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NPD Sales Results for December 2013 [Up2: Xbox One/360 HW, 3DS top system of year]

"According to the latest NPD report, PlayStation 4 remains the cumulative leader for next gen console sales in the US since the launch on November 15," said Sony's senior director of corporate communications, Dan Race.

"We sold every PS4 available at retail in the US and were out of stock in December due to overwhelming consumer demand. With more than 4.2 million PS4 systems sold worldwide, it's clear that the PS4's gaming and entertainment features are resonating with large audiences and we're doing our best to provide additional inventory in all of the 53 countries where it's available," added Race.
 
MGS games sell well, but aren't quite monster blockbusters. And besides, Ground Zero isn't exactly MGS5.

Diablo III expansion is a wild card, but you're right about that one. I literally forgot it was coming out in March, because Diablo III.

I was just saying, the guy who said it would destroy everything was exegerating. Titanfall could come out on top, but there are other games that could sell better, dont ever underestimate MGS or Diablo.
 

Amir0x

Banned
Alright, now I'm getting confused as to who's joking or not.

Since Microsoft has 6 out of the 10 slots for software sales in "new gen", I think that's what Alberto is alluding to.

Otherwise, all the hardware sales indicate is how supply constrained Sony is, and how Microsoft was able to meet demand in its key territory.
 

Griss

Member
Yeah, I think Sony (and Nintendo) had to learn that 250-300 is not sustainable for hardware dedicated to gaming. These things need to come out at 169.99 at most and decrease quickly to get the attention of mom and dad who want some device to distract their kids. For gaming dedicated handhelds, you really can't dismiss how powerful that part of the market is.

But overall, I just think the market is moving on from handhelds dedicated to gaming. Most people have smartphones or tablets that do gaming adequately enough for their tastes, since they would not consider themselves "hardcore gamers." I just hope Nintendo can come up with some revolutionary idea to change the trajectory of gaming dedicated handheld hardware...

I'm not sure a handheld sold at $169.99 from the get-go will do any better so long as games cost $40-$50. Both companies need to realise that they can't do the whole AAA console thing on handhelds - it's too expensive and the consumer doesn't appreciate it. Games like Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem are both the present and future of handheld gaming, and they just need to be cheaper. Games like Killzone Liberation or whatever it was called - those will die a death.
 
That is the most important thing. They need to experiment or find a way to sell the normal game experiences in chunks or come up with more games $5-$15


Well, it might be off topic, but I think Capcom missed an opportunity with Ace Attorney 5. I think they could've sold chapters individually.
I also think that in USA, the problem is lesser than in Europe. At least, DS games were 40 dollars and 3DS games are 40 dollars. But in Europe, or at least in France, price bumped... from 40€ to 50€.
I think that next generation, 40€ should be premium software price, and 30€ should be a trend for AA titles.
But I also think they should try to get on the episodic model for some games.
 

Jamix012

Member
You happen to be wrong, but that's OK. 3DS isn't meeting anyone's expectations, even Nintendo's.

Yes because Nintendo are known for hitting their ridiculous expectations. The 3DS is a successful machine. What's more surprising in that, the month after launch when hype was still ripe and supply was plentiful, a brand new console couldn't even outsell it (the PS4 was supply constrained so it's obviously got a free pass.) I fail to see how doing that, along with being the best selling system pretty much everywhere worldwide, makes it a failure. If the top console of the year and month is a failure, everything is. But it's not, so we move on. You can judge it completely against it's predessecor if you want, that's fine. I don't, because the market has irrefutably changed and would've changed regardless what Nintendo did.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Sony seems content to twiddle their thumbs until inFamous.

I wouldn't say they're twiddling their thumbs rather than sternly glaring at Evolution, and also possibly gritting their teeth at Ready at Dawn.
 

antitrop

Member
I was just saying, the guy who said it would destroy everything was exegerating. Titanfall could come out on top, but there are other games that could sell better, dont ever underestimate MGS or Diablo.

What's MGS4's LTD, like 5 million or something? I'm expecting Titanfall to do that in one month. And like I said, Ground Zero isn't even MGS5.
 

Pain

Banned
Even if Microsoft only shipped the same amount of systems in 2013 as sony shipped PS4s, they still wouldn't have sold out given that they still sold less than the PS4 in the US in 2013.

So I wouldn't oversell these supply issues too much. To this point they still seem to be shipping plenty of units.
They got outsold by their $100 more expensive competitor with weaker specs and bad press. Sony can do better.
 
This is where Sony's anemic launch lineup kind of hurt them. They rode through November on hype, but when people were looking at software, Microsoft had three launch exclusives (two of which mostly well-liked by critics) and was already hyping up Titanfall in March.

