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PS4 fastest-selling console in UK history, outsells Wii U LTD in UK [250K PS4 in 48h]

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FWIW, they sold 600k PS3s in it's launch weekend and 165k were in the UK.

If they hit the same ratio this time then 250k in the UK means about 910k across the EU.

I don't know if they are hitting more countries this time though.

Last time France, Germany, Spain all sold about or just under half what the UK did.

Yeah. I was looking at the Eurozone/UK split the last time around. I'd say that the UK and Germany will shift significantly more units than the last time around and the European launch as a whole will be around that 1m mark. I don't think they were able to restock the US in time for Black Friday, my guess is launch day non preorder demand was significantly higher than they projected. They'll probably restock both regions at a steady rate into Christmas. They've probably manufactured somewhere around 2.5m consoles for launch and as others have said they can manufacture over 1.2m consoles per month as long as they keep the extra line in Japan cranking. Should be more than enough to fill inventory through the rest of their financial year.
 

prwxv3

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I don't follow. Yes, the Wii U had a rough start, but there are signs of a correction taking place. look at how they allowed sqeenix to port all those old dragon quest games to the iphone; your typical forum fanboy would chalk that up as a loss.

but iwata-san is smarter. mobile gamers (and lots of console gamers tbh) have no problem playing retreads, so why not throw them a bone as free advertising for the wii u's upcoming dragon quest x? the mindshare potential is off the charts. when kids playing on ipads/phones get tired of their dull, stickless, buttonless capacitive screens, where are they going to turn?
What are you talking about.
 

Prine

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Boss Man

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I don't follow. Yes, the Wii U had a rough start, but there are signs of a correction taking place. look at how they allowed sqeenix to port all those old dragon quest games to the iphone; your typical forum fanboy would chalk that up as a loss.

but iwata-san is smarter. mobile gamers (and lots of console gamers tbh) have no problem playing retreads, so why not throw them a bone as free advertising for the wii u's upcoming dragon quest x? the mindshare potential is off the charts. when kids playing on ipads/phones get tired of their dull, stickless, buttonless capacitive screens, where are they going to turn?
To Iwata-san. They will turn to Iwata-san.
 
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damn these dudes really want dat Knack
 

curb

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MS should've limited supply to other EU countries and flooded the UK with more Xbox One's. Xbox One is consistently selling £100+ above retail on Ebay in UK. Still soldout everywhere online http://www.stockinformer.co.uk/checker-xbox-one

It seems like America is definitely Microsoft's focus, at least in the short term. If they lose America to Sony overall, that's likely pretty bad for their business. They needed to start strong on their home turf.
 

LAA

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Awesome news, was looking forward to this. Interesting to know UK aren't so restrained to brands as I thought, was thinking whether everyone would just immediately go over to X1 without even researching anything, but seems the UK is smarter than I thought, well done UK!

Ouch about Wii U though, but I completely understand it, it just needs more games period. There have been a few gems this year sure, but in a whole year? Not so much really. Like the PS4 games I have now amounts to half of what I own for Wii U (Though not counting digital downloads for Wii U, but if I did it'd just look worse compared to PS4 digital content)

Next year is good for every console seemingly next year though, Nintendo's biggest hitters, some of Sony's and not so sure about MS, (Apart from Halo/Fable and stuff like quantum break), but I notice a lot of MS's games are new IPs. I appreciate that they're trying new things, but theres no doubt its also risky too.
 
Impressive numbers.

So that's two consoles that have outsold the WiiU's total sales in Europe within a matter of days. I don't think it's unfair to suggest the console is dead in Europe. Mario getting outsold is one thing - Mario not debuting in the top ten is a whole different story. This is very bad, and I see no end in sight.
 

Hasney

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MS should've limited supply to other EU countries and flooded the UK with more Xbox One's. Xbox One is consistently selling £100+ above retail on Ebay in UK. Still soldout everywhere online http://www.stockinformer.co.uk/checker-xbox-one

Looks like the second delivery is coming soon. Most Argos stores are accepting online reservations for 3-4 days from now according to stockinformer.

