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Winter 2014 Anime |OT| I've got to find a dandy guy who killed my dad in the space

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Caladrius

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You can do it!

I did it, but I'm not sure if I should have.

K

So I've finally finished my first anime series.
It burns quite a bit right now.

I don't outright regret watching it, but there were quite a few problems with it that kept me from wholeheartedly liking it. Before I get to that I will start with the parts that I did like.

I generally liked the art direction. While it wasn't groundbreaking, the futuristic cityscapes were nice and the character designs were fairly diverse and mostly palatable. I understand the complaints about the washed-out palette, but I figure that was done in order to hammer in the whole color coding of the factions. The plot did a decent job of setting up plenty of mysteries to keep me watching.

That said, that last point brings me to the main flaw of the series: There's not much sense of firm world-building or closure. There's a lot of elements introduced that aren't really used all that much or elaborated upon, making a sort of world half-finished.Such as:
Strains, or animals imbued with psychic powers. Only one is a participant in the plot and an actual character. Their only actual role is to explain that the psychic powers that exist in the setting were derived from a relic(which in itself is not explained) that was used on lab animals as a test and would eventually make its way to the human population.(It's implied that there experiments run in order to imbue the first kings with the relic's power, though how they made their way to future Kings isn't explained, and events within the story specifically rule out any sort of biological inheritance.)
There are 7 "Kings", basically extremely powerful psychics who accrue various people to serve under them for whatever ends they see fit. You only get to see 5 of them (Silver,Gold,Red,Blue,Colorless) and it's never explained how the Kings came to be so influential, particularly the Silver and Gold Kings, who were some of the people responsible for the creation of the strains and by extension the Kings. The psychics in the series are powerful, but with the exception of the Silver King are far from invincible and could be assassinated or subdued without a tremendous amount of trouble on the part of their adversaries.
The main antagonist, The 7th King's original identity (he possesses a lot of people), history and motives are explored in little depth."Yashiro" (the protagonist) is afflicted with the same problem. His life before being possessed by the 7th king is never explored, and any possible conflict between the boy and The Silver King who unwittingly inhabits his mind is once again never explored.

In addition to the various holes in the world, there's also more than a few contrivances used to keep the plot running.
Lost in an unknown place with your memories lost
?
Good thing there's a strain right nearby that can make fake ones for you to you keep you from going nuts
! Untrustworthy twit trying to keep you from killing him by playing the pity card? Let him get away with it thrice!

I would have lightly enjoyed the whole shebang, warts and all, but the ending completely killed it for me.
The protagonist known as Yashiro is basically invalidated as an individual, unconvincingly sacrificed (remember, the Silver King is outright stated to be immortal) and does nothing more than restore the status quo.

That ending pushed me back down to being completely apathetic. Le sigh. I should have stuck to the rec list like a sane person. I haven't decided what I want to watch next yet.
 
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When people claim Digimon designs look stupid, this season is just not helping.
 

CorvoSol

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If I may offer a quick suggestion to make up for Apocalypse Zero, I'd really like to see your reaction to the English dub of Dark Cat. It's been too long since someone had the experience.

I actually already saw it. It had a penis monster swallow a girl alive.

Corvo typically doesn't care for horrible English dubs.

I might watch it though.

Yeah, I mean, I get it but unless it's Garzey level I don't find it as great as some people.

Corvo didn't like Garzey? Like, I know he wasn't hot on some of those old OVAs like Angel Cop which just have cheesy instead of comically horrible VA, but Dark Cat's dub is easily in the Garzey/Big Green tradition.

I loved Garzey, actually. Dark Cat came close, I suppose, with the kid who was like, stoned the entire time.
 

