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[McNum]

Eh, sounds like a natural extension of the competitive scene, really. Been a race to see who can cheat the best without getting caught ever since the first hacked Pokémon appeared. The only mistake this one did was getting caught. Otherwise, it's competitive Pokémon at its finest, here.

As for why I'm not particularly worried about this one ruining wi-fi? It already was ruined. When Pokémon Bank releases and the deluge of hacked Pokémon arrives, it'll be dead for anyone but the hackers.

So, congrats on killing another Pokémon game, I suppose.

 

[MrChocolate]

Eh, sounds like a natural extension of the competitive scene, really. Been a race to see who can cheat the best without getting caught ever since the first hacked Pokémon appeared. The only mistake this one did was getting caught. Otherwise, it's competitive Pokémon at its finest, here.

As for why I'm not particularly worried about this one ruining wi-fi? It already was ruined. When Pokémon Bank releases and the deluge of hacked Pokémon arrives, it'll be dead for anyone but the hackers.

So, congrats on killing another Pokémon game, I suppose.

People take seriously... Pokemon? Wow...

You have to understand that unless Nintendo develops a Pokemon MMORPG, there always will be cheating in these games.

 

[Winterfang]

People take seriously... Pokemon? Wow...

You have to understand that unless Nintendo develops a Pokemon MMORPG, there always will be cheating in these games.

So much fail in one post.

 

[Madao]

People take seriously... Pokemon? Wow...

You have to understand that unless Nintendo develops a Pokemon MMORPG, there always will be cheating in these games.

as if being an MMORPG is gonna make people stop cheating.

they might actually increase since the people who would buy an MMORPG are the most likely to cheat.

 

[KittenMaster]

Eh, sounds like a natural extension of the competitive scene, really. Been a race to see who can cheat the best without getting caught ever since the first hacked Pokémon appeared. The only mistake this one did was getting caught. Otherwise, it's competitive Pokémon at its finest, here.

As for why I'm not particularly worried about this one ruining wi-fi? It already was ruined. When Pokémon Bank releases and the deluge of hacked Pokémon arrives, it'll be dead for anyone but the hackers.

So, congrats on killing another Pokémon game, I suppose.

This new program isn't about getting hacked Pokemon, it's actually about cheating in the battle itself.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

When Pokémon Bank releases and the deluge of hacked Pokémon arrives, it'll be dead for anyone but the hackers.

This actually won't be an issue at all. Since Bank restricts the storage and transfer of Pokémon with illegal stats, moves and abilities, the only "hacked" Pokémon that people will be able to import are those with perfect IVs, natures and movesets. Such Pokémon can be easily bred in the time that it takes to watch a movie in XY, meaning that everyone will be on a relatively level playing field (discounting this stupid dirtbag program for dirtbags, of course).

 

[Qurupeke]

What the heck...

 

[McNum]

This new program isn't about getting hacked Pokemon, it's actually about cheating in the battle itself.

So, they're now cheating in another part of the game.

Of course this needs to be fixed, not arguing against that. I'm just amused by the hypocrisy on display from the competitive players. Suddenly cheating is awful because it's cheating in the part of the game they care about. Well, guess what? It's also awful in every other part of the game. Including the training and raising of Pokémon.

So, yeah, go get 'em Game Freak. Get all the cheaters. Gotta catch 'em all, as it were.

Hopefully this one will make Game Freak beef up the security of the entire game.

 

[JoeM86]

This actually won't be an issue at all. Since Bank restricts the storage and transfer of Pokémon with illegal stats, moves and abilities, the only "hacked" Pokémon that people will be able to import are those with perfect IVs, natures and movesets. Such Pokémon can be easily bred in the time that it takes to watch a movie in XY, meaning that everyone will be on a relatively level playing field (discounting this stupid dirtbag program for dirtbags, of course).

Plus, official tournaments are blocking transferred Pokémon from being used, such as the Dragon King tournament in Japan and the Video Game Championships.

 

[DedValve]

People take seriously... Pokemon? Wow...

You have to understand that unless Nintendo develops a Pokemon MMORPG, there always will be cheating in these games.

These two posts.

These two posts man.

Just...ugh.

