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Dragon Quest XI probably won't be for smartphones

KiTA

KiTA

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Donthizz# said:
Verendus said that Sony is trying to bring DQ back to PS, we will see..
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I saw that.

... Who is Verendus, and why should I believe him over "gamefaqs_user_awesomedude512"? I'm not really up with my forum names, and honestly have been trying to stop paying attention to random social media / forum rumors since:

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I'm sure Sony would love to moneyhat some DQ on PS, but the best they can probably hope for is a PS4 port of DQX and MAYBE some Vita ports of older DQ games. Horii seems pretty happy continuing his streak of putting it on the most popular platform of the era -- and that's going to be 3DS until the 4DS comes out. ;)
 
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Aeana

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I guess nobody remembers this.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=619136&page=1

Executive producer Yuu Miyake also brought up the more practical, financial side of running a successful MMO. "One thing I can say," he said, "looking across the series from DQ8 onward, is that the business model of creating a retail package and releasing it exclusively on a single platform has become difficult to execute. Gamers' play styles and tastes are getting segmented, and we can't settle on a single platform. We're also in an era where trying to make back development costs on a title good enough to be part of the main story is getting more difficult with the traditional business model. We have to build a new business model, one that doesn't end with a retail package being purchased.
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Arzehn

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KiTA said:
Most people miss the point of DQ9: It was a roguelike.

Yes, it had a main story with static dungeons, but the meat of the game was in the free DLC quests and the grotto system, the former of which sent you into the latter.



And a good chunk of those purchases were for WiiU players (since WiiU could play it fine). It's one of the reasons FFXIV is platform locked -- don't expect to just download the PS4 version when FFXIV PS4 comes out, you're going to have to re-buy it.

There's this infuriating meme that states that DQX is bombing or somesuch, when in reality it's doing a lot better than even FFXI did - which was the most profitable FF game, ever. I'm really hoping the talk about DQX "overseas" meant we'll be getting the PC version if nothing else. (Although that talk was likely directed at China/Korea.)
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FFXIV for PS4 is free if you have the PS3 version. Unless I'm misunderstanding your statement.

I really hope DQX comes out in the west. It reminds me of the old school experience I had with FFXI.
 
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metalslimer

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Unless we see some kind of sign soon that Nintendo still has interest in publishing DQ in the west, it would seem whatever deal they had during the DS era is over.
Executive producer Yuu Miyake also brought up the more practical, financial side of running a successful MMO. "One thing I can say," he said, "looking across the series from DQ8 onward, is that the business model of creating a retail package and releasing it exclusively on a single platform has become difficult to execute. Gamers' play styles and tastes are getting segmented, and we can't settle on a single platform. We're also in an era where trying to make back development costs on a title good enough to be part of the main story is getting more difficult with the traditional business model. We have to build a new business model, one that doesn't end with a retail package being purchased.
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Well that doesn't sound good.
 
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watershed

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Pyscho_Mantis said:
Simply because the only viable Nintendo platform is the 3DS. the viable Sony platforms are home consoles which are notable more popular in the West than handhelds.

Also lets not pretend graphics does not play a role. If DQ became the first next gen AAA jrpg it would get a lot more attention.
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Which Sony home consoles are notably more popular than the 3ds in the west? The PS4 that has just launched and therefore has a much smaller install base or the PS3 which would make for a really late gen DQXI?

Unless SE have been secretly working on DQXI for years now I don't see how it could possibly be the first next gen AAA jrpg. FFXV is already known and I'm assuming far further along. Hell, Kingdom Hearts 3 is probably further along than DQXI is.

I don't see what incentive SE has to make DQXI for the PS4 or any next gen console at the moment. The 3ds is dominant in Japan and doing well everywhere else. They've already released a number of DQ remakes and spin-offs for the platform, the 3ds has internet and DLC support, plus its cheaper and faster to make games for compared to consoles.
 
Protocol7

Protocol7

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That's good news. Now I'm hoping it will be on one of the next gen consoles, not on 3DS or VITA, please... starting to get a bit fed up not being able to enjoy a DQ on anyting else but a small screen... (not even trolling I have both fyi)
 
KiTA

KiTA

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Arzehn said:
FFXIV for PS4 is free if you have the PS3 version. Unless I'm misunderstanding your statement.
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That's new then. I know a lot of people were buying FFXIV for PS3 when the PC version was hard to find and discovered they were screwed when they went home and tried to use it on the PC.
 
