TheSpaceBetween
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Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze announced for WiiU
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I am! Most anticipated game of the year for me.
From the little I've seen in the trailer Donkey Kong seems to be a pretty good swimmer, movement and change of direction in the water seem to be pretty fast. I'd kill for the return of the cute swordfish from DKC2 (?), but judging by the disturbing lack of animal buddies in DKCR I wouldn't put too much faith into it
[1] Superficial impressions again?
[2] Same gameplay? It still is a Donkey Kong Country game so naturally it has the same core platforming. Now it has underwater sections (or even levels?), the more involved background stuff, two additional playable characters (one we know about) with unique moves that gates alternate routes or areas in levels. If you wanna dismiss that entirely then that's fine, I guess? Calling it a map pack is very odd since I have never seen map packs introduce all of the above.
[3] Then I'm nuts, I guess. SMW was my first proper Mario experience and I 100%ed it this Spring when it came out on VC again. Loved it. But it also showed me how much I prefer NSMBU over it due to Mario's enhanced move set and hidden stuff in every level as opposed to just the occasional secret exit in SMW. Having the ability to pick up a baby Yoshi to go through a level with a completely new move set depending on which Yoshi you pick is also pretty amazing. But hey, if you like the old one better, that's fine.
[4] Sonic almost identical? Except for entirely different levels?
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/07/dimps-developing-3ds-version-of-sonic-lost-world/
Nothing more to say to that...
[5] Same experience as in play different games that have different gameplay mechanics, right? (?!)
[6] Being able to drive on walls or upside down looks awesome. But is that not also just a neat gameplay addition like water levels, new characters, new abilities, different levels that happen in 360°? Or is it awesome because Mario Kart had everyone's expectations going towards zero and thus overdelivered in tandem with the fancy Nintendo Land lighting?
VGChampion
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Oh wow. If I knew you weren't joking I'd be laughing. Either you think Yarn Yoshi is going to be something completely different or you've never played LBP if you truly thought that.
Spieler Eins
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I am. I mean, I'm gonna buy DK, but I'm not gonna be delusional and gonna claim that this is an amazing effort worth buying an overpriced console for. I already know the gameplay, I've played DKCR. And if the gameplay is unaltered on your next gen machine, you gotta show off it's worth with some technical/graphical sorcery to compensate. If your game has neither new gameplay, nor pretty pictures to impress with compared to the predecessor that came out not too long ago on cheaper hardware (with a better library), then you gonna (rightfully) fail to sell your machine. I mean, I could tolerate DK if it was the lone exception, but the WHOLE fall/holiday lineup is pretty much a bunch of 3DS/Wii games with barely noticable HD polish. (Nor are they finally approaching worthwhile online play with something like this game or Mario...)
Just because the rest of the industry has become unambitious and generic this gen (and the trend seems to continue on Xb1/PS4), doesn't mean that I'm okay with Nintendo going the same route. Bad plus bad doesn't make good in this case. You think I'm happy to share opinions with people that probably already shat on Nintendo since the PS1 days and I'm just ,,trolling''? lol, no. But I rather be realistic than a fanboy. Just looking at the ,,Wii hidden gem''-thread being bumped has reminded me of how good this console was and that it was worth ,,defending'' if you actually spent time with it. Lots of unique games right from the start, plus most of Nintendo's franchises felt fresh through completely new core gameplay concepts like Galaxy, through Wiimote controls even if the foundation was still similar like Prime 3, or because enough time has past since the last entries like Punch Out, Sin & Punishment, etc
Now with the WiiU, you have nothing of this sorts. It's a complete disaster. ZombiU and W101 are barely a drop in the bucket, the rest just feels tired and cheap. And as a Nintendo fan, shit ultimately hits the fan when even some of their most appreciated studios (Tokyo team & Retro Studios) are wasted for blatant cash grabs that are devoid of any ambition. It's okay if some hardcore Nintendo group is still satisfied with Nintendo not even putting the bare minimum of an effort into their first HD machine (or if they simply can't due to Iwata mishandling the company) and if you are happy as long as you get a bunch of new DK/Mario levels regularely, but there's no point of defending this for people who remember that this company used to offer much more for your money and expect more for 300$. Or if you look at what other consoles already offered in their first year. (Not to mention that this gets even worse when you think about that the original Wii was already dead since 2 years and they did NOTHING to prepare their next home console)
Your points in 2 are more superficial than anything I strive for. Two additional characters... seriously? I mean, it's not even real characters. Dixie is pretty much gonna be a slighty different power up than Diddy.
