I can absolutely understand this. In a perfect world, we could just import all the games and everyone would be happy.
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Bravely Default censored for western release
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I can absolutely understand this. In a perfect world, we could just import all the games and everyone would be happy.
Learn Japanese. Seriously, translation is always a bastardization of the original work and so the only way you're getting a pure one is through knowing the language and reading/watching/playing the original.
There's a lot of things you can do in fantasy fiction. I still wouldn't put 15 year olds in lingerie.
freenudemacusers
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while they may have the appearance and mannerisms of children, I assure you they are just wearing the uniforms provided by their secondary school administration.
What is it then? You think this is how they intended the final release to be? Why does the rest of the world get a different game then? Which Bravely Default is the real one?
EDIT: I'm a fucking idiot the West is not only the US. I just assumed too much like I always do.
PataHikari
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Still not censorship, no matter what a dumb wikipedia article says.
Not having something in a work because you'd think it'll offend people isn't censorship, it's basic editing. Every single story ever made that wasn't deliberately offensive is now censored I guess.
Curry-Hakase
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They should censor the animal ears or completely remove those furry costumes, I don't want them promoting bestiality in MY country. Hmph.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Okay, I don't normally "quote myself for the next page", but I'm trying to get at the crux of an argument that I feel lots of people are trying to advance
If them being cartoons imagined in a fantasy world that barely resemble real humans divorces their design from any meaning then why did the designers come up with these skimpy, revealing outfits? Why did the designers bother to make them even look human, or look female, or look young? You can't have it both ways, either the game isn't representational and so the aesthetic design is meaningless or else the game is, on some level representational (
) and there is meaning associated with designs.
If them being cartoons imagined in a fantasy world that barely resemble real humans divorces their design from any meaning then why did the designers come up with these skimpy, revealing outfits? Why did the designers bother to make them even look human, or look female, or look young? You can't have it both ways, either the game isn't representational and so the aesthetic design is meaningless or else the game is, on some level representational (
hint: it is
PataHikari
Banned
The one that doesn't have images of sexualized children.
Like, this is a simple fact.
If you're against this change, you are supporting sexualizing children.
AtomskEater
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I had typed up a post to this effect and deleted it because I thought it sounded dumb, but I guess others feel the same way. Regardless of my earlier joke about Ringabel's costume, even that wouldn't do anything for me. The proportions in-game are so off that the characters resemble humans in a pretty rudimentary way (a head and a body with four limbs), but they're closer to troll dolls than looking like actual children.
Or they could just include both. Censored and non censored. Modern Warfare 2 managed to do that as well with their "Some content might be considered disturbing, do you want to skip that mission" option.
FallingEdge
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They may look 15 but they have the feel of 18.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Having the option there didn't avoid one shred of controversy.
Unknown Soldier
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They Elin'd Bravely Default.
Really? Eh okay I'm off my rocker.
chickdigger802
Banned
i dont get why everyone is so bothered. these characters are shaped like sacks of potatoes.
do you blush when you see a sack of potatoes in a thong?
do you blush when you see a sack of potatoes in a thong?
Mauricio_Magus
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A simple fact is that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
They put them in those clothes and chose that art style because it is a fantasy world in a video game. That's the cool thing about drawing and being creative, you can do whatever you want. They decided to try to make these humanoid things look sexy once in a while. Whether someone thinks it's fucked up or not is up to them, and if they can detach fiction from reality. But I think what's really fucked up are some of the people in here who are being ridiculously condescending to anyone who even might slightly like the art style chosen. It's close minded and pathetic.
Mr.Monitor
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True enough. This may be a little off topic, but are there any decent resources for this online? I don't believe my local uni offers Japanese courses.
chaobreaker
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Good. More copies for everyone that doesn't have shaky principles.
This is coming from the guy with an avatar of a little girl wearing a belly dancer's outfit.
timetokill
Banned
Is Europe in North America now?
flatearthpandas
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If those stories were published in one market and then purposefully changed for another... yes... that would be censorship.
