PataHikari
Banned
No it isn't.
Censorship is when some OUTSIDE AGENCY, like the government, forces a change on art.
The creator of the art changing their work is editing.
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Bravely Default censored for western release
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No it isn't.
Censorship is when some OUTSIDE AGENCY, like the government, forces a change on art.
The creator of the art changing their work is editing.
If we're going to censor unrealistic outfits in videogames we might as well ban the whole medium to save us the time.
You're moving goalposts now. If children can have wide hips and boobs then any sexualization of any kind can be made into pedophilia.
"OMG, that woman is showing some cleavage, you know how some kids have cleavage too? Pedo alert!"
I don't even know what to say here.
You completely ignore the whole censorship argument, then make a strawman saying that editing is the same as censorship (which it isn't, editing something out because you're afraid of social scorn is censorship. Especially post launch and especially in different regions.)
Then have the balls to say the anyone who is against this wants children in sexy outfits.
What the actual fuck.
I even like the new designs aesthetically but this is just a load of bullshit.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Sounds like you're agreeing with me.
Im commenting on the fact that those who are "fine with the new designs" are going to be more vocal than those who actually do find the originals appealing.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, to be fair I'm not really against chibi or "loli" designs in general, although they're not my cup of tea most of the time (just aesthetically, although I do like the style sometimes like in the FF III remake).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravely_Default
Developer(s) Silicon Studio
Square Enix
I only see Nintendo as the publisher. Last time I checked a publisher and localizer aren't the creator
PataHikari
Banned
There's a difference between a child who's hit puberty and an adult you pedant.
Self-censorship is a thing, you know. Higher-ups in the company telling the artists to change the game for the west is not the same as the artists deciding to do it themselves without any pressure from someone else.
''Should quit gaming and do something he enjoys for once''
Seriously, are you up for a discussion or not? Because all you're spouting is hate and trying to prove your opinion rules over everything else.
That was my point?
Unknown Soldier
Member
Well Squenix wanted the feel of old-school FF, and Nintendo censored them just like they censored the localized old-school FF titles that were released on SNES and NES. Mission accomplished, I guess.
PataHikari
Banned
What's there to discuss?
The only people mad about this are pedophiles and people who think that any editing is censorship. The first are scum while the second can hopefully be brought around to not be on the same side as the pedophiles.
MisterHero
Super Member
clothes are censorship
everyone should be naked
everyone should be naked
FallingEdge
Member
I don't find either design to be better or worse. I just would like to play the game in its original form. Assets and text included.
I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say?
But I don't think an outfit can be unrealistic and over the top the same way a mortal kombat fatality can.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Purpose, intent and above all always context. All ridiculous outfits are not created for the same reasons or with the same purposes.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Wow.
pancakesandsex
Member
I think there's about as many belts on that dress as there are skulls in an MK fatality.
Fucking wow.
And if that is how you do see the characters, then of course I understand why you'd be uncomfortable with it. Everything is relative depending on each person's perspective and there is no right or wrong answer. That's why these threads always are so heated.
I just am so tired of the pedophilia shit that always comes out whenever these topics come up. It's always the one side that sees it one way calling the others pedos and then the "pedo" side screaming back saying no. And then nothing gets accomplished.
Your generalizations are pretty sweeping and gross. Isn't pedophile defined as being attracted to pre-pubescent children? None of the characters in this game fit that description, whether in the artwork or in-game models.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
You've pretty much given up on having a discussion because in your mind everyone that's against this is a pedo.
You're wrong.
it must be the 90s again because Square is making a good RPG and this viewpoint is x-treeemmme
We're quickly approaching the point where Poe's Law applies.
Vire
Member
Nothing if you're going to be this close-minded. :/ Seriously calm down with the generalizations and accusations.