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Magicpaint

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Aeana said:
I guess nobody remembers this.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=619136&page=1
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I do! Which is why I felt certain that DQXI was going to be a smartphone game...

I guess the alternative is to have another MMO based DQ? I really can't say I understand the logic behind that quote though. It's hard to think that a traditional DQ on the highest selling platform in Japan won't generate enough profit as they used to. What has changed to make that business model a problem now? He didn't specify the what. DQIX was the best selling title so far and I can't imagine it cost a fortune to make (though development went through different phases).
 
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Psycho_Mantis

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watershed said:
Which Sony home consoles are notably more popular than the 3ds in the west? The PS4 that has just launched and therefore has a much smaller install base or the PS3 which would make for a really late gen DQXI?

Unless SE have been secretly working on DQXI for years now I don't see how it could possibly be the first next gen AAA jrpg. FFXV is already known and I'm assuming far further along. Hell, Kingdom Hearts 3 is probably further along than DQXI is.

I don't see what incentive SE has to make DQXI for the PS4 or any next gen console at the moment. The 3ds is dominant in Japan and doing well everywhere else. They've already released a number of DQ remakes and spin-offs for the platform, the 3ds has internet and DLC support, plus its cheaper and faster to make games for compared to consoles.
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Errr PS3 has twice the install base of the 3DS. When do you see DQ11 coming out? I see it as 2014 fall or even 2015.

It may not be the first next gen AAA jrpg but just being one will garner attention since there are so few these days.

I guess the biggest incentive would be to make DQ relevant in the West again. DQ in Japan will sell for sure not as well on PS3 as on 3DS but should still sell within the series' standards. Also with console titles SE could would be getting almost twice the money of each sale (at least in Japan which could counter the dev cost).

I just want Dragon quest on a console >.<!
 
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ZombiePlatypus

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KiTA said:
I saw that.

... Who is Verendus, and why should I believe him over "gamefaqs_user_awesomedude512"? I'm not really up with my forum names, and honestly have been trying to stop paying attention to random social media / forum rumors since:

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I'm sure Sony would love to moneyhat some DQ on PS, but the best they can probably hope for is a PS4 port of DQX and MAYBE some Vita ports of older DQ games. Horii seems pretty happy continuing his streak of putting it on the most popular platform of the era -- and that's going to be 3DS until the 4DS comes out. ;)
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Man that tweet. I really don't wanna believe it's real. If it is, why would Nintendo opt for an "unproven" new IP? Sure, DQ ain't CoD, but it still has its fans in the West. I really, really hope DQVII will be announced after BD's release. I can't imagine having to choose between these two games.
 
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AmyS

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-Please let Dragon Quest XI be a completely OFFLINE Dragon Quest
-Please be for 3DS with great auto-stereoscopic 3D
-Please make it like when modern DQ games were great, like VII & XIII
 
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watershed

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Pyscho_Mantis said:
Errr PS3 has twice the install base of the 3DS. When do you see DQ11 coming out? I see it as 2014 fall or even 2015.

It may not be the first next gen AAA jrpg but just being one will garner attention since there are so few these days.

I guess the biggest incentive would be to make DQ relevant in the West again. DQ in Japan will sell for sure not as well on PS3 as on 3DS but should still sell within the series' standards. Also with console titles SE could would be getting almost twice the money of each sale (at least in Japan which could counter the dev cost).

I just want Dragon quest on a console >.<!
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I don't see DQXI being made for the PS3. My point was that if DQXI is for the PS3 it would be a really late gen game which would be odd especially considering the PS4 is not backwards compatible. At it would not be a next gen AAA jrpg in that case, it would be a last gen jrpg. I don't see that happening.

I can see DQXI being made for the 3ds then being ported to other platforms in the future including Sony platforms.
 
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ZombiePlatypus

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watershed said:
I don't see DQXI being made for the PS3. My point was that if DQXI is for the PS3 it would be a really late gen game which would be odd especially considering the PS4 is not backwards compatible. At it would not be a next gen AAA jrpg in that case, it would be a last gen jrpg. I don't see that happening.

I can see DQXI being made for the 3ds then being ported to other platforms in the future including Sony platforms.
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I don't think being last-gen will hurt it. PS3 will have a way bigger install-base than PS4 for the foreseeable future. I'm sure Atlus is using that to their advantage with Persona5. FWIW though, I still think/hope DQXI will be on 3DS. It just seems to make more sense. (Though PS3 would be nice.)
 
