Could they have done it to increase yield?
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Wii U GPU base specs: 160 ALUs, 8 TMUs, 8 ROPs; Rumor: Wii U hardware was downgraded
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Could they have done it to increase yield?
Nintendo's section is goddamn beautiful. I could imagine Mario dashing across them. Who cares what the represent.
Monkeylord
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Don't Nintendo have a habit of showing tech demo's that run at the "lower" end of the machines power spectrum?
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Mithos
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That chart is going to be misinterpreted so much. We just have to #dealwithit.
PotionBleue
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X & Bayonetta 2 in my eyes are more impressive looking games than the Zelda tech demo, anyway.
So, second part of 2011. And do you think it is realistic that they went for a totally different GPU approx 1 year before launch? Or maybe they tested different configurations all along and in the end decided for the one that was more stable and fitted their requirements?
We are infuriated by their shady practices and THAT is what they spat out to calm the public down ?
bgassassin
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I didn't ask unfortunately. But with clockspeeds not being given, I would expect that to not be given.
Sure if you over-summarize it to the point of changing the context.
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Can someone explain that chart that keeps getting quoted? I am tech dumb.
OG_Original Gamer
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Shin'en responded on their twitter about this saying that they're kits got faster. Could just be referring to clock increases.
The idea that Nintendo really tried going the power route and it didn't work out for them isn't really true I think in the end. With the GameCube I feel they sabotage things on their end with third parties and even customers. There is the color they pick initially for the system (purple and the negative reaction to it was allowed to fester. I really doubt there was any research that said that was a good idea.), the shape of the console, the lack of features (the PS2 and the Xbox could double as DVD players increasing their overall value to the customer (more importantly parents. Two devices in one.)), and disc size which likely played a big role in some games simply not being released even though the system power was there and even the user base being there. GTA San Andreas is one such game that comes to mind. I've always felt at the time it would have sold on the GameCube the way it did on the Xbox. The buyers were there since other third party games did well but storage clearly was an issue there. People like to bring up online but I don't think that matter at all that much during those years other then towards the end.
increased efficiency + modern tech = wii u a bit more powerful than ps360 despite lacking raw power is the takeaway I believe.
Well, for one, things do tend to follow some pattern : While EA and Crytek were keen on developing stuff on Nintendo hardware first, they later on stopped talking about it. We should have received Battlefield 3 in 1080p but instead we got CoD with a 880 x 720 resolution.
Something awkward happened. While we don't have decisive evidence that Nintendo havedownspec-ed the console during the development, having done so could explain many infamous news regarding the console.
bgassassin
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It's giving a comparison of theoretical max fillrate, geometry (I believe that's what prim rate is) and compute. The more important thing is how they are utilized which paper specs can't properly show.
Actually it would have been the first part of 2011 as the Vigil comment I posted came in July. There didn't seem to be any indication of multiple versions being tested out. One thing about Nintendo's characteristics is they have a tendency to overcompensate. Personally I still believe the current case could handle more than what they put in it.
Good point Kenka. I had meant to mention that as well.
It's giving a comparison of theoretical max fillrate, geometry (I believe that's what prim rate is) and compute. The more important thing is how they are utilized which paper specs can't properly show.
Actually it would have been the first part of 2011 as the Vigil comment I posted came in July. There didn't seem to be any indication of multiple versions being tested out. One thing about Nintendo's characteristics is they have a tendency to overcompensate. Personally I still believe the current case could handle more than what they put in it.
Good point Kenka. I had meant to mention that as well.
I haven't actually seen a Wii U in person yet, but how much bigger in overall volume is it than a 13" Macbook?
I ask because there are very tiny laptops out there on the market with far better GPU's, that seem to have their thermals all under control. They're hardly any air vents on a Macbook for example even. I just find it hard to believe that Nintendo failed to engineer something elegantly small and powerful - with all the money and resources they have.
I ask because there are very tiny laptops out there on the market with far better GPU's, that seem to have their thermals all under control. They're hardly any air vents on a Macbook for example even. I just find it hard to believe that Nintendo failed to engineer something elegantly small and powerful - with all the money and resources they have.
That's pretty much how the Zelda tech demos have turned out. There is even an image out there of it showing the tech demos for each system and what the actual games ended up looking like. In all cases significantly better. With the second game on a platform turning out better then the first.