Syrinx

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Corvo didn't like Garzey? Like, I know he wasn't hot on some of those old OVAs like Angel Cop which just have cheesy instead of comically horrible VA, but Dark Cat's dub is easily in the Garzey/Big Green tradition.

fake edit: I'll just let Corvo speak for himself instead of speaking for him like a butt.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
I actually already saw it. It had a penis monster swallow a girl alive.

ok I really have to point you in the direction of the Big Green DBZ dubs then. Expect a PM from me when I figure out how to accomplish this.
 

Branduil

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I mean most of the show is plot and characters that were mostly just stupid to the point of not being engaging at all, and the show was constantly dragging its feet. Even if someone liked the death sequences they make up a very small portion of the show.

Well the show is kind of interesting in the "I can't believe someone would write this and think it made any sense at all" way that David Cage games are "interesting."
 

Syrinx

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Ojamajo Doremi Naisho 10

Another very good episode. That guy was an idiot like Aiko said, but I have to give it to the guy; he's very persistent and seemed pretty genuine. I mean, he even called Onpu an ugly duckling compared to Aiko and tracked down her dad to find her house. I liked when Hana-chan was teasing her about how red her face was.

Then it got heavy with him saying he ran away from home because his dad blew the house payment gambling and his parents were getting a divorce. But then it was weird how Aiko told him to go back and make sure he got his parents back together. Shows how Aiko still wants to get her parents back together despite all the problems between them. Fact is the kid's father has a gambling problem and his mother really isn't wrong in how she reacted.

Then it was bizarre; the kid's parents show up and are all like "It's all good, that wasn't a fight." Uhh...what? The guy went and gambled away your house payment. And his wife declared that she was filing for divorce. That's...kinda a major deal. "Fight" is being generous, frankly. So I don't quite know what's going on here. Either they cleared that gambling problem of his up REAL quick or this kids parents are in one miserable marriage where neither of them truly wants to face the problems in their relationship.
 
I did it, but I'm not sure if I should have.

K

So I've finally finished my first anime series.
It burns quite a bit right now.

I don't outright regret watching it, but there were quite a few problems with it that kept me from wholeheartedly liking it. Before I get to that I will start with the parts that I did like.

I generally liked the art direction. While it wasn't groundbreaking, the futuristic cityscapes were nice and the character designs were fairly diverse and mostly palatable. I understand the complaints about the washed-out palette, but I figure that was done in order to hammer in the whole color coding of the factions. The plot did a decent job of setting up plenty of mysteries to keep me watching.

I would have lightly enjoyed the whole shebang, warts and all, but the ending completely killed it for me.
The protagonist known as Yashiro is basically invalidated as an individual, unconvincingly sacrificed (remember, the Silver King is outright stated to be immortal) and does nothing more than restore the status quo.

That ending pushed me back down to being completely apathetic. Le sigh. I should have stuck to the rec list like a sane person. I haven't decided what I want to watch next yet.

I thought it was an excellent story, with good music and visuals. If you truly did like the plot make sure you check out the various materials.
The light novels
K: Side Red
K: Side Blue
K: Side Black & White (good history on Kuroh's backstory and Neko)

The manga
K: Days of Blue (thus far gives good characterization to the various members of Septer4)
K: Stray Dog Story (excellent tie in for Kuro)
K: Memory of Red (amazing for Homra)

And the upcoming manga
K: The First (more on the kings)
Gakuen K (K but in highschool setting).
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
I did it, but I'm not sure if I should have.

K

So I've finally finished my first anime series.
It burns quite a bit right now.

ouch, of all the things that could have been your first exposure. At least one bad experience didn't turn you off to the medium like it does some people!
 

Kazzy

Member
I did it, but I'm not sure if I should have.

K

So I've finally finished my first anime series.
It burns quite a bit right now.

I don't outright regret watching it, but there were quite a few problems with it that kept me from wholeheartedly liking it. Before I get to that I will start with the parts that I did like.

It's usually customary to have an inverse trajectory of quality - work from the best shows, and then generally trudge lower and lower!

Things can only get better, right?

You had a Free! avatar for a while, no? Surely you've already seen that?
 
