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[Reg]

Just got out of a warm bath with some cerny. What's going on?

 

[SirMossyBloke]

The last time a rumour started on GAF and the devs didn't deny it, it ended up being true (driveclub delay). So it's probably true.

If I made a game that ran natively at 1080p and a bunch of forum goers started a rumour it didn't, I'd be pissed and I'd squash it as soon as possible.

 

[Can Crusher]

There's no way the difference would be this large.

Sounds like too much. Then again if ESRAM is a bitch to work with, and SNAP features are actually taking 10% of the GPU while on the PS4 front it isn't (because it doesn't have snap), we are looking at 1.1 tflops vs 1.8 tflops difference that should produce significant differences.

Otherwise Infinity Ward are stuck in amateur hour.

 

[JaggedSac]

Nah, I'd suggest you reel in that nonesense ASAP. Mortimer isn't responsible for the knee jerk reactions and pent up fanboy frustration that drives the feeding frenzy that this thread quickly became.

Yep, it was a dumb post on my part. Embarrassed that it got quoted so much :|

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Rush job but you get the point.

Oh God! :lol

 

[ViciousDS]

Look, I get some people claim such amazing eyesight as to be able to instantly distinguish native vs. upscaled when you're in a room watching and enjoying a game demo, despite the fact that it requires normal people access to a direct feed screenshot with very particular sections zoomed up 8x to pixel count, while also making sure you're accounting for other intentional environmental effects that may blur or otherwise impact the image.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=680289&highlight=pixel+counting

But hey, if you're saying you can tell the difference with enough accuracy to make a public disclosure about it, just by watching someone play the game, then I say wow.

I've seen a bunch of other 3rd party games running at various times, and I can't tell you the *native* resolutions of those either.

So me, I'm not making that claim. I'm sorry if you think that's a job requirement.

Go ask your tech buddies who always seem to know everything that gets nerked and debunked here day in and day out....maybe they have an answer.

 

[Ricky_R]

From now on please use the superior version of that image featuring Dennis.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Rush job but you get the point.

lol nice job

 

[Anticitizen One]

Probably too obscure...

Spoiler

Labyrinth

 

[Shady859]

Video is even better.

Saw on Tosh and lol now watched again and still cracked up. Thanks!


Further reason why day one next gen console buyers should wait and see. Especially those buying a Xbone... I was PS4 day one untill I realized I was only buying the console and BF4 and CoD with either console. (Dead Rising if went Xbone)

 

[Racer1977]

Um... pre-orders?

MS need to play the long game, stick on message, not get hung up on a few weeks of preorders.

It's not as if this can be kept under wraps indefinitely.

 

[Netherscourge]

Rush job but you get the point.

A for effort!

lol

 

[TheExecutive]

these last five pages.... phew.... thank you gaf- thank you!

 

[BloodMoney]

Albert Penello: Wrecking Ball

 

[plasmawave]

Look, I get some people claim such amazing eyesight as to be able to instantly distinguish native vs. upscaled when you're in a room watching and enjoying a game demo, despite the fact that it requires normal people access to a direct feed screenshot with very particular sections zoomed up 8x to pixel count, while also making sure you're accounting for other intentional environmental effects that may blur or otherwise impact the image.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=680289&highlight=pixel+counting

But hey, if you're saying you can tell the difference with enough accuracy to make a public disclosure about it, just by watching someone play the game, then I say wow.

I've seen a bunch of other 3rd party games running at various times, and I can't tell you the *native* resolutions of those either.

So me, I'm not making that claim. I'm sorry if you think that's a job requirement.

When I play Alan Wake or Resisntance 3, I can immediately tell the game isn't running native 720p.

 

[Liberty4all]

Depends if that number is unique viewers or total number of views. It may only be 5,000 people hitting refresh over and over. I know most of us here have done just that.

Oh I'm sure it's total not uniques. Still I wouldn't be surprised at all in 20 to 30k of those views are unique which would be insanely impressive.

 

[Amir0x]

Go ask your tech buddies who always seem to know everything that gets nerked and debunked here day in and day out....maybe they have an answer.

guys he's not going to say what it is either way. He already said it's not his place even if he did know. That's for Activision.

Or as Major Nelson would say: "That's a question for Call of Duty: Ghosts."

 

[i HeaR MusiC]

Rush job but you get the point.

omg LOL!!!!!!!!

 

[Muppet of a Man]

I think this is about more than CoD though. It's our first real glimpse (if true) at One versus PS4 in regard to performance. Hence everybody going batshit insane.

I know, but there's been tons of smoke about PS4 being the more powerful console and by a significant margin at that. We've been hearing this for months through the development grapevine. Is anyone really surprised anymore? I guess there will always be diehard fanboys in denial.

