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[greg400]

So how do they tell another story from this then:

They tell you nothing about generational trends because its just weekly data.

Think you're a bit off track here.

The original discussion was the claim that the PS4 will outsell Wii U's combined sales for December, January and February in two weeks. Then Vita launch week was mentioned, then the decline of home console hardware which related back to handhelds being more popular in Japan. Whether the handheld market or home console is declining, the point is even if they both are that would lead to a reduction in launch sales(which more specifically targets home consoles when talking Japan).

 

[Prince Vultan]

Hmm I don't remember that at all? Full game is on the Vita?

Don't think so. I remember reading there was some Vita companion app for the main game or something.

Game isn't coming out on Vita in full though, that much seems certain at this point.

 

[Weegee]

Unfortunately, I think this a slight hump that will be evened out by next month.

that gif made me giggle

 

[Louis Cyphre]

1500% increase? So much for the myth of there being no such thing as a "system seller".

30,000 extra units, that's huge!

 

[Sendou]

30,000 extra units, that's huge!

Closer to 40K but yeah it really means little at this point. It's all about what kind of momentum they can keep on going forward.

 

[kswiston]

Percent increase is only impressive because the Wii U sold 2k units the week before. Some of this unit increase is coming from depressed sales in the month before these bundles launched. We shall see if the Wii U can stay over 25k next week.

 

[LiquidSolid]

I see, moving that goalpost, first talking about the first year, now talking about lowest weekly sales. But after the first full year they both will be at about the same LTD.

What. Moving goal posts? I was always talking about weekly figures.

The only goal posts that are being moved here are the ones you're hauling around trying to compare numbers that aren't representative of how well the Wii U's actually been selling in the long term. You're deliberately using figures that are misleading. 62% of the Wii U's LTD were from its first month and it's been selling pathetically ever since.

I can play that game too, if you like. Compare the PS3's 2007 YTD of 1.2 million versus the Wii U's 486k current 2013 YTD.

I think the Wii U will carve out its own niche audience and be a pretty good system (just like the GC) but the idea that it's doing well compared to the PS3 or that it's going to suddenly recover and smash the PS4 are pipe dreams.

 

[The Hermit]

I doubt it will surprass 15k next week.

Sony is doing the right thing with Vita: every week they are launching something interesting to keep the momentum.

 

[Davey Cakes]

30,000 extra units, that's huge!

An increase is an increase. And, if it's sustainable, even better.

No one expects the Wii U to put up big numbers anymore, as in hundreds of thousands of units each month. But, we're all looking out for the trends and seeing if "momentum" is even possible, even if that momentum means nothing more than hitting 30,000 units a week while being able to sustain it (rather than dropping below 10k like it did previously).

The Wii U is in rough shape but at this point we all just want to see some consistency. Upward trends would be good too but you take what you can get.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

An increase is an increase. And, if it's sustainable, even better.

No one expects the Wii U to put up big numbers anymore, as in hundreds of thousands of units each month. But, we're all looking out for the trends and seeing if "momentum" is even possible, even if that momentum means nothing more than hitting 30,000 units a week while being able to sustain it (rather than dropping below 10k like it did previously).

The Wii U is in rough shape but at this point we all just want to see some consistency. Upward trends would be good too but you take what you can get.

I don't want the Wii U to fail but I am not surprised one bit it's struggling. Too sustain momentum they need to have constant software support. They simply cannot keep that momentum going all on their own.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Cool. Only 8.4 Mio sales needed to reach their targets.

 

[JawzPause]

Vita is doing decent too it seems

 

[kswiston]

An increase is an increase. And, if it's sustainable, even better.

No one expects the Wii U to put up big numbers anymore, as in hundreds of thousands of units each month. But, we're all looking out for the trends and seeing if "momentum" is even possible, even if that momentum means nothing more than hitting 30,000 units a week while being able to sustain it (rather than dropping below 10k like it did previously).

The Wii U is in rough shape but at this point we all just want to see some consistency. Upward trends would be good too but you take what you can get.

Vita fans have had to learn this the hard way, but a sales spike after the release of a desirable bundle or game says nothing about future sustainable sales. With the holidays coming up, it would be hard for the Wii U to go back to its usual 5-10k a week sales, but we won't have any real idea about the system's sustained sales level until the end of January. That said, a spike to 38k likely means that the baseline number is well under 30k.