Language drifts over time, nevermind that the basic concept is still there (external forces will not look favorably on this and may start something up or we'll get hit with harsher ratings than we want, change it.) You accused someone of being a pedant but this is being pretty pedantic too, and regardless the intent is being conveyed: this is a change done likely more to avoid offense than because they felt it worked better for a work.
Black Door
Banned
Welcome to the ignore list, brah
While I'm on the 'not bothered' side of the debate, this is easily the most appalling thing said in this thread. You know how smear by association works, right?
PataHikari
Banned
I think you should actually read my post.
I said that there were also people who don't really know what censorship is and think any sort of editing of a piece of art is censorship. This isn't true, obviously, but some people think it is and are a bit misguided.
They added 2 inches of clothing. Of course people are cancelling pre-orders.
That's a great GIF!
Pai Pai Master
Banned
No way dude. A completely different culture from our own can't possibly feel different about something than us. If you're defending it then you're a pedo.
That1BlackGuy
Member
Come on son.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I guess when it comes to stuff like this I have a hard time believing how someone can not perceive things that way. I mean, its pretty clear: with the unchanged version the developers are very deliberately displaying a very skimpily dressed fifteen year old female character. When people go "eww no I would never think that there was anything less then pure about this teen character wearing less clothing then most strippers, why do you even think that?" it seems almost willfully obtuse to me
its about as straightforward as a potato sack to me
nailbombxx
Member
This is pretty lame. Couldn't they have just raised the age of the characters and left the rest alone?
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I read your post, the idea that they are misguided is silly.
You're just trolling at this point.
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Nintendo has done this for over 20 years. It's a cultural thing. Religious talk and sexual content will be removed for the western audience to avoid things that might be taken the wrong way by a different culture.
It's the Japanese who do the edits...not the westerners, they know their audience.
Nintendo has done this for over 20 years. It's a cultural thing. Religious talk and sexual content will be removed for the western audience to avoid things that might be taken the wrong way by a different culture.
It's the Japanese who do the edits...not the westerners, they know their audience.
I think there's about as many belts on that dress as there are skulls in an MK fatality.
That's certainly over the top. But is it unrealistic? Could that outfit be made in real life?
In the case of a mortal kombat fatality I am pretty sure if a real human explodes there wouldn't be tons of femurs and skulls blowing out of it.
Either way I am pretty indifferent about this change, from a design perspective I dislike both the left and right outfits. I think they both look dumb, although the Japanese black outfit one looks really ridiculous.
Every thread on NeoGaf about chibi characters inevitably becomes a hellhole like this. Nobody is attracted to chibis. This shouldn't be difficult to understand.
Do either versions of the outfit really matter? Not really. There's nothing wrong with either of them. They're silly outfits on some silly looking characters. That's literally it.
Do either versions of the outfit really matter? Not really. There's nothing wrong with either of them. They're silly outfits on some silly looking characters. That's literally it.
PataHikari
Banned
They are misguided. Censorship is bad, but no artistic work not trying to be deliberately offensive to make a point will inevitably go through an editing process to try and see if anything might be offensive to people they're trying to show the art to.
Calling this censorship trivializes actual censorship.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's pretty unfortunate that relating my personal experience and insight into another culture is being equated to being a pitiable "Expert" just because I mentioned Japan.
FrostuTheNinja
Member
I think it's time to turn the mirror towards yourself.
I didn't expect this thread to have so many posts. GAF never ceases to amaze me.
I'll just say that I was never a big fan of the in-game models, even though I like the artist's style in general. So I don't give a shit whether they change the outfits or not.
As long as the story and related stuff remain unaffected, it's all good imo.
This would've been a fun topic to discuss via swapnote, but alas, Nintendo would deny us even that
I'll just say that I was never a big fan of the in-game models, even though I like the artist's style in general. So I don't give a shit whether they change the outfits or not.
As long as the story and related stuff remain unaffected, it's all good imo.
This would've been a fun topic to discuss via swapnote, but alas, Nintendo would deny us even that
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