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Ryse: Son Of Rome |Reviews| It's going to be a bloodbath!
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I'm looking forward to Ryse more than the next guy I'm sure, but man, that Kotaku review. . . . Talk about mixed messages.
I find it weird how focussed it was on what the reviewer brought to the game, I get that you can learn the animations and anticipate the button prompts but let's be honest. That's hardly how the combat was designed right? Can the prompts be turned off? That would be a different story.
I have a lot of fun with objectively terrible games all the time but that's me bringing something to the table that wasn't accounted for in the design process. I mean, I've played Tenchu Z for over 200 hours but I'd hardly recommend it to someone else.
I find it weird how focussed it was on what the reviewer brought to the game, I get that you can learn the animations and anticipate the button prompts but let's be honest. That's hardly how the combat was designed right? Can the prompts be turned off? That would be a different story.
I have a lot of fun with objectively terrible games all the time but that's me bringing something to the table that wasn't accounted for in the design process. I mean, I've played Tenchu Z for over 200 hours but I'd hardly recommend it to someone else.
tfur
Member
I don't really need the thought police telling me how I need to interperate video podcasts, or those who are presenting them. If I find the people delivering them too immature or trying to hard to be quirky, I will turn it off. It is my prerogative, as they need to earn me as an audience member. Please, deal with it.
So, I was right. I went ahead and watched the WHOLE Knack "quick look."
There was almost nothing of any real substance. Mostly saying it was repetitive, and a lot of them dying and being upset at unfriendly checkpoints. They seem jaded and part of their own echo chamber. Not impressed.
So I do not see why you would push that video. I was a waste of time to be honest. I have seen better overviews watching Twitch.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Are there going to be achievements for having high scores in the game?
RugbyPlayer
Banned
are their achievements for having the leaderboards top spot in resogun? Stop telling me what every gamer plays for, there are plenty out there who play only for leaderboards and not achievements or trophys, there are other gamers who play for achievements, there are gamers who play for story, and there are gamers who want to just jump into a hack and slash when they only have 30 minutes to spare anyways
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I'm not telling you anything. I'm asking.
Well said. He completely went left field with that shit.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
I came for the funnies and now i'm leaving wondering what's wrong with me because I don't despise KZ:SF ...
I know i'm not done with it yet but.. im actually enjoying it. Should i see a doctor gaf?
I would have liked to see this game as a Kinect super star. Seems like a no brainer to have at least ONE of your launch titles be a hardcore gamer focused kinect showcase. At the very least then you could have something special about this game instead of just 'It's bland. It's short. it's pretty."
Maybe they saw how the motion control was coming along and it was not good? Anyone have the behind the scenes on why the change was made?>
I know i'm not done with it yet but.. im actually enjoying it. Should i see a doctor gaf?
I would have liked to see this game as a Kinect super star. Seems like a no brainer to have at least ONE of your launch titles be a hardcore gamer focused kinect showcase. At the very least then you could have something special about this game instead of just 'It's bland. It's short. it's pretty."
Maybe they saw how the motion control was coming along and it was not good? Anyone have the behind the scenes on why the change was made?>
ChosenPredator
Banned
I can't wait to try tonight to see if the combat is poopoo in my hands, the reaction i saw on the knack reviews i would of figured it was poopoo but the game is beautiful and super fun - I am going in blind though because if i read reviews I'll just constantly focus on trying to see the negatives lol
SenjutsuSage
Banned
You gotta be kidding me if this is what people are making a fuss over. The performance during sword and shield combat on the outside where the war is going on is consistently in the 26-30fps range with many ally and enemy AI on screen fighting amongst themselves. There's a lot going on in this scene. Performance even goes above 30fps to 32fps a few times, sometimes lingering at 30. This is especially true of the fight on the inside where it's quite regularly in the stable 30-32 fps range, with minor dips to 28 during regular combat.