 

[Davey Cakes]

I don't want the Wii U to fail but I am not surprised one bit it's struggling. Too sustain momentum they need to have constant software support. They simply cannot keep that momentum going all on their own.

Well they're obviously trying since the games and bundles are coming and the library is building over time.

There was a spike with Pikmin 3. A spike with Wind Waker. A spike with Wii Party U bundle. The holiday season with Super Mario 3D World and Wii Fit should keep up some kind of momentum. Then next year there's Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, and Smash.

And I'm just talking about the heavy hitters. If these games alone are spaced properly, they could keep things going for the next several months at least. Other games and better Nintendo marketing campaigns will help as well. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out. Nintendo increasing mindshare for the Wii U is what's important above all.

 

[kinggroin]

The good start isn't Nintendo's problem. Its maintaining that bump with continued steady support. Its not going to happen without 3rd party support.

Expect numbers to drop drastically after Mario's release.

 

[batbeg]

When does Mario come out in Japan?

 

[DieH@rd]

When you have nothing and increase it 1500%.... that is still nothing.


They need more games. One party game is not enough.

 

[fred]

We have a Media Create thread for this every week. Holidays and Mario should give WiiU some stability, but next year and after next gen is in full effect it will be dead again. Count on it.

Next year they have Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8 to continue momentum as well as more Wii U Sports Club games. And then you've got the likes of Yarn Yoshi, X, Bayonetta 2, SMT x Fire Emblem, SSBU and whatever Megatons they have ready for next year's E3 to take into account.

I think the PS4 and One are going to have serious problems selling after Christmas when they both suffer their own inevitable post-launch software droughts combined with their higher price points, people being skint after Christmas and us still being in the middle of the worst worldwide recession seen in donkeys years.

 

[Ty4on]

Vita is doing decent too it seems

Riding on the wave from the redesign and will hopefully get another boost by God Eater 2 and maybe Vita TV.

 

[Captainsweatpants]

B-but the casuals like ipads now

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Well they're obviously trying since the games and bundles are coming and the library is building over time.

There was a spike with Pikmin 3. A spike with Wind Waker. A spike with Wii Party U bundle. The holiday season with Super Mario 3D World and Wii Fit should keep up some kind of momentum. Then next year there's Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, and Smash.

And I'm just talking about the heavy hitters. If these games alone are spaced properly, they could keep things going for the next several months at least. Other games and better Nintendo marketing campaigns will help as well. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out. Nintendo increasing mindshare for the Wii U is what's important above all.

How are there marketing campaigns? They seemed to have taken a different direction now with Nintendo direct and didn't do a full presentation at E3 either.

Delays and more delays will also hurt the Wii U. Nintendo is notorious for not getting software out in a timely manner. Mario 3D looks awesome but I may wait until Zelda for the Wii U hits before I get one, that could be over a year from now. I just don't see much support down the pipeline coming from 3rd party and the PS3 and XBox 360 will start to fade quickly after this holiday season.

We might expect a $249 Wii U by this time next year, along with some strong software from Nintendo. So they should be fine but in the end I expect Gamecube numbers, nothing even close to Wii numbers or even PS3 and XBox 360 overall numbers.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Good for them.

 

[Pie and Beans]

When does Mario come out in Japan?

21st November. 11 days. Early store rankings and that kind of anecdotal stuff is painting a worryingly low picture but we'll see if Nintendo's marketing campaign can ramp things way up.

Many are preparing themselves for the lowest selling 3D Mario.

 

[gogogow]

What. Moving goal posts? I was always talking about weekly figures.

The only goal posts that are being moved here are the ones you're hauling around trying to compare numbers that aren't representative of how well the Wii U's actually been selling in the long term. You're deliberately using figures that are misleading. 62% of the Wii U's LTD were from its first month and it's been selling pathetically ever since.

I can play that game too, if you like. Compare the PS3's 2007 YTD of 1.2 million versus the Wii U's 486k current 2013 YTD.

