The explanation is simple, there are enough people in Brazil who will get it at those prices, as long as they exist it will continue to happen, and not only with Sony, with any company.
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The Sony PS4 costs ~US$ 1850 in Brazil
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The explanation is simple, there are enough people in Brazil who will get it at those prices, as long as they exist it will continue to happen, and not only with Sony, with any company.
Yup, Colombia has the official price already it is $1'299.000 cop haha, that's only $690 usd.
Funfact: the official sony store will have avaliable only 100 units for the whole country, and even like that I doubt it will sell out.
Perhaps, but they're too stupid to realize that the negative publicity generated from this will far offset any profit they make on the console. It would literally be better to not sell the PS4 at all than to sell it for R$4k.
Microsoft is already set to dominate another generation in Brazil, they'll cross over the 90% market share mark this time.
Peterthumpa
Member
No, but give me another reason then. Because taxes are not an answer. There's just no way to justify it.
You can actually fly to New York, buy a PS4 with one game and fly back to Brazil for cheaper than Sony is charging for it.
How about the fact that the PS4 costs R$3999 and the Xbox One costs R$2199?
I know it's hard to find a plausible explanation, that's because there isn't one. Sony Brasil is actually selling the PS4 for that price.
MrChocolate
Member
Dont take this the wrong way, but why should I give you a reason to counter a baseless argument?
This "Sony is greedy" thing, is way too simple to be truth.
Logistics is not my best subject, but I can assure you that just because X item costs more than Y item, it doesn´t always mean that Y item, will always have a lower price in every country.
For example, a Coke over here costs about 300% more than what it costs on other countries. But other things like electronics costs waaaay less than almost every country in the region.
Freeman
Banned
How about the fact that people will probably buy it?
They think they can get away with that price because the PS3 launched at R$ 3000 and sold, people also import if it is too expensive for them, so Sony is never at loss. Hell, one very big retailer in Brazil sold the PS3 for R$ 8000 when it launched.
Time to open a factory over then. It is a country of 200 million after all and Sony could also export part of the production to the rest of the south american countries.
Vanguardofyourdestruction
Banned
But let's not forget all the free games from PS Plus!!!! Console practically pays for itself.
It's still great value guys!!!
It's still great value guys!!!
Can't be Sony, my google skills just told me that a lot of things are expensive in Brazil.
http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/cost-of-living-soars-in-brazil/#
Most expensive cars in the world, also electronics.
How can Sony be the only one to blame?
Sounds more like lousy tax laws and free market
Add deaf government too (assuming people isn't conforming with all this)
http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/cost-of-living-soars-in-brazil/#
Most expensive cars in the world, also electronics.
How can Sony be the only one to blame?
Sounds more like lousy tax laws and free market
Add deaf government too (assuming people isn't conforming with all this)
You may believe me or not. It's up to you.
Peterthumpa
Member
Well, corporations want to make money and Brazil is VERY well known for its absurd prices and for having people who don't give a shit and are willing to pay for it anyway. I just want another good and plausible reason to explain this outrageous price then.
Sammy Samusu
Member
People will buy it from the grey market for half the official price, yes.
Vanguardofyourdestruction
Banned
Dude Sony care about gamers, unlike MSoft. No way they would do this without a good reason.
The difference is that cars and electronics are equally overpriced between different brands and models, but the Xbox One going through the same taxes is half the price of the PS4.
Think about what you're saying. Of all the countries you think Sonys picking Brazil to extort money from? Unless you're being sarcastic. In which case I appologize.
Ascended Saiyan
Banned
People don't be naive Blame your government laws and taxes simple as that.
People in china like to try to blame Apple because iPhones aren't cheaper but the reality is they should be blaming Chinese government and cell companies because they don't subsidized the cost of phones like other companies/countries.
People in china like to try to blame Apple because iPhones aren't cheaper but the reality is they should be blaming Chinese government and cell companies because they don't subsidized the cost of phones like other companies/countries.
Then it goes back to why is Microsoft charging half the price as the PS4 in Brazil?
You should read the thread.
Maybe, just maybe, Brazilians know more about the Brazilian government and taxation than you.
You could read the thread to find out.
Freeman
Banned
Doesn't change much for Sony. What I meant is that they will probably move many units at R$3999 to the clueless, while some will just import.
danielreis
Neo Member
Yes, we blame our government for the fact that Xbox One is R$ 2200,00 (almost $1000,00).
But we would be stupid to not blame Sony for the fact that PS4 is R$ 4000,00 (more than $1800,00) while the Xbox One is "only" R$ 2200,00. Or for the absurd and clamorous disparity between Vita and PS4 price (a $250 Vita is R$1600 and a $400 PS4 is R$ 4000).
Wow.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Ascended Saiyan
Banned
I read the thread and I see nothing but hyperbole postings from some people without fact especially from people in the region.