EDIT: Looks like Lucy the Dog is smacking all consoles about!
 
Recalled this chart from Nintendo's old IR briefings.
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Some interesting points of comparison.

Eyeballing it, it took the Wii about a month and PS3/360 a couple of months to reach 250K, the PS2 about 3 months and the GCN and Xbox about 4 months.
After a year on the market the GCN had sold 500K compared to the current Nintendo system.
 
Impressive numbers.

So that's two consoles that have outsold the WiiU's total sales in Europe within a matter of days. I don't think it's unfair to suggest the console is dead in Europe. Mario getting outsold is one thing - Mario not debuting in the top ten is a whole different story. This is very bad, and I see no end in sight.

It's also dead in Japan only place where it might sell a bit better is USA.
 
Looks like the second delivery is coming soon. Most Argos stores are accepting online reservations for 3-4 days from now according to stockinformer.

EDIT: Looks like Lucy the Dog is smacking all consoles about!

Hopefully for Friday. A few of my mates weren't able to snag one and don't want to pay high prices on eBay or go to CEX and deal with those mouth breathers.
 

GhaleonEB

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I woke up hoping for some sales figures, glad to see some out. 250k is about what I was expecting given Sony's pre-launch comments about being "ready and willing" to break the sales records. PS4 is off to a great start.

The Wii-U is dead in Europe; PD and others hit that one well. That one year head start disappeared within a day of each system's launch. Sad stuff.
 

dream

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It's insane to think that the new flagship Mario game has bombed in 2 territories now. I can't wait till NPD numbers come out to see if Nintendo made a clean sweep.
 

CoG

Member
As expected. I am predicting the PS4 will outsell the Xbone 2:1 in NA and UK and 4:1 in the EU for launch.
 

ffdgh

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It's insane to think that the new flagship Mario game has bombed in 2 territories now. I can't wait till NPD numbers come out to see if Nintendo made a clean sweep.

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if all that new advertising paid off.
 
Nope, it demonstrates that this industry has been invaded completely by the cancer it started on the PS era, people that played videogames because they became "cool" thanks to the CGI.

Outside of a few indie titles, I don't think investing in innovative or well designed gameplay mechanichs is worth it anymore.
Once you have:
1. Graphics
2. Plot
3. Graphics
4. Graphics

Covered, you can forget about everything else. It's a bit what happened on the cinema industry when the CG effects appeared and tons of people wanted that at any cost, but with the difference that the cinema was something cool way before the appearance of the CG effects, and cinema critics were always aware that good CG is something that won't make a movie good.
The difference is that besides 4 or 5 "frikis" videogames were always considered like a regular toy and they weren't considered "mainstream entertainment" until the CGI arrived.

The "videogame critics" are, most of them, a product of this massification, so unlike with what happened with the cinematographic industry, that always had a renowned and recognised expert crowd that always had on mind what make a good film good, on the videogame industry those who care about playability and those things are not only a minority, but also the ones being considered "frikis" or "not cool" by the mainstream.

I eventually will get a PS4 when it has GAMES that are worth it, but this "consumer fever" for mediocre games with "next-gen" graphics demonstrates that this trend is unavoidable.
How many media will give The Last of Us their GOTY 2013? Can anyone tell me what has The Last of Us in terms of gameplay design, or even scenario design, to make it a GOTY? I'll answer that, absolutely nothing.
But it has the best graphics ever made on a PS3 and one of the best plots of the videogame history, and that's more than enough.


This is what I was saying. The WiiU is being sold at a lost right now, but instead of focusing on the chipset, it tried to evolve gaming with a gamepad that that allowed for asymetrical gameplay or other UI innovations.
Why isn't it a "great console"? Because as I said, nothing matters besides polygons to the "mainstream".