In fact, from what I noticed, framerate tends to dip most often to the 24-26 range specifically when you enter into the slo motion executions, where the framerate is of far less importance since the entire world is purposely slowed down around the player to begin with. All one has to do is look at the smoothness of everything when in an execution to know that framerate isn't a problem in those situations, which makes the performance criticisms a little misleading, because there's no differentiation being made between regular combat and the slo mo executions. It dips to 26 and very briefly to 24 when he's fighting an opponent surrounded by a wall of flames, but the dip to 24 literally happens at the triggering of the slo mo execution, and then the entire execution actually plays out at a speed of 28fps. This specific instance barely looks like it lasted a second. Framerate becomes it's absolute worst in the whole video at the very moment the player is completing the arrow gun sequence, right before the player gets knocked off as a result of all the flaming boulders raining down on the crowded battlefield, a point in which player input was no longer necessary, since at that point you literally have nothing left to do but wait to be transitioned directly into a cutscene. That's what's going on during the famous 16fps moment people talk about. The player, having already successfully defended everything and completed his objective, is now watching a scripted flaming boulder sequence before it sends you into a cutscene where you have zero control. I'm stunned this is controversial. A sequence where the player's actions were now 100% irrelevant.
Performance was most consistently in the 24-26 range during the arrow gun shooting sequence while the player is overlooking a huge, ongoing battle between countless enemy and friendly ai, with flaming arrows flying through the air, fires burning all over, and multiple thick, black plumes of smoke going off into the air. At no other point in this entire video was performance consistently any worse than this when it mattered, and it happened not while doing the sword and shield combat that surely compromises the heavy majority of the gameplay in this game, but during a moment when the player was overlooking a crowded battlefield with what seemed like easily 50-100 AI streaming in for the fight. Hardly a condemnation of the performance for a game that's mostly about its sword and shield combat. This was with me doing some hardcore nitpicking. I was under the impression that performance was judged on how much of an adverse effect, or lack there of, it had on your ability to play the game. At no point in this entire video does performance ever approach dire enough levels to affect the player's performance.
Lastly, don't forget that it's impossible to fail the executions, so why would a blip in framerate when they're triggered even matter, especially when they're so smooth and in slo motion to begin with? Clearly if you plan to get the timing right for the prompts, framerate isn't an issue for doing that based on available footage. Even negative reviews don't seem to knock the game for this, at least none I've read.
I got to play knack quite a bit at a friend's, and I liked it. So did my friend. So, I don't know, maybe a game having its simplicities doesn't bother me as much as it does others.
NoirVisage
Banned
and you guys seem to spend more time complaining about the guys trolling and complaining than playing the actual game..and what?
RugbyPlayer
Banned
Well nobody can really play the game yet so theres gotta be some other way to pass the time
plasmawave
Banned
Damn, his ancestor was in a bad game.
Chobel
Member
#dead
That fake smile is amazing. Switches straight back to demoralised almost instantly.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Many people agreed with the negative Knack reviews. Some people are disagreeing with the Ryse reviews. Almost no one actually thinks a bad game in either launch lineup is indicative of the system's broader prospects. Even given that launch titles are rarely revolutionary it appears that Knack and Ryse are, by consensus, shaping up to be bad eggs (of course someone can disagree with consensus).
I'm sorry that you made what you consider to be a poor purchase decision, but I'm not really sure why you are complaining about people talking about Ryse's reception in a thread about Ryse's reception and instead making it about the consoles as a whole. You could easily resell your PS4 for MSRP or a little higher if you feel the Xbox One is a better decision for you.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!
Bottom teeth in front of top teeth, only a true monster smiles like that.
Note the high-res texture work on both the armour and the Forever 21 polka-dot print.
Definitive sign of shared ancestry.
You put yourself in a magical loop, first trolling of any kind should be squashed, raising concerns about it is everyone's duty, second Mike has played the game and is speaking from hindsight, he is in a position to voice his opinion based on his playtime, a position better than most here.
Lol wtf
foamdino
Member
Knack seems to be getting some interest from people watching twitch streams. If Ryse was streamed would it also gain some ground?
I watched some of the polygon stream and I thought Ryse looked pretty good - but I can definitely see it becoming repetitive.
I think for publishers, streaming may start becoming much more important than metacritic this gen. If your game looks crap on streams, then it's going to have a much bigger impact than initial reviews.
I watched some of the polygon stream and I thought Ryse looked pretty good - but I can definitely see it becoming repetitive.
I think for publishers, streaming may start becoming much more important than metacritic this gen. If your game looks crap on streams, then it's going to have a much bigger impact than initial reviews.
Rey
Member
Its ok bro.
NoirVisage
Banned
what are you even talking about?
Well the game has more combat moves and I really doubt it has a smaller enemy variety than Arkham Asylum (which has normal, armored, knife thugs and titans - normal thugs can use stun rods, pipes and guns). So if you just look at the combat part of the game I wouldn't be surprised if the game was just as deep or deeper than AA
SniperHunter
Banned
Anyway I told you all about this game. Crysis 3 was really really poor and bland. It is one of the worst FPS games I have ever played. I knew this game wouldn't be good. Crytek is a crap studio now. I really doubt MS or EA will given them any more publishing deals in the future.