Of course the graphical capabilities of the X1 should be more than sufficient going by the graphical fidelity of big budget exclusive titles by technically proficient developers like Ryse. PS4 just has even more horsepower under the hood.

Both will have great games. But if graphics and performance for multiplatform titles are of great concern to you, you should probably invest in a PS4.

 

[TheOctodad]

I don't fault Albert for not being able to say something. No issue there. He also genuinely seems like a good guy.

But if you don't have anything to say, it's better to just stay silent. Posting a PR filled message is not the best course of action on NeoGaf. People aren't critiquing Albert for not commenting, they're critiquing him for taking the time to comment and adding nothing to the discussion.

 

[Netherscourge]

I need to go to work tomorrow but I can't stop reading this thread!

 

[The Flash]

Yes buy whatever makes you happy. I am going to stay with a Wii U for some time, then PC. For tastes the colors, is a saying in my country.
If exclusives > better 3rd party versions then I understand where you are coming from.

But damn this meltdowns sure are entertaining to watch. It is clear now MS was not ready for launching 2013.

CoD Ghosts ---> PC >> PS4 >>> XB1 >> Wii U > PS360

Yep. That's what I mean. If I ever get a PS4 I would mostly use it for exclusives as all of my friends will still be on XBL.

The meltdowns are entertaining to me to a degree but for the most part its actually pretty sad. Seeing people get worked up over something that is ultimately so completely and utterly meaningless is depressing sometimes. What country are you from if I may ask?

 

[Wurdfurd]

I can just imagine the shitstorm on GAF if the WiiU version was 1080p as well.

 

[JaggedSac]

Go ask your tech buddies who always seem to know everything that gets nerked and debunked here day in and day out....maybe they have an answer.

He has also already stated that any MS employees that work with third parties on technical aspects of games, are not allowed to talk about what they know to other MS employees.

 

[Krusenstern]

Go ask your tech buddies who always seem to know everything that gets nerked and debunked here day in and day out....maybe they have an answer.

Burn.

 

[jaypah]

It's not his job to post on GAF.

If it is. He should seriously consider a new profession.

Why? Think outside of our bubble. I realized the world at large doesn't give a shit about our hobby when I posted about cliffy leaving Epic on Facebook and not a single person knew what the fuck I was talking about. If he can deal with a few angry forum goers and go on about the rest of his day I'd say he could be making easy money. Not everybody cares about this shit like we do.

 

[Buzza]

Has the forum basically just shutdown besides this thread?

If you post in another thread right now it won't be read.

 

[lastflowers]

How can this even be remotely true, X1's OS is based off of windows 8, which is exceedingly reliable(maybe different for PC users but for tablets and everything else it's incredible and very minimal on the systems). Secondly, doesn't the Xbox One upscale everything to 1080p anyway? So even if this were true it would still be false.

It is based on the kernel of windows, much like windows phone. They are not the same thing. They have customized the shell on top, altered the security system, only written drivers for certain pieces of hardware, etc etc. While being based on the NTKernel, the xbox OS is not the same thing much like the Windows Phone OS is not the same thing.

 

[Obscene Jester]

I've canceled my CoD preorder and will cancel my Xbox One preorder if I don't hear some straight actual answers. If the Xbox One can't handle this game at 1080p then I don't have much confidence in this system going forward.

Dems some serious threats son.

As for Al, maybe he really just doesn't get caught up in da graphics analysis like we do. Saying that game looks great though is laughable.

 

[Hollow]

This thread is delivering on all fronts. lol

 

[Punkster_NY]

Let me see, Penello goes in depth with numbers defending XBones performance around esram, IN DEPTH. But yet, hows the colladuty running on it?

"Fucked if I know bro lolololol, just look at it eh mane"

LOL!

 

[Rizific]

Well, nobody is arguing that the PS4 is the faster system. The question is will that affect the texture output and does GDDR5 vs DDR3/esram really make that big of a difference to the point were they have to downscale the game to 720p?

but as long as its upscaled to 1080p, its still 1080p right?

 

[MilkBeard]

Nah, I'd suggest you reel in that nonesense ASAP. Mortimer isn't responsible for the knee jerk reactions and pent up fanboy frustration that drives the feeding frenzy that this thread quickly became.

He replied recently that he was joking. It's hard to detect because this thread is moving at lightning speeds.

 

[Devilinthiscity]

you tell me

My eyes. Is it really that bad?

 

[ghst]

c'mon al, make the call. if there's a bullet to take, you don't want to take any closer to launch than this.

 

[Netherscourge]

Albert Penello: Wreaking Ball

LOLOLOL

 

[Samyy]

Yep. That's what I mean. If I ever get a PS4 I would mostly use it for exclusives as all of my friends will still be on XBL.