And those laptops cost a minimum of $1000, being generous.
The size, well, it's about the same height as a Wii, with around 30% more bulk towards the back. It is considerably heavier too.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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You aren't seriously saying Wii U should've been GC price b/c it had similarly sized processors, are you? This reminds me of a couple 'o fellas...
Yep, that's some cartoon-level logic right there.
If Nintendo could sell consoles @$1000+ per, I'm sure they could have come up with something really nice.
GameAddict411
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i would like to hear an answer for the above the question, nintendo fucked-up horribly bad to the point where it's not believable anymore.
That or take as much losses as some other players in this industry.
The console is small, as far as we know its reliable (Nintendium), is backwards compatible, streams games to the Gamepad with low latency etc. Maybe that's not something the market cares for overall (because people will still buy it if the games are good regardless, I can't see a person not want it because it's not big enough) but engineering wise it's obviously a difficult task.
GameAddict411
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go see the PS4 teardown thread, while being 10x as powerful as the wii-u and it's still small in size and cheap to make. you don't have to spent $1000 to make it small and powerful.
When you say cheap to make, you mean over $400?
And if you want to match the WiiU's main feature, you have to spend another $200?
So $600.
Double the price of the WiiU
Don't think it would have made a noticeable difference. The main issue when it comes to yield is the eDRAM, because it's not only large, but also difficult to manufacture as it requires additional manufacturing steps.
True.
To be honest, IDK why the wii u's cooling is so poor. I always thought is was just a cost thing. They wanted tiny fans and tiny heat sinks.
Fucken Nintendo, choosing smaller console over power, wtf?
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chill out, games look good, no one buys a nintendo console for horsepower, im happy with my purchase, and will be happy to add the ps4 as its neighbor, your post is borderline meltdown
GameAddict411
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you mean the gamepad? the PS vita remote play is not the main focus nor it is needed to use the PS4, what a silly point to make lol.
And if you want to match the WiiU's main feature
That whole rumor makes very little sense. The system uses a very simplistic cooling solution: plain aluminum heat sink, fan duct, simple axial fan. It would have been no problem whatsoever to come up with a far more efficient thermal design that still fits in the same case - using a larger heat sink and a centrifugal fan for example.
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No. The hardware performance is a joke. I'm glad your so easily please though.
It's not cheap to make, it costs $400. And thats taking into account Sony can subsidize manufacturing costs since they are the hardware manufacturers themselves, Nintendo has to rely on third parties, so it's more expensive for them.
Did you just quote yourself?
Random rumors are evidence now. lol
megabytecr
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Don't understand the meltdowns really over this RUMOR.
This is somewhat confirmation on the numbers that were floating around in the Latte thread. I don't care anymore after seeing by myself what the little console can do plus the gamepad, which is the best feature in the console.
Basically after looking at the games released and coming I am pretty satisfied with the Wii U and its main feature. It is a Nintendo games machine and some cross gen ports in my case are better played on the Wii U, that is all there is to it, I can take some games looking worse but with the gamepad.
This is somewhat confirmation on the numbers that were floating around in the Latte thread. I don't care anymore after seeing by myself what the little console can do plus the gamepad, which is the best feature in the console.
Basically after looking at the games released and coming I am pretty satisfied with the Wii U and its main feature. It is a Nintendo games machine and some cross gen ports in my case are better played on the Wii U, that is all there is to it, I can take some games looking worse but with the gamepad.
Samurai_Heart
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I think the problem is the Wii had clearly died out by the time the Wii U was shown. There was no reason to think a successor would strike the same chord with the public that the original did from 2006-2009. Nintendo were very short-sighted with the Wii U, despite championing the importance of thinking in the long-term. Regardless, since 1080p looks like it won't be such a reality with the next-gen consoles after all, the Wii U may be able to hold its own for a while. It's real problem will be actually getting games ported to it.
Oh, and I've been playing Wind Waker HD, and it's honestly one of the most gorgeous games I've ever seen. Hopefully more HD remakes are coming in the same vain. I'd keep the system around just for those.
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You should do a price chart just for fun.
All that research and development for backwards compatibility, small form factor and a low res tablet with single touch resistive screen and specs that barely keep up with consoles released 7-8 years ago. Only for a low price of $300
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