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
2 posts since joining in June & only to talk about how great Ryse is?
Someone pointing out that it's poor form to bring insults about how "stupid" someone sounds without addressing the reason they were brought into the conversation in the first place is not anything close to pushing that point of view on you. And calling someone the "thought police" when they bring something up in a discussion is a simplistic way to avoid actually responding. You still seem to be under the impression I'm saying "you must love reviewer Y" or "X game is terrible." I've said neither of those things, but you're responding as if I have while ignoring my actual words. If you think a response is necessary, I'm happy to keep going, but the few points I tried to rise are already overstated as they are (and we're now way deep into off-topic territory). My original curiosity about what you thought about that game is long dead.
SeventhSon
Member
Nelsonius Maior
tfur
Member
So nothing of substance.
I have responded in detail, and it seems you are unable to accept that the only "bad form" is of those in the video that causes people to not be willing to sit through an hour of void.
I am sorry, I don't have to align myself with people who act stupid to pretend to be funny. Again, it is not an insult.
Further, it doesn't matter, since the video you pushed was of little value.
IchigoSharingan
Member
can someone make a gif of smashing the A button to do an attack and on every hit it's a bad review score?
*summons El Torro humbly*
*summons El Torro humbly*
NoirVisage
Banned
pulga
Banned
did this guy just put "gud grafix" on the same pedestal as gameplay?
wow
gaming side, you've really gone off the deep end
TheApatheticOne
Member
I don't know, as I've grown older, I know what I like. This looks like something I'll love.
I don't have all the time in the world, so the fact that it's easy is fine by me. I love the setting, apparently the story and voice work is solid, and its a looker. Some of my favorite games in the gen that's fading away include Enslaved, Shadows of the Damned, Folklore, Wolverine Origins and yes, Wanted: Weapons of Fate. Not exactly AAA games.
Reviews are okay by me, I get the issues, just don't think they affect me all that much! Still looking forward to playing this tomorrow!
I don't have all the time in the world, so the fact that it's easy is fine by me. I love the setting, apparently the story and voice work is solid, and its a looker. Some of my favorite games in the gen that's fading away include Enslaved, Shadows of the Damned, Folklore, Wolverine Origins and yes, Wanted: Weapons of Fate. Not exactly AAA games.
Reviews are okay by me, I get the issues, just don't think they affect me all that much! Still looking forward to playing this tomorrow!
Winterfang
Banned
Ryse is so pretty, It's a shame the game is bellow average according to most reviewers.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
You should watch the 45 minute quick look on GiantBomb.
I don't understand the incredibly lazy lumping together of Knack and Ryse. The problems with each game are obviously very different for each title. Ryse has a good challenging combat system that they say is fun, not to mention a unique setting powered by incredible graphics. The fatal problem is that there is nothing else to the gameplay beyond combat which makes it seem really thin in comparison to top tier action games like Batman Arkham or Assassin's Creed. By all accounts from the GiantBomb quick look if a game like Ryse with it's combat and graphics was a big sandbox open world game it could be a great game.
I don't understand the incredibly lazy lumping together of Knack and Ryse. The problems with each game are obviously very different for each title. Ryse has a good challenging combat system that they say is fun, not to mention a unique setting powered by incredible graphics. The fatal problem is that there is nothing else to the gameplay beyond combat which makes it seem really thin in comparison to top tier action games like Batman Arkham or Assassin's Creed. By all accounts from the GiantBomb quick look if a game like Ryse with it's combat and graphics was a big sandbox open world game it could be a great game.
Deified Data
Banned
Fuck, seriously?
dragonelite
Member
It would be one of the better animated ones.
Xenon
Member
So what. You have to start somewhere, right? The fact that people feel the need to question his motives with only 2 posts is crazy.
Just because you prefer those exclusives to Killzone and Resogun doesn't mean everyone will. The PS4 also has superior versions of multiplatform games like AC4 and BF4.
God dayumn, this was beautiful. Well said.
dragonflys545
Member
LOL you for real... Have you ever used any of the gadgets while you're in combat? All this game has in the combat part is block/evade/slash and QTE. Don't even try to compare this to Batman series. That game shits over this like there's no tomorrow. This game doesn't even offer you weapons outside of a sword... That's just dumb.