The meltdowns are entertaining to me to a degree but for the most part its actually pretty sad. Seeing people get worked up over something that is ultimately so completely and utterly meaningless is depressing sometimes. What country are you from if I may ask?

Your paying 500 dollars for a weaker machine, its not meaningless.
Especially when 90% of games come to both consoles, you can get a cheaper machine that plays them better.

 

[Amir0x]

c'mon al, make the call. if there's a bullet to take, you don't want to take any closer to launch than this.

they actually would want to take this as close to launch as possible where it will be drowned beneath all the other launch news I'd imagine

 

[TheRagnCajun]

So it takes 'amazing eyesight' to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p now? My goodness we're really grasping at straws now aren't we?

 

[Aztechnology]

Upscaled 1080p =! 1080p

If response == notsure
{
System.out.println(" It's 720p, don't worry you'll learn to like it);
}
{
}

Obviously this wouldn't work as real code but you know, it's for the joke.

 

[njean777]

I've canceled my CoD preorder and will cancel my Xbox One preorder if I don't hear some straight actual answers. If the Xbox One can't handle this game at 1080p then I don't have much confidence in this system going forward.

You can get it on ps4... just thought I would let you know.

 

[Beerman462]

Nvidia and AMD should stop wasting their time/money developing better GPUs and just make an awesome upscaling chip...

 

[jaaz]

Come on Albert, no ones talking about pixel counting a 360 and PS3 multi-plat game where we know one is 720 and the other is slightly less than that. We're talking a game with apparently a DOUBLE the resolution difference of 720p and 1080p. This can't be THAT difficult to notice for someone in the industry...

 

[Garrett 2U]

Nah, I'd suggest you reel in that nonesense ASAP. Mortimer isn't responsible for the knee jerk reactions and pent up fanboy frustration that drives the feeding frenzy that this thread quickly became.

Haha I was trying to think of how to describe what is occurring in this thread, and that is exactly it

 

[Spongebob]

Look, I get some people claim such amazing eyesight as to be able to instantly distinguish native vs. upscaled when you're in a room watching and enjoying a game demo, despite the fact that it requires normal people access to a direct feed screenshot with very particular sections zoomed up 8x to pixel count, while also making sure you're accounting for other intentional environmental effects that may blur or otherwise impact the image.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=680289&highlight=pixel+counting

But hey, if you're saying you can tell the difference with enough accuracy to make a public disclosure about it, just by watching someone play the game, then I say wow.

I've seen a bunch of other 3rd party games running at various times, and I can't tell you the *native* resolutions of those either.

So me, I'm not making that claim. I'm sorry if you think that's a job requirement.

Never stop.

 

[FroJay]

PS4 baby, feels good to jump off the MS train at the right time. 11 years.....but damn it feels good.

 

[Jinfash]

Look, I get some people claim such amazing eyesight as to be able to instantly distinguish native vs. upscaled when you're in a room watching and enjoying a game demo, despite the fact that it requires normal people access to a direct feed screenshot with very particular sections zoomed up 8x to pixel count, while also making sure you're accounting for other intentional environmental effects that may blur or otherwise impact the image.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=680289&highlight=pixel+counting

But hey, if you're saying you can tell the difference with enough accuracy to make a public disclosure about it, just by watching someone play the game, then I say wow.

I've seen a bunch of other 3rd party games running at various times, and I can't tell you the *native* resolutions of those either.

So me, I'm not making that claim. I'm sorry if you think that's a job requirement.

I think Mortimer's issue lie in the fact you've resorted to arguing whether a normal person can discern the difference or not, which has nothing to do with the core topic (i.e. resolution... the quantitative value). Doing so is, by definition, "side stepping/dancing around the issue." There are better ways of addressing this without breaking NDAs, and it doesn't involve anecdotal evidence.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

How can this even be remotely true, X1's OS is based off of windows 8, which is exceedingly reliable(maybe different for PC users but for tablets and everything else it's incredible and very minimal on the systems). Secondly, doesn't the Xbox One upscale everything to 1080p anyway? So even if this were true it would still be false.

So you are saying let's say something running at 480p up scaled to 1080p would be true 1080p. Got it.

 

[FuturusX]

Why? Think outside of our bubble. I realized the world at large doesn't give a shit about our hobby when I posted about cliffy leaving Epic on Facebook and not a single person knew what the fuck I was talking about. If he can deal with a few angry forum goers and go on about the rest of his day I'd say he could be making easy money. Not everybody cares about this shit like we do.

I'm merely suggesting that his major role at MS is NOT to debunk rumors on NEOGAF. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[SeanR1221]

Eh Albert can't win either way. He stays silent everyone assumes it's confirmation. He gives a non answe, everyone assumes confirmation. He gives an actual answer, he risks getting in trouble.