I've been saying that for years, the only difference between my aunt who plays Wii-Fit to lose some kilos and the poster I've quoted is that my aunt it's pretty conscious that she doesn't know anything about videogaming and she won't try to influence the industry to go towards a direction where everything are Wii-Fits and the likes.
No, it just means we have more variety now, that the market has broadened, that there all kinds of games for all kinds of people to enjoy. You are like someone who enjoys zombie movies getting mad because someone made a vampire movie for those who enjoy them. You are exactly like someone who wished Nintendo didn't exist because they don't like their games, even though millions of people DO like their games. You should be taking a good look at your own opinions right now and why you are making them. If graphics were all that mattered to all these people you are so happily demeaning, things like Minecraft, WoW or Wii Sports (among many others) wouldn't have been massive hits.

About this whole visuals vs fun thing... just because someone enjoys a great soundtrack or appreciates good camera work, doesn't mean they didn't enjoy other aspects of that particular movie or that they don't or can't enjoy other aspects like the story, characters or dialogue. When it comes to games, it's the same: every aspect adds to the whole experience and people play games they are excited about, regardless of the reason.

You are literally saying that only those who enjoy what you enjoy can be considered real gamers and everyone else is a cancer to this industry, and that's just wrong on so many levels. It also makes me think about all the games and experiences you may have enjoyed but you didn't because you considered them to be part of this "cancer" you talk about. Gaming is supposed to be all about harmless fun.
 

Owzers

Member
It's insane to think that the new flagship Mario game has bombed in 2 territories now. I can't wait till NPD numbers come out to see if Nintendo made a clean sweep.

Should have just released a $299 Mario 3d World special edition bundle.
 

Hasney

Member
Hopefully for Friday. A few of my mates weren't able to snag one and don't want to pay high prices on eBay or go to CEX and deal with those mouth breathers.

Tell them to check online on the Argos website now. If they're close to one of the 222 stores taking reservations for 3-4 days, you can reserve it online now and pay nothing until they're in stock in those 3-4 days.
 
I woke up hoping for some sales figures, glad to see some out. 250k is about what I was expecting given Sony's pre-launch comments about being "ready and willing" to break the sales records. PS4 is off to a great start.

The Wii-U is dead in Europe; PD and others hit that one well. That one year head start disappeared within a day of each system's launch. Sad stuff.


The question is what can Nintendo do about it?

(A) Stick it out and try and eek out some sort of "success" from the Wii U?

(B) Immediately start R&D on a new more "Nextgen" console, drop the Wii U early and try again?

(C) Just say "Fuck it" to the home console market and focus their ganes business around handhelds?

(D) Go third party?
 

ozfunghi

Member
There's a thread about this because there's news about this.

There was a thread about French sales the other day. The Wii U has sold 175K through mid-November. So not faring any better than the UK.

German sales were posted in the PAL charts thread a while back. 160K through end of September. So not faring any better than the UK.

If sufficient quantity has been supplied to France and Germany then in all likelihood the PS4 has outsold the Wii U in those countries in a single weekend as well, which isn't in the grand scheme that spectacular since the latter's sales are horrible.

I'm pretty sure you missed the actual point of my post, as clearly i was not insinuating Wii U is a runaway success. Nintendo sells better in those and many other European countries, relative to the marketplace. UK is not Europe, nor is it the biggest European country. Yet UK topics quickly turn into "lol Nintendo/doom" threads, while even NES and SNES weren't the best selling systems over there iirc. Over 700 million people live in Europe, of which less than 9% in the UK.

Now had Nintendo had less than 9% of marketshare, i'm sure that would be ridiculed instantly.
 
Tell them to check online on the Argos website now. If they're close to one of the 222 stores taking reservations for 3-4 days, you can reserve it online now and pay nothing until they're in stock in those 3-4 days.

PS4?

Shit you were talking about the Bone. Didn't realise.
 

Prine

Banned
Tell them to check online on the Argos website now. If they're close to one of the 222 stores taking reservations for 3-4 days, you can reserve it online now and pay nothing until they're in stock in those 3-4 days.