Sony seems content to twiddle their thumbs until inFamous.

Dude, PS4s were selling out within hours if not minutes of getting in stock for the entire month of December in the US. XBone outselling it is due to MS being able to ship more XBones to the US than Sony could PS4s, nothing more.
 
Why are people cheerleading for corporations.

These corporations take NPD numbers very seriously, and use them as a factor when deciding future corporate strategy for their products.

Also, some of us have personal, emotional, or financial connections to the companies.

For example, I have good friends at Nintendo and I have money in the company, so Nintendo's NPD performance is very important to me.
 
2012 didn't have a budget SKU launch or Pokemon.

I'm not exactly sure what's left in Nintendo's arsenal to prevent further decline.

They need a way to continue selling their great $40 games but also push the eshop and more low and middle price games. Casuals need to know that the 3DS also has cheaper games than the ones in retail, but Nintendo has to push more this type of experiences and also hope they land a Candy Crush.
 

Amir0x

Banned
I'm not sure a handheld sold at $169.99 from the get-go will do any better so long as games cost $40-$50. Both companies need to realise that they can't do the whole AAA console thing on handhelds - it's too expensive and the consumer doesn't appreciate it. Games like Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem are both the present and future of handheld gaming, and they just need to be cheaper. Games like Killzone Liberation or whatever it was called - those will die a death.

I'd agree with this too. No matter what we personally desire, they need to get games at $29.99 or less all the time. And they need to focus purely on games that are great in small bursts, instead of epic games. Sony keeps wanting to tout the "console-like" experiences of Vita games, until they had to turn it into an all-purpose indie machine, but it's too late now, and the thing is still too expensive vs. its competitor which has now a huge dominance in pure software.

It's a shame, since Vita is the most impressive piece of gaming dedicated handheld hardware ever made, with the best integrated online and OS functionality around, but it tanked because Sony read the market wrong.

I just hope Nintendo doesn't make the same mistake as Sony did next-gen, or we might lose the gaming dedicated handheld market quicker than it already seems likely to go.
 

Pain

Banned
"According to the latest NPD report, PlayStation 4 remains the cumulative leader for next gen console sales in the US since the launch on November 15," said Sony's senior director of corporate communications, Dan Race.

"We sold every PS4 available at retail in the US and were out of stock in December due to overwhelming consumer demand. With more than 4.2 million PS4 systems sold worldwide, it's clear that the PS4's gaming and entertainment features are resonating with large audiences and we're doing our best to provide additional inventory in all of the 53 countries where it's available," added Race.
Underlined for truth.
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
What's MGS4's LTD, like 5 million or something? I'm expecting Titanfall to do that in one month. And like I said, Ground Zero isn't even MGS5.

Forgot about 360 version, but 5 million for a new IP seems like a stretch.
 
What's MGS4's LTD, like 5 million or something? I'm expecting Titanfall to do that in one month. And like I said, Ground Zero isn't even MGS5.

A new IP with no singleplayer at full price, selling 5 million in a month highly doubt it. I think BF3-4 didnt even manage that.
 
2012 didn't have a budget SKU launch or Pokemon.

I'm not exactly sure what's left in Nintendo's arsenal to prevent further decline.



As he said, you can spin this in a lot of ways. 2012 had the launch of 3DS XL, which is the best selling 3DS model. 2012 also didn't had 2 new consoles launching and getting attention.
But still, 3DS pulled some nice numbers.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Wi U > 460k saved Iwata.

Heaven help investors and the company entire if they settle for "Its WiiU's best selling month yet! Road to recovery!" spin.

These corporations take NPD numbers very seriously, and use them as a factor when deciding future corporate strategy for their products.

Also, some of us have personal, emotional, or financial connections to the companies.

For example, I have good friends at Nintendo and I have money in the company, so Nintendo's NPD performance is very important to me.

Why didn't you cash out on that "MAYBE THINGS ARE FINE!!!" uptick :/
 
Yes because Nintendo are known for hitting their ridiculous expectations. The 3DS is a successful machine. What's more surprising in that, the month after launch when hype was still ripe and supply was plentiful, a brand new console couldn't even outsell it (the PS4 was supply constrained so that remains to be seen.) I fail to see how doing that, along with being the best selling system pretty much everywhere worldwide, makes it a failure. If the top console of the year and month is a failure, everything is. But it's not, so we move on. Keep your wrong opinion.
Your premise assumes that the home console and handheld markets are a singular entity.

One system is viable in the handheld market.
Multiple systems are viably competing in the home console market.
 

chadboban

Member
These corporations take NPD numbers very seriously, and use them as a factor when deciding future corporate strategy for their products.