"Fuq u sony u greedy"
"Ms is the best blah blah blah"
End of thread
sound about right ?
intheinbetween
Member
so, are you implying the gvt, is charging more taxes to PS4 than XB1? it makes no sense
Don't feel like it. Sure taxation isn't the only reason the price is so high .... maybe Sony has a problem with piracy or something that goes on in Brazil and they don't want to sell there so they limit the supply which drives the price up ... who knows.
Maybe worldwide demand at launch is so high that they made the price ridiculous so they can focus on getting consoles to major markets first. And I'm sure there are people in Brazil who will pay that high price for a PS4. Maybe after a while the price will drop when the worldwide markets settle in....
I also don't imagine Sony is sitting in their offices saying "Hahaha! Fuck you forever Brazil!".
If you can't afford it, there seem to be other ways to go about getting one (Amazon importing etc.).
silver.tongue
Member
Can we stop bumping this thread... It's making me really sad...
With all due respect, I don't. I think that you're angry (like most of us) and you're assuming that "Sony being greedy and wanting to screw Brazil over" is the only possible explanation since, even with all the absurd tax that we have over here, PS4's price tag is way too high. And I admit it, it's a possibility, but nothing more (at least, for now).
I can respect that, if this is your opinion. But if you're claiming to be an insider (because you work for UOL jogos) - with access to concrete proof to back your claim - then, please, post and prove it. If you can't prove it, because you have a secret source or something like that, I think that you should be checked by a mod. Forgive me if you have already been checked.
Don't take it the wrong way though. I just get suspicious when people claim that what they say is the "truth", without offering any arguments to sustain it.
intheinbetween
Member
if you're a brazilian you should feel ripped, instead of sad
Hamster Plugin
Member
Microsoft is offering the Xbox One for a lower price than the PS4, which is the opposite of the situation in all other countries in the world. There is no other explanation than Sony being greedy, because Microsoft gets hit by the same taxes as Sony does and the Xbox One does indeed cost more in Brazil than in the US.
Then why launch this year at all? It's not like people would buy PS3s on xmas just because "oh my it's so cheap comparing to the PS4, what a steal".
But yeah, they're pushing the PS3 here. Tons of bundles and full localized games announced near the TGS proves at least some commitment.
Brazil is pretty trustworthy and well known as a source, and his assumption is valid considering what he (and other forum members) brought up.
Brazilians are pointing out (in particular, a member who is a journalist for a respectable gaming website here) that neither the Xbox One nor the PS4 are being produced in Brazil (hence, are affected by the same taxes), and yet the PS4 is over $900 more expensive than the Xbox One.
Then you could some other tidbits, like how Sony Brazil is known to overprice their products, or the fact they asked their PR to ignore press calls today and you can see they knew exactly what they were getting into.
And honestly, do you think people from Brazil wouldn't know about taxes? This goes beyond that.
I guess you speak for us just because your username is the name of our country?
This isn't completely Sony's fault. The only reason they can use high taxation as an excuse is because...well, taxation is very high. If that weren't the case, I'm sure we'd have a reasonable price tag.
Look at that list and show me a country with low import duty rates that's being ripped off as well.
50% Brazilian's government fault + 50% Sony's greedy ass fault. You cannot simply blame one side, don't be so small minded.
Sony fucked up here, hard, the taxes in this case are responsible for 1/4 of the price, the rest of it is simply greediness.
My bet is that they'll keep pushing the grey market until they can assemble the PS4 here (almost certain), but the strategy might backfire as they'll be at BGS next week.
People are going to be mad.
Sony fucked up here, hard, the taxes in this case are responsible for 1/4 of the price, the rest of it is simply greediness.
My bet is that they'll keep pushing the grey market until they can assemble the PS4 here (almost certain), but the strategy might backfire as they'll be at BGS next week.
People are going to be mad.
And just by that you are contradicting your previous post.
If Sony has a problem with piracy or whatever else non-related to the government, and that is the reason why the console is THAT overpriced (Don't get me wrong, our government plays a HUGE part in this issue, but R$4,000 is beyond absurd, even for the country's standard), it is Sony's doing.
You just can not blame it all on the government nor on Sony, both are playing their part.
http://www.dutycalculator.com/help_center/Import-duty-taxes-when-importing-into-Brazil/
http://www.dutycalculator.com/help_center/Import-duty-taxes-when-importing-into-Chile/
Can someone calculate the final values based on this? in Chile it's going for 670 USD on retailers
http://www.dutycalculator.com/help_center/Import-duty-taxes-when-importing-into-Chile/
Can someone calculate the final values based on this? in Chile it's going for 670 USD on retailers
Look, no one here is denying the taxes are pretty bad or that they are helping the price. However, even when you add the taxes (like some gaffers did in this thread), or even compare to the Xbox One (which is not produced in Brazil either), you realize there is a pretty big gap that can't be explained.