And to add to this, if you live in west london, seems like stores have them in stock right now. (Hounslow, Kingston, Hayes)
 

Ashes

Banned
MS should've limited supply to other EU countries and flooded the UK with more Xbox One's. Xbox One is consistently selling £100+ above retail on Ebay in UK. Still soldout everywhere online http://www.stockinformer.co.uk/checker-xbox-one

Edit: Was tracking this while typing this post - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MICROSOFT...Consoles&hash=item2c77d95ed1&autorefresh=true

Ebay list - http://www.ebay.co.uk/ctg/Microsoft...sole-/168073212?_tab=1&_trksid=p2047675.l2644

That doesn't cover in store stock, does it? I'm pretty sure when I was looking for ps4 on friday, it was pretty much impossible to buy, but every place [10+] I went to had an xb1 available.
Still, that was Friday [12 am to about 12 pm].
 

Boss Man

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Nope, it demonstrates that this industry has been invaded completely by the cancer it started on the PS era, people that played videogames because they became "cool" thanks to the CGI.

Outside of a few indie titles, I don't think investing in innovative or well designed gameplay mechanichs is worth it anymore.
Once you have:
1. Graphics
2. Plot
3. Graphics
4. Graphics

Covered, you can forget about everything else. It's a bit what happened on the cinema industry when the CG effects appeared and tons of people wanted that at any cost, but with the difference that the cinema was something cool way before the appearance of the CG effects, and cinema critics were always aware that good CG is something that won't make a movie good.
The difference is that besides 4 or 5 "frikis" videogames were always considered like a regular toy and they weren't considered "mainstream entertainment" until the CGI arrived.

The "videogame critics" are, most of them, a product of this massification, so unlike with what happened with the cinematographic industry, that always had a renowned and recognised expert crowd that always had on mind what make a good film good, on the videogame industry those who care about playability and those things are not only a minority, but also the ones being considered "frikis" or "not cool" by the mainstream.

I eventually will get a PS4 when it has GAMES that are worth it, but this "consumer fever" for mediocre games with "next-gen" graphics demonstrates that this trend is unavoidable.
How many media will give The Last of Us their GOTY 2013? Can anyone tell me what has The Last of Us in terms of gameplay design, or even scenario design, to make it a GOTY? I'll answer that, absolutely nothing.
But it has the best graphics ever made on a PS3 and one of the best plots of the videogame history, and that's more than enough.


This is what I was saying. The WiiU is being sold at a lost right now, but instead of focusing on the chipset, it tried to evolve gaming with a gamepad that that allowed for asymetrical gameplay or other UI innovations.
Why isn't it a "great console"? Because as I said, nothing matters besides polygons to the "mainstream".

I've been saying that for years, the only difference between my aunt who plays Wii-Fit to lose some kilos and the poster I've quoted is that my aunt it's pretty conscious that she doesn't know anything about videogaming and she won't try to influence the industry to go towards a direction where everything are Wii-Fits and the likes.
Hi, I'm a mainstream sheeple that hates good games. I look for games with great graphics to avoid playing good games by accident, because good graphics means bad games. ""
 
man, this thread...

Nope, it demonstrates that this industry has been invaded completely by the cancer it started on the PS era, people that played videogames because they became "cool" thanks to the CGI.

Outside of a few indie titles, I don't think investing in innovative or well designed gameplay mechanichs is worth it anymore.
Once you have:
1. Graphics
2. Plot
3. Graphics
4. Graphics

Covered, you can forget about everything else. It's a bit what happened on the cinema industry when the CG effects appeared and tons of people wanted that at any cost, but with the difference that the cinema was something cool way before the appearance of the CG effects, and cinema critics were always aware that good CG is something that won't make a movie good.
The difference is that besides 4 or 5 "frikis" videogames were always considered like a regular toy and they weren't considered "mainstream entertainment" until the CGI arrived.