People are salty Retro chose to work on Donkey Kong instead of Metroid.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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It's an armchair Digital Foundry day and age of gaming unfortunately.
On here a lot of the time.
Fortunately, most people enjoy games without dissecting every single technical aspect of them.
No one can stop Retro, the game will be amazing.
ViewtifulJC
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If there was any game that was gonna be called an up-ressed Wii game, it'd be this one.
It looks like playing DKCR in Dolphin. With a fanmod texture pack for DK's fur.
It looks like playing DKCR in Dolphin. With a fanmod texture pack for DK's fur.
ShockingAlberto
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Out of curiosity, what insane new gameplay innovations over DKC did DKCR present
I care about the game-play but nobody has come out & said anything about it, i have not seen any reports on the game-play mentioned on any-other gaming sites, how long are the demo's people have been able to play, maybe they are not long enough to make a judgement.
I'm going to have to wait until the game is in peoples hands before making a decision on buying this or not.
The same thing that is happening in this thread since the announcement. Children having a little pissing contest. "Your e-pen is so last gen"
Actually, we are on a gaming board and we discuss games on here. If you only care about gameplay, that's fine. Others also care about the visuals and wonder why they charge 60 for a game that looks weak in that department. If they don't even bother to show some ambition, why is there the need for the Wii U? The Gamepad doesn't seem too useful either in this title.
And it's perfectly ok because the DKCR assets are stylized and great.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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GTA V should be 30$ according to this logic.
But that wasn't my point. The point was that people are allowed to discuss the shortcomings of titles. Not everyone is a blinded Nintendo fan who loves everything that company does, not everyone defends products in which the producing company puts very little effort.
How is a different level mechanic introducing new moves, ability-gating and two new playable characters more superficial than your desire for more visual flourish? Stop right now, I know full well you want EITHER visual flourish or earth shattering new gameplay. But since you don't care for any of their additions and seem to dismiss them as unambitious level pack gimmickry, all you're left with is visual stuff. I'll give you the 360° background stuff as seemingly being used superficially, though. That's fair. But then again that also doesn't excite you. Ultimately, you seem to want a different game. But I don't get why you then have to talk down on this one and dismiss the things it does do differently, better or (re-)introduce for the first time?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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SporeCrawler
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nothing. it was pretty basic DKC gameplay if you think about it and didnt have many mounts compared to the old games. the barrel rocket levels maybe. it played more accurately i think.
SporeCrawler
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i am positive that there will be a lot of good hidden gems on wiiu once the generation ends.
as you rightly pointed out we already have two such gems and the gen has just started.
I agree. Also Nintendo games tend to improve their graphics quite a lot from the first time they are shown, to the final product.
ViewtifulJC
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and with the delay, they'll have plenty of time to tighten up the graphics in level 3
(notice how I have seamlessly blended both of the recent topics together. Yes, I'm that good)
(notice how I have seamlessly blended both of the recent topics together. Yes, I'm that good)
I have my own serious issues with what DKCR:TF might represent in terms of Nintendo's penchant for playing it safe, etc., but to claim a lack of effort based on a screen shot comparison seems to me a real disservice to a developer who has to this point done some really excellent work.
But that's just me.
But that's just me.
Tevious
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I don't understand this attitude. Before DKCR, there wasn't a DKC game for 14 years. The last Metroid Prime game was just 6 years ago (if we're not counting both Other M and DK64). DKC deserves more love than just one game. Are all these complainers just kids that grew up playing the Prime games or what?
Retro is a 2 team studio now, so there's still hope for another Metroid game being in the works by them.
Well, I think if a "next-gen" game looks like a Wii game in HD, then I do think it shows a lack of effort. We do know that the Wii U is capable of more and if even 1st party studios aren't trying anymore, what is that telling us about the Wii U platform as a whole? Even some indie studios create more sophisticated visuals.