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Magicpaint

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ZombiePlatypus said:
I don't think being last-gen will hurt it. PS3 will have a way bigger install-base than PS4 for the foreseeable future. I'm sure Atlus is using that to their advantage with Persona5. FWIW though, I still think/hope DQXI will be on 3DS. It just seems to make more sense. (Though PS3 would be nice.)
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Not that this is as much a factor as it used to be, but there's been no sign that the PS3 is being prepared for a mainline DQ. No remakes, no spinoffs, nothing. PS2, DS, Wii and now 3DS and Smartphones were/are all being peppered with DQ titles in anticipation (presumably for 3DS/Smarts) of a mainline release.
 
KiTA

KiTA

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The more I read threads like this, the more I realize a lot of people don't want DQ games per say, they want "FF games, only not screwed up by the 3 stooges anymore."

Kinda sad.
 
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Earthpainting

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I always knew Horii was good people. I presume this means a Dragon Quest XI on 3DS, as we've had several games on the system already and it's pretty much -the- piece of hardware in Japan. I recall them talking about multi-platform development as well, but it's possible that was in relation to the MMO game, which did go multi-platform. Maybe they can do an up-scaled Vita port as well, but I'm not sure if the numbers are there to justify that.
 
KiTA

KiTA

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AmyS said:
-Please let Dragon Quest XI be a completely OFFLINE Dragon Quest
-Please be for 3DS with great auto-stereoscopic 3D
-Please make it like when modern DQ games were great, like VII & XIII
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Why would it be completely offline? DQ9 had online elements (the grotto trading, the DQVC, the free DLC quests) and it was fine. If anything, I want DQ9's streetpass stuff to continue but to also be extended to NWFC, kinda like how Pokemon XY did it. Heck, maybe keep DQ9's local wireless coop play and extend it to the NWFC as well (although at that point you're basically playing DQX, so...)

Can you imagine being in a grotto in DQ9 and getting a list of people at the bottom also in that grotto? Or being in the last dungeon and getting cheered on by other players? Handing out grotto maps to newbies in one of the early towns? It could be quite amazing.
 
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DarkLordMalik

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Tenki said:
People seem to forget that all the recent spin-offs and remakes have been on 3DS for a reason.
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Yes, and the reason is the popularity of 3DS in Japan. Most of these 3DS spin-offs and remakes never made its way to the west.

They are also being released to smart phones, that is not to assume that the series is suddenly shifted to them.
 
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Tenki

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DarkLordMalik said:
Yes, and the reason is the popularity of 3DS in Japan. Most of these 3DS spin-offs and remakes never made its way to the west.

They are also being released to smart phones, that is not to assume that the series is suddenly shifted to them.
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The reason is to build an audience for DQXI.

Have Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D, Slime Morimori 3, DQM2 and DQVIIr been release on mobile?
 
KiTA

KiTA

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Tenki said:
The reason is to build an audience for DQXI.

Have Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D, Slime Morimori 3, DQM2 and DQVIIr been release on mobile?
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No, no no. You've got it wrong.

They don't NEED to build an audience for DQ11. It's Dragon Quest. It'll sell 3-4 million copies on it's own.

If nothing else, DQ helps sell consoles, not the other way around.
 
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Tenki

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KiTA said:
No, no no. You've got it wrong.

They don't NEED to build an audience for DQ11. It's Dragon Quest. It'll sell 3-4 million copies on it's own.

If nothing else, DQ helps sell consoles, not the other way around.
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Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not. Capcom did the same. Build the audience with MH3G before MH4 arrived.
 
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Zerojul

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AmyS said:
-Please let Dragon Quest XI be a completely OFFLINE Dragon Quest
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That's all I ask for. DQIX was a huge letdown for me, especially coming for the greatness that was VIII. I don't care if it's multiplat or 3DS only, but I'd really like a single player, offline DQ. A guy can dream.
 
Glass Rebel

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Pyscho_Mantis said:
What are you talking about? It sold 1+ million just like DQ9 in the West (1.4 million going by garaph's figures so even more). I never said DQ was going to beat FF that would be absurd but there is definitely room for growth in the West where there is a distinct lack of big budget jrpgs. Sony has done many things for SE lol
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geez i wonder why that is
 
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Sammy Samusu

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Yay, I was waiting for someone to translate that interview.

