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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 2. Haswell = #IntelnoTIM, but free online. READ THE OP.
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chaosblade
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It's good, but very popular and tends to be more expensive than equally good (or better) options.
Most of the options on Newegg are going to be within a couple degrees of one another, all else equal. It's been a long time since I've shopped for the stuff so I don't know some of the newer ones on there.
I think this is what I'm using. That or Shin Etsu X23.
I wonder what I could get for my 7850, must check eBay.
Edit - Seems prices here in the UK are still normal, no crazy bids on the 7950 even on eBay. Shame, would've fancied a 760.
Wait wait, the prices for AMD stuff is still normal? Are they in stock from normal outlets?
Quick questions.
My front panel audio connectors is labeled "HD audio" and "AC-97". The issue is that my Motherboard (B85-G41) doesn't mention either format. It's only labeled JAUD1 and supposed to be compliant with "Intel Front Panel IO Connectivity Format". Both connectors seem would fit the Motherboard.
Second question, I just updated another computer from 8GB (4x2GB sticks) to 16GB (4x4GB sticks Link to RAM) and it looks like it's only recognizing 8GB. Windows is detecting 16GB installed but only using 8GB. My Bios is only seeing 8GB and showing only two enabled DIMM slots. So far, I've tried enabling XMP and that's pretty much it.
It's P55A-UD4P. I've never updated the BIOS so I'm 6-7 updates behind. That is something I can try. Could an overclock also impact anything?
My front panel audio connectors is labeled "HD audio" and "AC-97". The issue is that my Motherboard (B85-G41) doesn't mention either format. It's only labeled JAUD1 and supposed to be compliant with "Intel Front Panel IO Connectivity Format". Both connectors seem would fit the Motherboard.
Second question, I just updated another computer from 8GB (4x2GB sticks) to 16GB (4x4GB sticks Link to RAM) and it looks like it's only recognizing 8GB. Windows is detecting 16GB installed but only using 8GB. My Bios is only seeing 8GB and showing only two enabled DIMM slots. So far, I've tried enabling XMP and that's pretty much it.
It's P55A-UD4P. I've never updated the BIOS so I'm 6-7 updates behind. That is something I can try. Could an overclock also impact anything?
Second try:
Looks good, although I don't know how to feel about the Corsair CX in there as I've never been able to recommend (although I have used it in a build I did for someone else). I guess if we're going by RRPs it fits in.
Almost everywhere is sold out bar the brands like VTX3D and PowerColor. There is one site with the MSI TFIV though, and prices aren't being spiked http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-am...r--r9-280x-gaming-3g--916M.html?q=280x&src=16 £226 is a great price frankly. If anything it's almost too cheap compared to the rest nearer £250.
Anyone?
That EVGA is a good catch, nice no frills unit.
For a 'cheap' modular I'm still a fan of the Rosewill Hive. Price bounces around hugely on each of them but generally at least one of the 550w, 650w or 750w is available for ~$45 after MIR.
I've built a bitfenix prodigy build for a friend, and a node 304 for myself, definately recommend the node 304. Sits in my lounge tv stand without drawing any attention and is very efficiently laid out.
Is that available across the pond?
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I'm sorry I'm not doing this research myself, trying to catch up on work at the same time
infinityBCRT
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What thermal paste do people recommend?
Is that available across the pond?
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I'm sorry I'm not doing this research myself, trying to catch up on work at the same time
It's US only as far as I can tell, good point.
Yeah, Rosewill is Newegg's in-house brand. Figured it was a US-only thing.
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Not to be too dismissive. It's also because the ones that are *kind* of similar in performance, like the FX 6300 compared to an i3, the AMD system won't provide a viable upgrade path. You get stuck with PCI-E 2.0, motherboards with far fewer features, and no high end gaming processor.
Because they perform worse in games.
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Not to be too dismissive. It's also because the ones that are *kind* of similar in performance, like the FX 6300 compared to an i3, the AMD system won't provide a viable upgrade path. You get stuck with PCI-E 2.0, motherboards with far fewer features, and no high end gaming processor.
Use the HD Audio plug. AC97 is as old as it sounds and is only there for old codecs.
For the RAM issue do try updating the BIOS. You should be able to just flash the most recent version rather than go through each one but just as a precaution you might want to put your old RAM back in while doing that. I'm talking tinfoil hat level of precaution here...
Deified Data
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Ran build through eXtreme power supply calculator - wise to run a 461w build with a 500w PSU?
They also appear to be less efficient power-wise, in my limited experience (this of course ties directly to the question above).
Should be fine. The 461W estimate would be a peak value, and quality power supplies should be able to handle their labeled wattage continuously.
Do you already have the PSU, or which one were you thinking of getting?
Deified Data
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I already have a 500w Strider modular - what's up in the air is what CPU I can buy and how powerful it can be. I'm becoming more familiar with the differences between AMD and Intel but I'm probably sticking to AMD for budgetary reasons (that, and I bought a AM3+ motherboard preemptively). I'm not dissatisfied with my set-up, I think it's fine for a first build on a lower budget, but it is what it is.
Return the motherboard, get an i3 or low priced i5.