I'm moving goalposts? Lol, I want to see the receipts. I can quote all your posts in this thread. First it was first year sales, then you said it was about weekly sales, now it's about 2007 YTD...lol.

So what about how many percentage were from first month or not? Those sales don't count? YTD is YTD, you can't say it's "misleading" just because adding those would give you the same amount of sold units compared to the PS3. There's is no "deliberately or misleading" figures. I was only stating the Wii U LTD sales of a 12 months period, which would be around the same figure as PS3's. Just the 12 months figure. Nothing less, nothing more.
Man, I don't even know why i'm talking about YTD, it was never about that...

You obviously don't know how to play "that game". Do you know what "year to date" even means? PS3 2007 YTD is up to November 2nd week. Which would be 844k. 1.18m would be 2007 LTD.

 

[Road]

So it begins.

Those so called analysts are about to eat their words as it is Wii U's time to shine. With the best holiday lineup featuring gigantic hits like Super Mario 3D World, Monster Hunter Frontier G, Call of Duty: Ghost, and Taiko Drum Master the Wii U will destroy the PS3, Vita, Vita TV, PSP, and 360 combined. Then it'll get embarrassing when PS4 launches to no success as Nintendo counters with the highly anticipated Mario Kart 8, New Super Smash Bros, and Bayonetta 2. Sony's done in Japan.

You joke, but that is true.

 

[Darksol]

Well, it's a massive increase, so that's a good thing. Those figures need to remain sustainable for more than a couple of weeks though, which I'm not sure if they will. I'm hoping, though.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Uh, why are people celebrating? That's still pretty terrible. Plus we don't know if its even going to sustain. Wii U people sounding like the Vita guys in here now.

 

[kswiston]

We had a discussion in last week's media create thread about sales of Nintendo consoles in Japan during their first year vs LTD total. Here are some figures:

Gamecube sold 39% of its total sales in Japan by Week 52

Nintendo 64 had shipped 37% of its total by Week 40 (actual sales would have had a lower percentage of the system's LTD number, but it would be hard to come across those numbers)

Wii had sold 22% of its total by the same point in its lifespan that the Wii U is at, and was at 25% of its total by 52 weeks.


Lets pretend that Wii U continues to sell 30k/week on average for the next 4 weeks (taking it through its first year). That would give it ~1240k sales.

If it followed the Wii's legs, it would end up with an LTD just under 5M

If it followed the Gamecube's legs, it would end up with an LTD just under 3.2M

N64 legs would probably put it somewhere between those two totals.

At this point, Sega Saturn numbers would probably be a best case scenario, unless this is by far the least front loaded Nintendo system of the last 20 years.

 

[King_Moc]

Still pretty bad. Needs to be averaging over 50,000 a week, really. Hopefully 3D World and Mario Kart help. I think Smash Bros doesn't do much in Japan (could be wrong though).

 

[SmokyDave]

B-but the casuals like ipads now

Damn, you scooped the 'total lack of perspective' award. I thought for sure I'd win that this year.

Oh well, better start on next years award.

2014 - Year of the Vita!

 

[kswiston]

Still pretty bad. Needs to be averaging over 50,000 a week, really. Hopefully 3D World and Mario Kart help. I think Smash Bros doesn't do much in Japan (could be wrong though).

3D world is shaping up to not be much of a seller. SSB Brawl outsold every 3D mario game in Japan (3D Land for 3DS will probably crawl past it in a few years though). SSB Melee was the best selling gamecube game in Japan, and I believe the only title to crack 1M sold on that system.

 

[gogogow]

Uh, why are people celebrating? That's still pretty terrible. Plus we don't know if its even going to sustain. Wii U people sounding like the Vita guys in here now.

I don't know if people did and we don't know if it will keep selling like this or go back to the usual weekly sales, but If people wished to, why not?

The Wii U or any console selling better after having a rough time is always a good thing imo. I wouldn't want any of the consoles to die out. Look at what happened with the XO after Sony announced they won't do any DRM stuff, 24/72 hour online requirement etc. Look at Sony fixing the triggers, look at Nintendo adding DA clickable sticks etc. etc.
Competition is good.

 

[valouris]

I can see it hitting 100k the week 3D world is out, but I don't really know if that is much at all.