 

[McNum]

Plus, official tournaments are blocking transferred Pokémon from being used, such as the Dragon King tournament in Japan and the Video Game Championships.

I am hoping that the Ranked Wi-fi will do the same, to be honest. Kalos natives or Kalos-born only. Would be a fair enough rule to avoid bringing in too much cheese from older games. And that's not even talking about hacked Pokémon there. Some movesets are just plain more powerful than what Kalos can provide. Wipe the online battle board clean-ish, but let people transfer over their old favorites.

 

[Mazzo]

Cheating is cheating, guys. If one player is using hacked pokemon, and the other is using hacked pokemon plus that program, I still disapprove them both equally.

Heck, I might even cheer for the second guy, after all, if cheating is allowed in their game, may the best cheater win.

 

[DigitalOp]

Everyone should keep in kind though...

Its because of Instacheck that this program exists. Be aware of that.

However, this program sucks... Kills the fun out of online... Smh

 

[Clefargle]

No more wifi for me until this shit gets fixed. Is this basically like packet sniffing?

 

[Starwolf_UK]

Everyone should keep in kind though...

Its because of Instacheck that this program exists. Be aware of that.

Proof of this? Does it use source code from Instacheck? Or is this a case of Instacheck proved it was not secure, if Instacheck did not exist nobody would have figured out the packets were not encrypted...in which case let's witch hunt those shiny egg people*.

*-I don't like how people are searching for scapegoats not called Game Freak at this point.

 

[SnakeSlashRO]

FIND AS MANY SHINYS AS YOU CAN, these guys are about to fuck it up for everyone.

 

[ColtraineGF]

Proof of this? Does it use source code from Instacheck? Or is this a case of Instacheck proved it was not secure, if Instacheck did not exist nobody would have figured out the packets were not encrypted...in which case let's witch hunt those shiny egg people*.

*-I don't like how people are searching for scapegoats not called Game Freak at this point.

Yes, it was developed from Instacheck - it's very easy to decompile .net applications if you have the time.

 

[KittenMaster]

Of course this needs to be fixed, not arguing against that. I'm just amused by the hypocrisy on display from the competitive players. Suddenly cheating is awful because it's cheating in the part of the game they care about. Well, guess what? It's also awful in every other part of the game. Including the training and raising of Pokémon.

The degree that the new use of reading data is much more harmful to the average player should they run into a player using it. You will now have to worry about lamer joe more than competitive joe for sure.

Everyone should keep in kind though...

Its because of Instacheck that this program exists. Be aware of that.

It would have been only a matter of time, especially since previous gens already had programs which utilized local networking to manipulate what you could do on your DS.

 

[trixx]

Too many try-hards play pokemon. This is why im not even remotely interested in competitive aspect of the game anymore

 

[theprodigy]

At the same time many people were wondering why so many people ran the timer right down every turn and were getting rather frustrated with it taking so long to finish any matches. Though that common practice probably predated this program and was done just because they can.

pfft
any serious competitive player was spending all their time every turn to begin with

especially when its so easy to make people mad online by doing so

 

[trixx]

pfft
any serious competitive player was spending all their time every turn to begin with

especially when its so easy to make people mad online by doing so

The people who do this is very annoying as well. This is very childish imo, these are not actual tournaments you are facing random people online. What do you gain from doing this?

 

[Kasumin]

Stuff like this only further convinces me to only battle online with people I know. Thankfully I have a group of friends who're very much into battling.

I'm not surprised, though. I've heard about a similar method being used to check the data for eggs, too. People really take their Pokemon playing seriously, lol.

 

[MrChocolate]

So much fail in one post.

k.

as if being an MMORPG is gonna make people stop cheating.

they might actually increase since the people who would buy an MMORPG are the most likely to cheat.

Have you ever tried to cheat in a serious MMORPG? It's not quite as simple as "download free tool free 99x Rare candy"

These two posts.

These two posts man.

Just...ugh.

Just what? Are you telling me that rock paper scisors is truly competitive, too?

 

[DaBoss]

.

You should stop posting about something you have no clue about and don't seem to have any interest in.

 

[Wazzy]

So, they're now cheating in another part of the game.

Of course this needs to be fixed, not arguing against that. I'm just amused by the hypocrisy on display from the competitive players. Suddenly cheating is awful because it's cheating in the part of the game they care about. Well, guess what? It's also awful in every other part of the game. Including the training and raising of Pokémon.