Will they censor this ones too?
Uh, for a chibi styled game, that's some realistic shading in the crotch area.
Murder. She Wrote
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That doesn't change anything. The race of almost naked little girls in Tera are thousands of years old but that doesn't change the fact that they are modeled to look like children. In Kill la Kill the suit is super embarrassing and they explain why, but that doesn't change the fact that its just pandering to a certain demographic.
Imagine a game where all the women are naked, while all the men are clothed. Now imagine that in the game world, it makes complete sense. Does that make it ok? Does it make this imaginary game any less problematic? Of course not.
Curry-Hakase
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Screw the outfits changes and stuff, that barely detracts from the experience.
But changing the dialogue AND toning down the sexual innuendos? WOW, let's just pretend 15 year old teens aren't horny and thinking about sex everyday.
Like, do what you want because it's your game, but I personally think that it's just plain dumb and unnecessary, we have younger people committing mass shootings and you're concerned about sexual innuendos on a rated Teen game.
But changing the dialogue AND toning down the sexual innuendos? WOW, let's just pretend 15 year old teens aren't horny and thinking about sex everyday.
Like, do what you want because it's your game, but I personally think that it's just plain dumb and unnecessary, we have younger people committing mass shootings and you're concerned about sexual innuendos on a rated Teen game.
Vire
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Putting characters in thongs and skirts is the opposite of what I would call "creative".
It's actually what I would call "lazy".
That's it, I give up. I'm outta here.
Sorry yeah I made a mistake.
PataHikari
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The characters in Bravely Default look like children.
In the Japanese release these children are dressed up in sexy outfits for some situations.
The western release changed it so it's less obviously sexual.
It seems pretty cut and dried to me. if you're against this change (NOT censorship) then you want children in sexy outfits.
Ringabel is still hilarious though.
Looking at what's been changed, I'm more appalled by Japan's love for underage girls than by this "censorship".
Nevertheless,
Looking at what's been changed, I'm more appalled by Japan's love for underage girls than by this "censorship".
Nevertheless,
is a silly excuse of an argument to make.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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what
I don't really mind the costume changes myself, but how does not liking costume edits of fictional characters in a video game=supporting the sexualization of children?
Mr.Monitor
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Yes, if the sacks are fifteen years old.
Wonderful, thanks bro. I don't have one of those new year's resolutions yet, so maybe learning me some moonspeak can be it.
There's a thread here to get started.
Sacks of potatoes from 15 years ago? I don't think blushing would be your first reaction unless you have a very unusual fetish.
BoosterDuck
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the feel of 60 fps?
Yes, let's magically forget every other piece of artwork and creative talent that went into making the game and focus on one thong. Jesus christ...
PataHikari
Banned
Yes because that one thing is creepy, and the game is better for it being gone.
I can partly understand this argument. But then, on the other hand, they are clearly depicted as humans on the cover art and in merchandise. Again, they are potatoe sacks in game, which to some (maybe rightly so) is the only environment deserving being called the "game experience".
But again, it just feels wrong to me personally. (I don't claim to be everyone though.)
I just want to know where all this talk about the "Developer" is censoring this game so it's not censorship is coming from. It's not the developer that is censoring the game, it's the publisher NINTENDO that is censoring the game which the last time I checked didn't have a hand in making it 
. Say and feel whatever you want about this issue, it doesn't change the fact that is indeed very much censorship.
. Say and feel whatever you want about this issue, it doesn't change the fact that is indeed very much censorship.The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
But this is my point. If you think it looks "sexy" you are also, by your argument, "unable to detach fiction from reality" because you are referencing the images in the game to real life concepts. If you think they look like people you are "unable to detach fiction from reality"
Glass Rebel
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Eh, most of the stuff was around Florem and fit perfectly within the beauty craze theme.
MrCookiepants
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It's an improvement.
ROFL, great post.
Because they felt like it?
BocoDragon
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And apparently from the content of most videogames, gamers like to murder people.
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