I just read it. I stand by my view that the Chimera Ants are worse. Moral compasses aside, it doesn't change the fact
that they are a dangerous force trying to exterminate humanity.

Don't get me wrong, the Phantom Troupe are still a bunch of assholes (especially since the
family members in the clan were still alive when they were beheaded, I mean damn.
) but they are still nowhere near as big as a threat as the Chimera Ants are.

Well yeah, chimera ants are a hell of a lot more dangerous than the Troupe and their existence is a massive threat to the world that Troupe couldn't compare to or else Netero wouldn't have gotten involved. I just find the shit they've done worse on a more personal scale and actually believe Kurapika has a right to revenge after that shit. None of the ants have
tortured, gouged out the eyes of, and beheaded children while forcing their parents to watch
(or at least not to our knowledge).
 
I mean most of the show is plot and characters that were mostly just stupid to the point of not being engaging at all, and the show was constantly dragging its feet. Even if someone liked the death sequences they make up a very small portion of the show.

Eh, I liked stuff outside of the death sequences as well. Atmosphere is very important for horror to me, and I thought it was pretty effective. I also legitimately felt bad for some of the students that got killed even if some of the actions leading up to them and the surviving students were pretty dumb. I wish it was more developed and the deaths were given more weight in the eyes of the people that witnessed that shit, but you can't dwell too long on that stuff when you're making Final Destination.
 

Caladrius

Member
It's usually customary to have an inverse trajectory of quality - work from the best shows, and then generally trudge lower and lower!

Things can only get better, right?

You had a Free! avatar for a while, no? Surely you've already seen that?

I've seen up to episode 7. When I realized that the main conflict was about to take center stage I jumped ship. I liked the characters (even if they weren't especially complex) and the silly parts, but the core plot didn't interest me in the slightest.

And the parts of Free that I saw didn't have well executed drama but at least the plot didn't look like Swiss cheese.

ouch, of all the things that could have been your first exposure. At least one bad experience didn't turn you off to the medium like it does some people!

I've read plenty of Manga, good and bad, so I knew that anime is going to have a similar distribution of gems and stinkers.
 
Is it another (potentially) awful show with a Miyukichi lead? Stop doing this to me NeoGainax I'm only one weak man.
No Miyukichi for now

Cast
Miyagi Prefecture
Naruko Aoba: Miho Arakawa
Takesuzume: Kouichi Yamadera

Ishikawa Prefecture
Yuri Inuwashi: Ryouko Shintani
Shishiku: Ryouta Takeuchi

Tokyo City
Rin Obari: Rie Murakawa
Mosuke: Satomi Arai

Shizuoka Prefecture
Matsuri Asama: Yoshino Nanjo
Toro: Mitsuo Iwata

Mie Prefecture
Reika Kamiki: Mikako Komatsu
Ebizou: Shigeru Chiba

Kyoto Prefecture
Mebuki Konoe: Kotori Koiwai
Oake-san: Arisa Nishiguchi

Kumamoto Prefecture
Renge Ariage: Yuka Terasaki
Ekuu: Kappei Yamaguchi
 

Kazzy

Member
And the parts of Free that I saw didn't have well executed drama but at least the plot didn't look like Swiss cheese.

The core conceit by which they elicit drama is extremely dumb. A more fitting title for the series would have been: Free! - a series of perceived slights.

And to think it's one of the handful of shows that I've actually dedicated time to watching this season...
 

Gazoinks

Member
You people and your watching bad things instead of good things. Take it upon yourselves to go watch Steins;Gate or Fate/Zero or something.
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
You people and your watching bad things instead of good things. Take it upon yourselves to go watch Steins;Gate or Fate/Zero or something.

I thought watching bad shows to spite other people was what we did in this thread.
 

hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Space Battleship Yamato 2199 - End

What a great series. I probably would have missed it were it not for AnimeGAF. I was putting off watching it because I wanted to watch all anime in the Yamato property from beginning to end in continuity but I'm glad I watched this.

