Dictator93
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I can see AF problems from that distance.
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Anisotropic Filtering and next-gen: Why is it still absent?
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I can see AF problems from that distance.
Davis_McGee
Member
Then you should thank the gods above for your stupendously good eyesight, and feel a slight pang of regret at being an outlier that developers are likely never going to cater for. Real shame, isn't it?
cormack12
Gold Member
I think the real question on the below is what the hell is wrong with attackers right leg.
Certain character shadows are inconsistent or missing as well.
Yeah, AF isn't a minor pixel-scale precision thing. Standard mipmapping with no AF results in some oblique-angled surfaces having several times lower detail frequency than they should be using.
Standard viewing distances with 1080p TVs don't come even close to hiding it. Not even with a 1080p source.
I can see it too. Had an eye test the other week and my eyesight is ok but not exceptional.
Ricerocket
Member
You may want to go get your eyes checked. AF makes a huge difference no matter where you are. Standing 10ft away isn't going to change that.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Does not take superhuman vision to see something so obvious.
I'm at work all day or I would.
Not sure what you're talking about. My video card has barely half the GPU memory bandwidth of the PS4. It has fewer shaders. It is clocked lower. Yet I can do 1080 with 16xAF in every game. If it costs them 2 or 3 frames, then simply drop down a setting less noticeable. AF is very, very noticeable.
Also, no 10ft+ argument, please. Let's not be stupid and assume a) that you can't see AF from the couch and b) no console gamers sit close to their displays. Both are wrong.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
AF is obviously PC exclusive.
just joking, kinda
This is what has me the most confused. The PS4 has plenty of bandwidth now, more than enough to handle high levels of AF.
The devs are spending that extra bandwidth on other things. Such as blurring the hell out of a perfectly crisp image.
Broder Salsa
Banned
Just make it third person and move the camera higher up, won't notice it then.
Dictator93
Member
Ultra aggressive depth of field in a game isn't always a greater bandwidth hog, depending on what it is its covering. Sometimes it could be implemented to cover up a lack of draw distance or aliasing for example. So whilst DoF is an expensive addition in itself, it might be less costly than implementing greater draw distances, geometry, more advanced AA solutions etc.
Solid advice!
For sure. I was attempting a joke by oversimplifying the situation. The point being that AF seems to be low on the list of priorities for devs, and that they, seemingly, spend that bandwidth doing other things (sometimes even sacrificing a sharper image for a more distorted one).
I'm sending this to R* for GTA VI.
Dictator93
Member
ps4
Seriously?
Seriously, if a were an artist and someone from my team came to me and said "why don't we add some dof three meters from the pg, or some chromatic aberration here and there, and what about some lens flare and dirt filter even if out pg doesn't wear glasses and we're not in a car?" I'd fire him on the spot.
The colors in that screenshot look very off, as if the color quality is downsampled. I wouldn't put much stock in that image.
You'd do well at Dice.
Codeblew
Member
If you were an artist, you wouldn't have the authority to do jack shit. You would do what you were told or look for another job.
lemmykoopa
Junior Member
Tweeted to the technical art director of Killzone Shadow Fall and he confirmed me there is AF in Shadow Fall. Also using FXAA and TMAA.
angular graphics
Banned
^ The sharpened upscaling going on reminds me of cam pirated movies upscaled and "enhanced" to be sold as legit DVDs. aka looking like crap.
Can we tweet the Sucker Punch's technical art director too? :lol
lightchris
Member
Well... this is from the dead rising 3 thread, uh... that's that i guess.
That's what? Honestly I think it is really hard to tell from this screenshot how much AF is used.
Dictator93
Member
What exactly do you mean by "force more stuff down the pipeline" in this context? You need more texture samples, but those should be covered pretty well by the texture cache.
(Obviously it's not "free", nothing is, but I really think that the performance impact is low enough that it's never not worth it)
VFX_Veteran
Banned
This. Just saying you have it doesn't mean much. How much is the question.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
4xAF already means a lot and is far better than not having it at all. I don't think I ever go above 8x in games on PC because I literally can't see the difference.
Here's what 4x looks like compared to 16x, difference is however more visible in higher resolution.
Well yeah, you'd probably get more input lag by locking down to 30FPS? I thought this is what people probably refer to by the 'feel of 60FPS', because even if not every frame is always displayed, the controls remain more responsive.
I also think the forza side is uspcaled to match the physical vehicle size of the PC shot (which obviously uses more AA, but still forza won't look that janky at all because there won't be any uprezing on a 1080p TV)
I was trying to express my inability to describe such an horrible screenshot.
The thing is that anisotropic is probably the smallest problem on this game.
But if we focus on it, i think that it's pretty clear the lack of texture filtering looking at the road on the right.
In other screens is more difficult because everything is a blurry mess... This one is still a mess, just not as blurry.
lightchris
Member
I think it would look worse if there was no AF at all. But yeah, it looks messy. If someone told me it was a 360 game, I might have believed him.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Jesus H Christ at that DF3 screen. Aside that it looks like someone puked it out, you can still see some texture blur on the ground further down the ground. Might be 2xAF or 4x maybe?
That's really the very least of its problems though. Whoever is in charge of adding that edge enhancement to XB1 games must be blind. BF4 first and now this. Ryse doesn't use it and looks so much better for it.
That's really the very least of its problems though. Whoever is in charge of adding that edge enhancement to XB1 games must be blind. BF4 first and now this. Ryse doesn't use it and looks so much better for it.
Dictator93
Member
Well, there you are:
1-4x usually
Really cool though that the AF is on a per shader artist basis.
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