This.
infinityBCRT
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BTW I think I do have the XMP profile enabled on my PC I think. Not sure if that makes a difference on the heat my CPU is generating.
Deified Data
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Can you explain to me in layman's terms exactly what I'm paying for with the premium on Intel CPUs?
Because they are faster per clock cycle which in turn gives you better minimum frame rates (or frame latency if you know that). Also overclocked they perform very well. Intel chips on average will maintain a smoother experience.
In terms of overall system cost for a gaming computer it's worth the extra bit of $. AMD has very good options for core count, but they still are lacking in raw thread performance. Whether most people will notice or not in some titles is arguable, but some things like RTS and some MMO and some games which are CPU hungry it is very noticible. (e.g. Early Starcraft II Intel had like doubled the frame rate).
Nice, I wish I could pull that much money a day, but alas, I only have a single 7970 that has a stupid BIOS that cripples mining performance
I wonder how much his net gain is though since he has to power those rigs and I would assume that the cards would be drawing a nice amount of power if they're mining all day.
CreepingFear
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I think there was a pic on Reddit of a guy with a box full of 7950's or something.
Felix Lighter
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After building these 2 machines for friends, I cannot wait to do a complete new build for myself. I'm planing on waiting for Haswell E and 20 nm GPUs but when it's time, I'm going to go crazy.
Also, I did manage to get a stable overclock on that i7 3770K I was have trouble with, if any one was curious. I had to actually decrease the voltage to 1.21v to get it stable. I tried 1.25v-1.35v and it would crash in minutes in Prime95. I set it to auto @4.2 Ghz, as a test and it never rose above 1.208v and stayed stable for 26 hours. I set the voltage manually to 1.21v and the thing has been rock solid, 10+ hours of BF4, not a single crash. That's a feat with any machine.
Also, I did manage to get a stable overclock on that i7 3770K I was have trouble with, if any one was curious. I had to actually decrease the voltage to 1.21v to get it stable. I tried 1.25v-1.35v and it would crash in minutes in Prime95. I set it to auto @4.2 Ghz, as a test and it never rose above 1.208v and stayed stable for 26 hours. I set the voltage manually to 1.21v and the thing has been rock solid, 10+ hours of BF4, not a single crash. That's a feat with any machine.
Deified Data
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Does Windows 8 come with any notable game compatibility issues you've heard of? Is 7 worth the extra $100?
TC McQueen
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None beyond the ones 7 has, as far as I know.
theSlacker
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Fair enough. Been about a year since I built a computer, until recently, and figured there had to be something that performs a little better for a price that could still see the benefit on a non delided haswell.
Speaking of a computer I am currently building, got an open 5.25 bay that I want to use. Thinking of either a card reader or a fan controller. Use various memory sticks and different SD cards from time to time that a card reader could make easier to manage. Could just get a usb solution for that though. For a fan controller, gonna have 5 non pvm case fans that would be nice to have some control over but really wouldn't need anything fancy and wouldn't want anything that sticks out with nobs or anything. Don't have any experience with different workings of fan controllers since I have always just plugged fans into a mb, or went straight to the psu before. Anyone have any suggestions for either?
Glass Shark
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Okay, I think I've finally decided on upgrading to a GTX 770. Anyone have opinions on which one in particular I should get? For complicated reasons, it needs to be available at Best Buy (seems like just the reference model is) or Amazon.
CreepingFear
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Do you guys think its worth waiting out the crazy-high run up in AMD prices or should I just go with Nvidia?
How soon are you wanting to buy? Right now supply is exceptionally tight for AMD products which of course leads to the hike. Its possible when supply normalizes prices might return to normal
maneil99
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What are you looking at specifically?
The NZXT Sentry is a pretty good voltage based fan controller. Other options are fairly costly, like various Lamptron controllers. Basically, you want to look for 30W/channel with decent user reviews to cut down on DoA stuff. But with a single fan per channel, you're not really going to be stressing anything out.
I honestly dislike fan controllers. With quality fans in the 1000-1200RPM range, you're already looking at ambient noise levels.
Depends on your price range. If you were looking for a 7970/280x, I think NVIDIA is a little weak in comparison, for the price range. But once you get to the 770 territory, it's really a toss up. If you were looking in the $200-250 range, I wouldn't hesitate on getting a 760.
AMD Processors have stutter which is not caught by typical "Frames Per Second" testing. Read more on that here.
It's really about the specific price range. The 6300, for example, performs pretty damn well in things outside of UE3 Engine games, source games, MP games, and Skyrim. But in those games, even the 8350 (not the 6300) trades with the i3. It doesn't even keep up with i5s released 5 years ago.
So when you compare an i3 with a 6300, you're not really paying a premium at all. Maybe $20-30 between the proc and mobo. What you get is a motherboard with PCI-E 3.0 (instead of 2.0), more SATA 6GB ports, generally more features, and the ability to upgrade to something like the 4670K or 4770K later down the line.
In reality, you won't notice a big difference between the two systems. If you're sensitive to stutter, you'd certainly notice it in MP games if you played on one system and then the other back to back. Paying $20-30 now to be able to more easily upgrade the system down the line is well worth the cost.
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