 

[The Hermit]

We had a discussion in last week's media create thread about sales of Nintendo consoles in Japan during their first year vs LTD total. Here are some figures:

Gamecube sold 39% of its total sales in Japan by Week 52

Nintendo 64 had shipped 37% of its total by Week 40 (actual sales would have had a lower percentage of the system's LTD number, but it would be hard to come across those numbers)

Wii had sold 22% of its total by the same point in its lifespan that the Wii U is at, and was at, and was at 25% of its total by 52 weeks.


Lets pretend that Wii U continues to sell 30k/week on average for the next 4 weeks (taking it through its first year). That would give it ~1240k sales.

If it followed the Wii's legs, it would end up with an LTD just under 5M

If it followed the Gamecube's legs, it would end up with an LTD just under 3.2M

N64 legs would probably put it somewhere between those two totals.

At this point, Sega Saturn numbers would probably be a best case scenario, unless this is by far the least front loaded Nintendo system of the last 20 years.

Good Lord.
There goes any hope for a decent fighter like Street Fighter or 3rp party games at all... *sigh*

 

[zroid]

It wasn't really unexpected because its sales had been plummeting to unseen lows in the weeks leading up to the bundles' release. Obviously people were actively holding out on buying a Wii U. This week was more like catching up with lost sales from previous weeks than suddenly taking a big leap.

 

[gogogow]

I can see it hitting 100k the week 3D world is out, but I don't really know if that is much at all.

It's hard to predict, the holiday sales are also starting etc., but I think with only 3D World and no pricecut, I think the Wii U is still a hardsell. The Wii U sold well last week, because people were holding off for weeks to get the new bundles. If Nintendo had the 3DS combo, Mario platformer and Mario Kart I could see the Wii U as a more desired console.

 

[Parakeetman]

One thing though its not like this is actually going to matter much as there still isnt all the much developer support for the system here.

 

[evilromero]

Sales also surpassed PS2 as well I hear.

And the GameCube.

 

[Neff]

Good Lord.
There goes any hope for a decent fighter like Street Fighter or 3rp party games at all... *sigh*

Saturn actually did alright in Japan, mostly because of Virtua Fighter, but there were enough consoles sold there to ensure a huge, diverse library. Whether Wii U can reach that level of popularity in its native country remains to be seen, but it should ultimately do better worldwide than Saturn did.

An increase of 3rd party, particularly Japanese 3rd party participation isn't unlikely once the Wii U gains some momentum, which it finally seems to be getting, and the limp dick debut of PS4/XBone isn't doing anything to hurt its chances for the time being, moreso in Japan, where it's likely that both consoles will have an invisible presence for some time.

But there really are still a lot of unknowns for all three platforms at this point.

 

[Azure J]

Well, that's interesting, but let's see if they can maintain this newfound momentum.

there go kyons delivering shade like someone ordered it

here for that royalans tag-team, its not the same without ya'll representin

Personally, my money's always on the Shion-Jordan N tag duo doing work.

 

[gogogow]

Saturn actually did alright in Japan, mostly because of Virtua Fighter, but there were enough consoles sold there to ensure a huge, diverse library. Whether Wii U can reach that level of popularity in its native country remains to be seen, but it should ultimately do better worldwide than Saturn did.

An increase of 3rd party, particularly Japanese 3rd party participation isn't unlikely once the Wii U gains some momentum, which it finally seems to be getting, and the limp dick debut of PS4/XBone isn't doing anything to hurt its chances for the time being, moreso in Japan, where it's likely that both consoles will have an invisible presence for some time.

But there really are still a lot of unknowns for all three platforms at this point.

By the time 3rd parties are actually making games and the time it takes before they are released, it's already way too late. Nintendo almost has no 3rd party support in Japan, it's even worse than Western 3rd party support, can you believe it? Konami has nothing, never had. SE only DQX, Capcom was it's strongest partner, but after RE:R there's nothing, maybe MH4 HD. Bamco has Taiko, pretty big IP in Japan, so that's good. Sega, well there was Sonic, we know how that went. But as you can see, it's not much. The smaller studios rather work on Vita games. I think the Wii U will primarily be a Nintendo box. Nintendo will have to work it's ass off to support it.

