think they were too confident about that situation.

Eyeballing things in Garaph, Star Force and Ace Attorney were more successful than their non-MH PSP output as well.

But FFX is going to save Vita

Silly me. I forgot.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
They knew how strong Nintendo IPs are and at the same time how weak Sony's first party is. DS vs PSP also made it clear which platform would have the benefit of doubt when it comes to support.

Well Capcom did already have a relationship with Capcom with Monster Hunter Tri. While I realize the PSP had the more popular version of it and all. Basically Monster Hunter was the best-selling franchise on the PSP. Pokemon is pretty much a guaranteed seller on the 3DS, so it made sense to join forces and all is my guess.
 

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
Final fantasy is still a strong name. not talking out of bias here but it is a system seller (except on the xbox)

I just don't understand your confidence about FFX will help Vita to the point where it can compete in a healthy manner against 3DS. I mean, even Square itself doesn't have nearly the same confidence as evident with the fact that the game is also available in PS3.
 

RM8

Member
It's a port. Vita knows ports are not system sellers. Same with remakes like Wind Waker. Has it ever been the case?
 

cafemomo

Member
I just don't understand your confidence about FFX will help Vita to the point where it can compete in a healthy manner against 3DS. I mean, even Square itself doesn't have nearly the same confidence as evident with the fact that the game is also available in PS3.

FFX will help the vita gain momentum.
 

L Thammy

Member
It's a port. Vita knows ports are not system sellers. Same with remakes like Wind Waker. Has it ever been the case?

Monster Hunter, actually. Portable and Portable 2nd are PS2 -> PSP (the latter is missing some content). But I'd figure that was due to the switch from online to local multiplayer.

Anyhow, I think the Wii U's a similar beast. The problems it's having are not entirely new, but a result of the existing problems with the Wii getting worse with the generation transition.
 

ohlawd

Member
Its seems whatever Sony do to the Vita it fails to raise the baseline of the system. What puzzles me is that I have the most popular handheld (3DS) as well as the least popular handheld (Vita), and I somehow enjoy the latter a lot more. What the fuck is wrong with me? ;_;
cuz you're getting shit games for your 3DS instead of picking up the good games like SMTIV, FEA, EOIV just to name a few? Iunno man, it's all on you.

Anyway I want the SNAFU Vita game. Can I waifu Yui in it?
 
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