So, yeah, go get 'em Game Freak. Get all the cheaters. Gotta catch 'em all, as it were.

Hopefully this one will make Game Freak beef up the security of the entire game.

Hacked legal pokemon do NOT ruin the competitive scene. That is ridiculous to even suggest.

This program however completely changes it. They now don't have to predict.

 

[theprodigy]

The people who do this is very annoying as well. This is very childish imo, these are not actual tournaments you are facing random people online. What do you gain from doing this?

if you get pissed off because people use their full time allotment in rated battles, you probably shouldn't be playing rated battles

 

[MrChocolate]

You should stop posting about something you have no clue about and don't seem to have any interest in.

Oh wow... I forgot how sensitive are some of you guys.

 

[trixx]

if you get pissed off because people use their full time allotment in rated battles, you probably shouldn't be playing rated battles

i don't play rated battles and thanks for giving me another reason why. People do this in free battles as well

 

[McNum]

Hacked legal pokemon do NOT ruin the competitive scene. That is ridiculous to even suggest.

This program however completely changes it. They now don't have to predict.

And previously they didn't have to breed Pokémon. It's just chopping away another part of the game. Same deal, really. Except now it's bad to use outside "equalizers" for some reason. Just cheat yourself, it's the competitive thing to do.

Also, I love the phrase "hacked legal Pokémon". Oxymorons are fun.

 

[KittenMaster]

Except now it's bad to use outside "equalizers" for some reason.

What is equalizing about Battle Analyzer?

 

[The Shadow Knight]

Welp, time to go on a wi-fi battle hiatus. I'm pretty confident they will be able to patch this though. Of course it will also take out instacheck along with it so those that still have shinies to get better get to it!

EDIT:

Question for McNum: Have you ever played a serious game of pokemon?

 

[McNum]

What is equalizing about Battle Analyzer?

It's free for everyone to use. Just like hacking Pokémon is. Therefore, it's equal. Because when everyone cheats, no one does.

I'm just using the same arguments about this as has been thrown at me when I say hacking Pokémon is cheating. I don't see how this is any MORE cheating than that. It's both using an external tool to hack the game.

 

[entremet]

Too many try-hards play pokemon. This is why im not even remotely interested in competitive aspect of the game anymore

Yeah. Always a cat and mouse game with Pokemon. It's pathetic people go to such lengths to cheat.

 

[DaBoss]

Oh wow... I forgot how sensitive are some of you guys.

Yea, I'm so sensitive, you hurt my feelings.

I was just saying that because you literally don't seem to have any interest in Pokemon, you were surprised people played Pokemon competitively, and you don't seem to understand how it works. Unless you want to know, there really is no point in discussion with you.

And previously they didn't have to breed Pokémon. It's just chopping away another part of the game. Same deal, really. Except now it's bad to use outside "equalizers" for some reason. Just cheat yourself, it's the competitive thing to do.

Also, I love the phrase "hacked legal Pokémon". Oxymorons are fun.

Equalizer? You have to be kidding me. Getting a hacked Pokemon (it isn't even possible right now, and likely won't be for a long time) that passes through checks just gives them a Pokemon that anyone can breed now. Now hacked/cloning Pokemon will undermine trading, but that isn't what this thread is about.

This program destroys battling. It is in no way an equalizer.

I'm just using the same arguments about this as has been thrown at me when I say hacking Pokémon is cheating.

You aren't at all.

 

[Wazzy]

And previously they didn't have to breed Pokémon. It's just chopping away another part of the game. Same deal, really. Except now it's bad to use outside "equalizers" for some reason. Just cheat yourself, it's the competitive thing to do.

Also, I love the phrase "hacked legal Pokémon". Oxymorons are fun.

No other competitive fighter forces you to put hours into creating a team even usable for battling. While I completely agree that X and Y have made breeding and EV training easier, IV's still exist and they're time consuming. I'm someone who has been battling legally and yet I really wouldn't care if people started hacking "legal" pokemon.

The fun of competitive battling in pokemon is your knowledge and skill. This program takes that away completely.