This is easily in the top 5 anime I've seen this year and is a good reminder that some people still know how to properly end an anime strongly.... especially given this last season.

I can't remember the time I've seen CG and animation used so well together. My hats of to the art crew for their lovely designed female cast. The United "Space" Nations of hot women were well handled. I'd like to have seen more female solders but I'll take what I can get. Few things felt like wasted animation. I can't tell you how many times I would see a complex scene and then feel like the next perspective change was going to show something cheap because there's no way someone would spend the budget when they could simply just frame out the detail bits but this show would always deliver.

Desler is a son of a bitch and I loved just about every scene he was in.
He got a bit to soft at the end; I love my villains despicable so I can revel in their demise.
I wish I knew more about Iscandal and
the knocked up queen (a.k.a. The Yamato's Tactical Officer's dead brother shot up the club of the ship's former navigation systems's older sister :3)
. I think theirs room for a fascinating OVA there.

The attention to detail for these series in both plot and animation are fantastic and are alone enough to sell it but I genuinely found myself more and more invested as they gradually ramped up the pacing so if anyone feels the first few episode haven't hooked, definitely stick with it.
 
The core conceit by which they elicit drama is extremely dumb. A more fitting title for the series would have been: Free! - a series of perceived slights.

And to think it's one of the handful of shows that I've actually dedicated time to watching this season...
This season? You really are behind.
 

Kazzy

Member
You people and your watching bad things instead of good things. Take it upon yourselves to go watch Steins;Gate or Fate/Zero or something.

I thought watching bad shows to spite other people was what we did in this thread.

I thought that was the case too

Look at you all, being jaded whilst making jaded jokes about us being jaded.

Meta!

This season? You really are behind.

Ironically, moving to Japan means less time for games and anime!
 

Caladrius

Member
The core conceit by which they elicit drama is extremely dumb. A more fitting title for the series would have been: Free! - a series of perceived slights.

And to think it's one of the handful of shows that I've actually dedicated time to watching this season...

Now I know why Rise looks annoyed.

Looking back at it, Rei is probably one of the most aggressively unlikeable deuteragonists I've ever had the displeasure of seeing depicted in fiction and it makes the whole "I want him back with us" deal really senseless. If Haru seemed like a fundamentally broken or needy person it might have been believable, but it's clear that wasn't the case and the whole thing falls apart messily. I think it would have been better off if they had just said "fuck it" and made it a straight up slice-of-life deal. The plot reaches so hard for a reason to exist when there really is none.
 

Gazoinks

Member
Now I know why Rise looks annoyed.

Looking back at it, Rei is probably one of the most aggressively unlikeable deuteragonists I've ever had the displeasure of seeing depicted in fiction and it makes the whole "I want him back with us" deal really senseless. If Haru seemed like a fundamentally broken or needy person it might have been believable, but it's clear that wasn't the case and the whole thing falls apart messily. I think it would have been better off if they had just said "fuck it" and made it a straight up slice-of-life deal. The plot reaches so hard for a reason to exist when there really is none.

Funny, replace the names and this is more or less how I feel about Chu-2. Get the message KyoAni.
 

Nafe

Member
Happy Birthday to Watanabe Kazuma (apparently for real this time,haha).
Have a good one. (Again ;p)

PhantomOfTheKnight also mention New Years Eve was their birthday, so happy birthday to you too.
Hopefully you enjoy Wolf Children if you haven't seen it already.
 
Happy Birthday to Watanabe Kazuma (apparently for real this time,haha).
Have a good one. (Again ;p)

PhantomOfTheKnight also mention New Years Eve was their birthday, so happy birthday to you too.
Hopefully you enjoy Wolf Children if you haven't seen it already.
Happy birthday to the both of yous guys.
 
Happy Birthday guys!


Now I'm strangely more curious about this... list that Nafe has, but I kind of want to keep the suspense down.
 
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