 

[kswiston]

Saturn actually did alright in Japan, mostly because of Virtua Fighter, but there were enough consoles sold there to ensure a huge, diverse library. Whether Wii U can reach that level of popularity in its native country remains to be seen, but it should ultimately do better worldwide than Saturn did.

An increase of 3rd party, particularly Japanese 3rd party participation isn't unlikely once the Wii U gains some momentum, which it finally seems to be getting, and the limp dick debut of PS4/XBone isn't doing anything to hurt its chances for the time being, moreso in Japan, where it's likely that both consoles will have an invisible presence for some time.

But there really are still a lot of unknowns for all three platforms at this point.

With the exception of the Monster Hunter port, third parties have seen almost exclusively bad sales on the Wii U in Japan. I doubt you will see much of an increase in support this coming year.

 

[LiquidSolid]

I'm moving goalposts? Lol, I want to see the receipts. I can quote all your posts in this thread. First it was first year sales, then you said it was about weekly sales, now it's about 2007 YTD...lol.

So what about how many percentage were from first month or not? Those sales don't count? YTD is YTD, you can't say it's "misleading" just because adding those would give you the same amount of sold units compared to the PS3. There's is no "deliberately or misleading" figures. I was only stating the Wii U LTD sales of a 12 months period, which would be around the same figure as PS3's. Just the 12 months figure. Nothing less, nothing more.
Man, I don't even know why i'm talking about YTD, it was never about that...

You obviously don't know how to play "that game". Do you know what "year to date" even means? PS3 2007 YTD is up to November 2nd week. Which would be 844k. 1.18m would be 2007 LTD.

This is a dumb joke, right? Did you even read my post?

It was NEVER first year sales, YOU were the one that brought those up from the very beginning. You ASSUMED that I was talking about them and were wrong. And when I brought up YTD sales, I wasn't using them as a serious comparison, I was using them to point out how misleading and irrelevant both the LTD and YTD figures were (hence "this game" because the game was obviously to bring up misleading and irrelevant data).

When talking about how well something is selling, you don't just look at one data set because that can easily be misleading (otherwise I may as well look at the PS2's LTD sales and say it's doing really well), you look at how it's doing on a regular basis. And in that case, am I not correct? On a regular basis, the PS3 was doing much better than the Wii U, right?

And your correction of my figures makes no fucking sense. The PS3 2007 YTD is up to November 2nd week? Why? Either you're starting the year from launch (which would tell me you're the one that doesn't know what year to date means) or you're balancing it out to directly compare with the Wii U (which would be fair but the way you worded it sure as hell didn't make it sound like that was your motive). Either way, I'm still not wrong and your attack on me over that is fucking stupid.

I don't know why I'm bothering with this, honestly. You've already proven that you're not interested in actually reading what I'm saying or arguing like an adult, you're only interested in being a pedant, twisting my words and insulting me to try and "win" for whatever ridiculous reason.

 

[Memino]

If they have a steady stream of first party titles next year, and that's a big if because we don't even know when mario kart or smash bros will hit, they could do well. No way they'll hit those insane targets but they could do gamecube levels which at this point would be welcome.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Or words that show (quite reasonable) uncertainty. Because being certain of success OR failure at this point is kind of silly.

But those chiming in about an epic failure seem to be the loudest, most frequent and most vociferous in their opinions. So you'll forgive me if I take the moment to remind them that their opinions aren't the word of law, no matter how frequently it's repeated as such.

Uh huh, reasonable uncertainty. Sure.

I'm firing up the ovens now. We might have a lot of crow and humble pie to start making in short order.

 

[The Mana Legend]

It's still selling a lot better than the Wii U.

"A lot better." LMAO

 

[PerZona]

Ugh the sales are still bad anyway. I wonder how will the Wii U sales be like when PS4 gets released in Japan.

 

[kswiston]

"A lot better." LMAO

The meaning of "A lot better" is open to semantics, but Vita is leading Wii U year-to-date ~850k sales to ~510k sales. I'd say that 67% higher sales in the first 10 months of the year is significant.

 

[DR2K]

Holy shit it beat the 360 in Japan?!

 

[clem84]

Where's that coffin gif?

EDIT

perfect