 

[theprodigy]

It's free for everyone to use. Just like hacking Pokémon is. Therefore, it's equal. Because when everyone cheats, no one does.

I'm just using the same arguments about this as has been thrown at me when I say hacking Pokémon is cheating. I don't see how this is any MORE cheating than that. It's both using an external tool to hack the game.

if one person has a fully hacked team and the other does not.....nobody will notice or care
if one person has this battle analyser thing and the other does not, 2nd player is screwed
nice false equivalency though

 

[Starwolf_UK]

Yes, it was developed from Instacheck - it's very easy to decompile .net applications if you have the time.

Right then. Are the 3DS data packets so complicated that were Instacheck not to be made nobody would have any hope?

Plus having the packet is only half the challenge, figuring out the data signals is another.

 

[KittenMaster]

It's free for everyone to use. Just like hacking Pokémon is. Therefore, it's equal. Because when everyone cheats, no one does.

I'm just using the same arguments about this as has been thrown at me when I say hacking Pokémon is cheating. I don't see how this is any MORE cheating than that. It's both using an external tool to hack the game.

A legal hacked Pokemon is generally defined as a Pokemon that could have been obtained though normal game means. Whether or not it is cheating or simply degenerate behavior, we may never know, but can you explain how you can replicate what Battle Analyzer does through in-game means?

 

[upandaway]

Would it be possible to create a program that tells you when the other person made a move, but not tell you what that move was? Then at least people won't wait the full length of the match.

 

[FSLink]

Oh wow... I forgot how sensitive are some of you guys.

Coming into a topic you clearly have no interest in, and having people defend their hobby and you call them "sensitive". I think most people would call that trolling or at least not anything that would contribute to any meaningful discussion.

Would it be possible to create a program that tells you when the other person made a move, but not tell you what that move was? Then at least people won't wait the full length of the match.

What's the point if this other program exists? This is already out there in the open.

It's free for everyone to use. Just like hacking Pokémon is. Therefore, it's equal. Because when everyone cheats, no one does.

I'm just using the same arguments about this as has been thrown at me when I say hacking Pokémon is cheating. I don't see how this is any MORE cheating than that. It's both using an external tool to hack the game.

Absolutely not. Pokemon is entirely based off of prediction, with this program it ELIMINATES THAT. Just because everyone has access and can use it doesn't mean it doesn't ruin the online game.

 

[PK Gaming]

It's free for everyone to use. Just like hacking Pokémon is. Therefore, it's equal. Because when everyone cheats, no one does.

I'm just using the same arguments about this as has been thrown at me when I say hacking Pokémon is cheating. I don't see how this is any MORE cheating than that. It's both using an external tool to hack the game.

You're using disingenuous arguments based on a faulty assumption. You can keep claiming that using hacked Pokemon is equivalent to using the Battle Analyser, but I want you to know that you're completely in the wrong.

Fact: Hacked Pokemon are no more powerful than regular Pokemon. A hacked Tyranitar is no more powerful than my Tyranitar that I bred. I am not disadvantaged in anyway when I play against users that used hacked Pokemon.
Fact: The Battle Analyser gives a significant advantage against your opponent. This is irrefutable. It's tantamount to mind reading.

They are not the same in any way. Stop claiming that they are.

 

[MrChocolate]

Yea, I'm so sensitive, you hurt my feelings.

I was just saying that because you literally don't seem to have any interest in Pokemon, you were surprised people played Pokemon competitively, and you don't seem to understand how it works. Unless you want to know, there really is no point in discussion with you.

I have been playing Pokemon longer than most of you, don't be a condescending a**hole.

Yes. I understand how it works.
No. I don't think it's competitive, because it doesn't require any sort of skill. If grinding and building stats equals skills, and being competitive is based on those skills, then of course it isn't.

When Nintendo finally evolves their outdated turn based battle system to something that actually require skills (which means reflexes, thinking, awareness, among many other things), then let's call it competitive. Otherwise is just rock scisor paper with flashy effects.

PD: Please, if you want to argue something don't reply with a "Oh boy, it's just 2deep4u".

 

[KittenMaster]

Would it be possible to create a program that tells you when the other person made a move, but not tell you what that move was? Then at least people won't wait the full length of the match.

Would be best to just wait for KazoWAR's counter program, which is designed to give confusing information.