But not this thread becoming a Persona 5 sized mess. Dragon Quest XI is a 3DS game and the one that's going multi is Dragon Quest X, the MMO.

PS fans should be happy, because DQX looks like tons of fun.
 
Glass Rebel

Glass Rebel

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Pyscho_Mantis said:
Please do elaborate
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Because no JRPG besides Final Fantasy (and maybe Pokémon if it had a decent console to release on) warrants a big budget. Pumping money in a series like Dragon Quest, which sells the most in a region where big budgets correlate the least with big sales, is stupid.
 
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[Fugo]

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YEEES

now please make it a proper DQ and not a multiplayer thing
and with a presentation AT THE VERY LEAST on par with DQVIII ;_;
 
KiTA

KiTA

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Tenki said:
Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not. Capcom did the same. Build the audience with MH3G before MH4 arrived.
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Yeah, because MH4 was really going to bomb in Japan without 3G?

If you're talking about US/EU (I wasn't necessarily) it's a bit of a different story, but at this point I think we can mostly agree that Square Enix US/EU has written off being able to sell DQ outside of Japan.
 
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Tenki

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KiTA said:
Yeah, because MH4 was really going to bomb in Japan without 3G?

If you're talking about US/EU (I wasn't necessarily) it's a bit of a different story, but at this point I think we can mostly agree that Square Enix US/EU has written off being able to sell DQ outside of Japan.
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Where did I say that MH4 was going to bomb without 3G?

All I'm saying is that they're making the 3DS to be the "Dragon Quest machine", with spin-off and remakes in preparation for DQXI, which will be the final step in the 3DS becoming the DQ-machine.
 
KiTA

KiTA

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Tenki said:
Where did I say that MH4 was going to bomb without 3G?

All I'm saying is that they're making the 3DS to be the "Dragon Quest machine", with spin-off and remakes in preparation for DQXI, which will be the final step in the 3DS becoming the DQ-machine.
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I thought DQIX was the "final step" in the 3DS becoming the DQ-machine?
 
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chickdigger802

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KiTA said:
And a good chunk of those purchases were for WiiU players (since WiiU could play it fine). It's one of the reasons FFXIV is platform locked -- don't expect to just download the PS4 version when FFXIV PS4 comes out, you're going to have to re-buy it.
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no you don't.

if you have a ps3 version, you just dl ps4 client when it releases. as simple as that.
 
KiTA

KiTA

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rpmurphy said:
You know, I'm curious as to why he said "DQ8 onward." What does that mean for DQ9, which for all this time has been an exclusive title to the DS, and is not one of the games to be ported to mobile?
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I think he was talking more about the plan to make us keep paying for games we already bought than the multi-platform thing. If I owned stock in SE, I'd be kinda frightened that someone was openly admitting they can't seem to make money selling their product anymore.

But do remember that DQ9 had DLC -- free downloadable quests, released weekly, that relied heavily on the roguelike elements of DQ9 and extended the game a LOT. It's not dissimilar to how Asheron's Call or Dragon Quest X are keeping players busy between expansions.
 
Wiz

Wiz

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KiTA said:
I think he was talking more about the plan to make us keep paying for games we already bought than the multi-platform thing. If I owned stock in SE, I'd be kinda frightened that someone was openly admitting they can't seem to make money selling their product anymore.

But do remember that DQ9 had DLC -- free downloadable quests, released weekly, that relied heavily on the roguelike elements of DQ9 and extended the game a LOT. It's not dissimilar to how Asheron's Call or Dragon Quest X are keeping players busy between expansions.
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Probably means SE is looking to sell lots of DLC for any future DQ retail games.
 
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Stone Ocean

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KiTA said:
That's new then. I know a lot of people were buying FFXIV for PS3 when the PC version was hard to find and discovered they were screwed when they went home and tried to use it on the PC.
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Well no shit, they bought a console game and just expect the PC version to come along for the ride?

Do they buy multiplats expecting a free steam key or something?
 
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AcademicSaucer

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ZombiePlatypus said:
Man that tweet. I really don't wanna believe it's real. If it is, why would Nintendo opt for an "unproven" new IP? Sure, DQ ain't CoD, but it still has its fans in the West. I really, really hope DQVII will be announced after BD's release. I can't imagine having to choose between these two games.
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Because Nintendo haz no new ips
 
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