SporeCrawler
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Yes.
posting two screenshots of the game to prove what?
are stills enough to justify your comment?
i find it unnerving how little benefit of a doubt people in general are giving EAD Tokyo and Retro when they produced only hit games for the last few years.
oh i am sure there is a random reason why X looks not promising
Jesus. Pikmin looks very good.
Mario Kart looks "next gen".
X looks amazing.
You are basically saying that because a 2D platformer by one internal studio looks like a Wii game to you, that must mean Nintendo as a whole isn't "trying" and that the entire platform is in trouble?
Do you realize how insane you sound?
ShockingAlberto
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I don't know that it really does your argument, or any argument, any favors to spasm quite like this.
I understand some people place a lot of importance on that. I don't blame them. I just don't.
If it has great level design and a lot of content (also rock solid 60fps), I will consider that far more high effort than any kind of incredible visuals would allow. "Why not both?" Nothing wrong with both. That's even better. But only a little bit better; insignificantly so.
SporeCrawler
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i think i would agree with shiggy that nintendo so far has done a terrible job hyping the community up with new trailers of this game and of mario 3d world.
I have no clue what Nintendo is doing anymore on that front.
Did they even advertise the Wind Waker bundle/price cut?
foxuzamaki
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yes
spookyfish
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Wow, guys, so DKC is coming out so--
>reads thread<
Yeah, I'm out.
>reads thread<
Yeah, I'm out.
Of "the game"? It seems like you couldn't make out the difference between DKCR and DKCR:TF. You pretty much proved my point, thanks.
And well, you can compare videos too. Both games may look better in motion, but DKCR:TF still doesn't look impressive.
Look more like "current gen" but yes, they do look great.
Well, the entire platform is in trouble, especially when looking past their 2013 lineup. Nintendo's games look pretty much all unambitious apart from X, they all look like someone looked at the Wii/3DS idea box and decided to do the same concepts on Wii U. Imagine the outcry if Sony only put out PS3 games adjusted for the new controller and with new levels on PS4.
I don't have an issue with your opinion either. I just wonder why I'm supposed to buy a new platform if they don't make use of the platform's power or features.
Didn't expect this thread to be so negative. This is probably one of my most hyped games left this year and was really annoyed when Nintendo swapped its release date with Mario 3D World.
Thinking of replaying Donkey Kong Country Returns soon. Was tempted to try out the 3DS version, but I think I'll save a few quid and go through the Wii version again.
Thinking of replaying Donkey Kong Country Returns soon. Was tempted to try out the 3DS version, but I think I'll save a few quid and go through the Wii version again.
For the most part, that's what Sony IS doing
The thing is, they also have a load of new IPs and concepts. What does Nintendo have outside of W101 or X? Not a lot. Have there been any new concepts/IPs on 3DS in the past year?
At this point you are just trolling or you just have no idea what you are talking about. The games that we know that are coming in 2014 and we have footages of (X, Bayo 2 and Mario Kart) are surely looking like upres Wii/3ds games. For the rest we will find out in time.
You haven't even read my post apparently.
Well, if it's prettier graphics than it's at least more than what we have with DKCR:TF
Monty Mole
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Both my gf and me played this at the Eg expo. We both loved it. It's fucking brilliant, super-tight gameplay and looks incredible in person. The negativity, doom and gloom in this thread is ridiculous. If you like DK then you'll love it to bits, and if you don't then wtf are you doing in this thread anyway?
I'll say this...Nintendo playing it safe and rehashing old franchises and whatnot is slightly better than what I've BEEN seeing. So far I've seen my favorite franchises disappear (Mega Man) and others get bastardized and turned to a mobile game. (Breath of Fire "6"...fuck you Capcom, FUCK YOOOOOU!!!) I'm not saying Nintendo is perfectly legitimized by doing this, but hell at least they are still around and not dicked around with to a point to where the IP is barely recognizable or just flat out missing. And the one's that ARE on hiatus are at least being mentioned so there's a possibility of a revival, although some have a better chance than others. (Poor F-Zero...)
What about the music/sound?