EDIT: Hi, forums I'm reading.

 

[FSLink]

I have been playing Pokemon longer than most of you, don't be a condescending a**hole.

Yes. I understand how it works.
No. I don't think it's competitive, because it doesn't require any sort of skill. If grinding and building stats equals skills, and being competitive is based on those skills, then of course it isn't.

When Nintendo finally evolves their outdated turn based battle system to something that actually require skills (which means reflexes, thinking, awareness, among many other things), then let's call it competitive. Otherwise is just rock scisor paper with flashy effects.

So you call out on people for being condescending, but then claim that you've been playing it longer. You're being condescending.

No, you clearly don't. Anybody who plays Pokemon competitively knows it's all based off mindgames and prediction. Calling it just rock papers scissors is incorrect.

Would be best to just wait for KazoWAR's counter program, which is designed to give confusing information.

Yep, sounds like the best solution to this once it's released.

 

[Berordn]

No. I don't think it's competitive, because it doesn't require any sort of skill. If grinding and building stats equals skills, and being competitive is based on those skills, then of course it isn't.

When Nintendo finally evolves their outdated turn based battle system to something that actually require skills (which means reflexes, thinking, awareness, among many other things), then let's call it competitive. Otherwise is just rock scisor paper with flashy effects.

You do realize that the Pokemon metagame is about prediction, mindgames and team synergy more than it is about WATER BEATS FIRE, yes?

The latter may be the basis on which the game is founded, but the amount of strategy that goes into team building and battling is incredible. Grinding eggs and EVs is a short process that doesn't even begin to encompass the competitive aspects.

 

[The Shadow Knight]

I have been playing Pokemon longer than most of you, don't be a condescending a**hole.

Yes. I understand how it works.
No. I don't think it's competitive, because it doesn't require any sort of skill. If grinding and building stats equals skills, and being competitive is based on those skills, then of course it isn't.

When Nintendo finally evolves their outdated turn based battle system to something that actually require skills (which means reflexes, thinking, awareness, among many other things), then let's call it competitive. Otherwise is just rock scisor paper with flashy effects.

PD: Please, if you want to argue something don't reply with a "Oh boy, it's just 2deep4u".

If you want to claim something is not deep enough you ought to have a better understanding of its intrinsicalities.

 

[MrChocolate]

So you call out on people for being condescending, but then claim that you've been playing it longer. You're being condescending as well.

No, you clearly don't. Anybody who plays Pokemon competitively knows it's all based off mindgames and prediction. Calling it just rock papers scissors is incorrect.

Longer than most of you, in case you can't read properly.

Mind you, rock paper scissors is bassed off on mindgames and prediction and, guess what? Is not competitive.

 

[FSLink]

Longer than most of you, in case you can't read properly.

Mind you, rock paper scissors is bassed off on mindgames and prediction and, guess what? Is not competitive.

Still being condescending, doesn't detract from my point. And team building is a lot about Pokemon, and anybody here knows that adds more depth than Rock Paper Scissors. Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[DaBoss]

I have been playing Pokemon longer than most of you, don't be a condescending a**hole.

Yes. I understand how it works.
No. I don't think it's competitive, because it doesn't require any sort of skill. If grinding and building stats equals skills, and being competitive is based on those skills, then of course it isn't.

When Nintendo finally evolves their outdated turn based battle system to something that actually require skills (which means reflexes, thinking, awareness, among many other things), then let's call it competitive. Otherwise is just rock scisor paper with flashy effects.

Sorry I came off as a condescending asshole, didn't mean to come off like that.

The skill comes in outmaneuvering your opponent with strategy. The skill isn't from making a Pokemon with the right moves and stats. Many posts have stated this in this thread.

I'm sorry that you think turn-based games are out-dated. It is a gameplay style that exists and is perfectly viable.

You can watch some videos of competitive Pokemon battles and you'll see it doesn't work like the main story portion of the games. Here's a link to one of the most interesting strategies to pull off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9oQj91kILw

 

[mantidor]

I'm not into Pokemon at all but sending packages without encryption is honestly a major oversight, I would be embarrased if I coded that net code.

Seriously, is not even a complex thing to do, and sending the whole information of the battle before both are ready to your opponent? WAT.