Also, some of us have personal, emotional, or financial connections to the companies.

For example, I have good friends at Nintendo and I have money in the company, so Nintendo's NPD performance is very important to me.

This is probably going to be one of the few reasonable responses we will ever see to that question.
 

kswiston

Member
Since Microsoft has 6 out of the 10 slots for software sales in "new gen", I think that's what Alberto is alluding to.

Otherwise, all the hardware sales indicate is how supply constrained Sony is, and how Microsoft was able to meet demand in its key territory.

PS4 exclusives were sort of shit. I'm guessing the 4 PS4 entries that made the top 10 were Ghosts, BF4, Assassin's Creed 4, and either Madden or NBA. I wonder how those performed compared to their XB1 counterparts.
 

antitrop

Member
This guy thinks Titanfall will sell 5 million in one month? A new IP on a platform that can't come close to supporting those kind of sales yet? I doubt the Xbox One will be at 10 million by the time it releases. You're expecting around a 50% attach rate?
Have you forgotten that Titanfall is launching on 360 and PC?
 

SargerusBR

I love Pokken!
This guy thinks Titanfall will sell 5 million in one month? A new IP on a platform that can't come close to supporting those kind of sales yet? I doubt the Xbox One will be at 10 million by the time it releases. You're expecting around a 50% attach rate?

Titanfall will launch simultaneously on Xbone, 360 and PC.
 
What's MGS4's LTD, like 5 million or something? I'm expecting Titanfall to do that in one month. And like I said, Ground Zero isn't even MGS5.

5 million, lol.

I have the most dudebro friends, the ones who buy CoD, BF, Halo, etc NONE of them even know what Titanfall is. No one outside the hardcore know anything about Titanfall.
 
These corporations take NPD numbers very seriously, and use them as a factor when deciding future corporate strategy for their products.

Also, some of us have personal, emotional, or financial connections to the companies.

For example, I have good friends at Nintendo and I have money in the company, so Nintendo's NPD performance is very important to me.

How much have you got invested?
 
Microsoft flooded the US market with X1s and it paid off for them, due to pent up consumer demand for new consoles and parents rushing to get christmas gifts. Smart move on their part, but they are going to have issues once PS4s are readily available. Impressive numbers for a console at $500.
 

ascii42

Member
PS4 exclusives were sort of shit. I'm guessing the 4 PS4 entries that made the top 10 were Ghosts, BF4, Assassin's Creed 4, and either Madden or NBA. I wonder how those performed compared to their XB1 counterparts.

On the table in the OP, the order of consoles listed for a game tells you that.
 

inky

Member
Poor WiiU. I wonder if they'll just ride it out, or make the same mistake again (mid-gen console release).
 

Amir0x

Banned
This guy thinks Titanfall will sell 5 million in one month? A new IP on a platform that can't come close to supporting those kind of sales yet? I doubt the Xbox One will be at 10 million by the time it releases. You're expecting around a 50% attach rate?

Haha, 10 million by the time Titanfall releases? Titanfall comes out March 13. XBO will be lucky to have 5 million by that time :p

But it is coming out on 360 and PC as well. That is where the bulk of the sales will have to come in to reach the big numbers some are predicting, which is a little weird considering how hard it is being touted as an XBO big gun (we don't even know how the 360 version will turn out).

I personally thought Call of Duty and its ilk ruined the modern competitve FPS landscape, so I'm skeptical about Titanfall, even though I have a PC beyond capable of playing it. But my skepticism aside, I am predicting it'll sell 3 million in the first half of the year, probably 5 million by the end of the year. Which is still a healthy number for a new franchise
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
They can't.
We already got some January numbers.

Maybe Iwata can get away with faking multiple personality disorder.

"Oh, japanese sales data? No, I'm the US CEO. You want the other guy."
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
I'd agree with this too. No matter what we personally desire, they need to get games at $29.99 or less all the time. And they need to focus purely on games that are great in small bursts, instead of epic games. Sony keeps wanting to tout the "console-like" experiences of Vita games, until they had to turn it into an all-purpose indie machine, but it's too late now, and the thing is still too expensive vs. its competitor which has now a huge dominance in pure software.

It's a shame, since Vita is the most impressive piece of gaming dedicated handheld hardware ever made, with the best integrated online and OS functionality around, but it tanked because Sony read the market wrong.

I just hope Nintendo doesn't make the same mistake as Sony did next-gen, or we might lose the gaming dedicated handheld market quicker than it already seems likely to go.

Having digital SKUs priced 10 Dollars lower than retail SKUs and selling download codes at those prices in store would ne a beginning in solving that problem.
 
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