The "videogame critics" are, most of them, a product of this massification, so unlike with what happened with the cinematographic industry, that always had a renowned and recognised expert crowd that always had on mind what make a good film good, on the videogame industry those who care about playability and those things are not only a minority, but also the ones being considered "frikis" or "not cool" by the mainstream.

I eventually will get a PS4 when it has GAMES that are worth it, but this "consumer fever" for mediocre games with "next-gen" graphics demonstrates that this trend is unavoidable.
How many media will give The Last of Us their GOTY 2013? Can anyone tell me what has The Last of Us in terms of gameplay design, or even scenario design, to make it a GOTY? I'll answer that, absolutely nothing.
But it has the best graphics ever made on a PS3 and one of the best plots of the videogame history, and that's more than enough.


This is what I was saying. The WiiU is being sold at a lost right now, but instead of focusing on the chipset, it tried to evolve gaming with a gamepad that that allowed for asymetrical gameplay or other UI innovations.
Why isn't it a "great console"? Because as I said, nothing matters besides polygons to the "mainstream".

I've been saying that for years, the only difference between my aunt who plays Wii-Fit to lose some kilos and the poster I've quoted is that my aunt it's pretty conscious that she doesn't know anything about videogaming and she won't try to influence the industry to go towards a direction where everything are Wii-Fits and the likes.

Ridiculous. Graphic superiority was a pretty significant issue during the SNES/Genesis war. Hell, you could say the same thing regarding the NES, as games like SMB, LoZ, Castlevania, etc. were quickly paraded out to show the jump over the Atari. The advent of the PlayStation did not create the phenomenon of "whoooooooa graphics!"

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Hasney

Member

Oh sorry, I was quoting someone about XBox One and talking about that.

For PS4, my advice is to go to the Argos website, put in your town and keep hitting Go until one flashes up in stock. Stockinformer is just a little too slow with the info to be reliable and it's how I managed to snag one on Sunday without a pre-order.
 

Prine

Banned
That doesn't cover in store stock, does it? I'm pretty sure when I was looking for ps4 on friday, it was pretty much impossible to buy, but every place [10+] I went to had an xb1 available.
Still, that was Friday [12 am to about 12 pm].

I guess not given by responses here. Why are people paying so much for something available in stores
 
I'm pretty sure you missed the actual point of my post, as clearly i was not insinuating Wii U is a runaway success. Nintendo sells better in those and many other European countries, relative to the marketplace. UK is not Europe, nor is it the biggest European country. Yet UK topics quickly turn into "lol Nintendo/doom" threads, while even NES and SNES weren't the best selling systems over there iirc. Over 700 million people live in Europe, of which less than 9% in the UK.

Now had Nintendo had less than 9% of marketshare, i'm sure that would be ridiculed instantly.

Actually it doesn't. In terms of market penetration, they do best in France, second in the UK. Germany has a population of 90m vs 63m in the UK and 65m in France, so it should be doing better there.

You are also moving the goal posts, we are not talking about Nintendo's market share, it's Wii U specifically which is tanking everywhere.

Oh sorry, I was quoting someone about XBox One and talking about that.

For PS4, my advice is to go to the Argos website, put in your town and keep hitting Go until one flashes up in stock. Stockinformer is just a little too slow with the info to be reliable and it's how I managed to snag one on Sunday without a pre-order.

Yeah, I think they are already doing that, I just thought that PS4 stock was arriving on Friday so they could stand down and just wait outside Game at 7am or something.
 

Moonstone

Member
FWIW, they sold 600k PS3s in it's launch weekend and 165k were in the UK.

If they hit the same ratio this time then 250k in the UK means about 910k across the EU.

I don't know if they are hitting more countries this time though.

Last time France, Germany, Spain all sold about or just under half what the UK did.

Going by market size UK is not 1/3.

But UK is the most important market from a strategic point of view for Sony. And it has the most enthusiasts that want new hardware now, UK getting a bigger chunk this launch when they can't satisfy demand than other countries would make sense.
 
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