Dictator93
Member
That makes me wonder what Ryse would look like or run like on PS4....
Or a competent PC for that matter.
Or a competent PC for that matter.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition - PlayStation 4 = ~60fps, Xbox One = ~30fps
- Thread starter EatChildren
- Start date
- Status
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
No way man. Maybe if your just the general public could you make this claim but before launch there was news item after news item on the differences in 3rd party games. I got a XBone for DR3 and Halo not 3rd party. Anyone that is getting the system thinking it's going to be comparable to the PS4 was just being obtuse
Yeah, that was a poorly worded, over-generalized post I made. It's true that many were mislead by the disingenuous (or straight up ignorant) press to think the differences were truly minimal.
It's why we need better games journalists that aren't beholden to corporate interests. People shouldn't have to rely on something like NeoGAF to get the truth.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
LOL. You are on page 74 of a thread about the PS4 version being 60fps and you're still wondering if it's true?!
pokeystaples
Banned
I think 30 vs 60 is noticeable, but some people don't. If you only have one, play the system you have and don't stress the other. If you have both, buy it for PS4 unless you really want the achievements or really prefer the other controller.
LittleJohnny
Banned
To be honest, after giving it a little more thought, this is not too surprising. Here's why...
We already saw BF4 performance on both consoles. BF4 was running 1600 x 900 on the PS4 vs 1280 x 720 on Xbone in order to achieve framerate parity. It stands to reason then that with the PS4 running 1920 x 1080 @ 60fps, Xbone would have to run 1600 x 900 in order to achieve framerate parity, but it looks like they decided to keep both at 1920 x 1080, so obviously the framerate becomes the variable, 35 vs 55.
Does anyone think that going with 1600 x 900 for the bone would have been a better choice?
We already saw BF4 performance on both consoles. BF4 was running 1600 x 900 on the PS4 vs 1280 x 720 on Xbone in order to achieve framerate parity. It stands to reason then that with the PS4 running 1920 x 1080 @ 60fps, Xbone would have to run 1600 x 900 in order to achieve framerate parity, but it looks like they decided to keep both at 1920 x 1080, so obviously the framerate becomes the variable, 35 vs 55.
Does anyone think that going with 1600 x 900 for the bone would have been a better choice?
Version 3.0
Member
It has everything to do with the console war, for some people. That's the whole point. Some people are willing to put their head in the sand for the sake of brand loyalty. And, of course, it doesn't help when these poor souls are lied to and believe it.
RealityPales
Member
I had to watch that gif like 20 times in a row. It's seamless.
Angry at whom though? Who do "they" think is to blame here? Microsoft, for not prioritizing video games the same way Sony seemingly did? Square Enix, for not being able to produce 1080p/60FPS on the Xbox One? Themselves, for buying the console hoping everything would balance out on a hardware level, although the writing was on the wall months before the console came out? I just don't get it.
The PS4 is great, the Xbox One is great. Both have their benefits, both have their shortcomings. You know your preferences, pick one. It's an open market for god's sake.
Dreams-Visions
Member
That's interesting, but unlikely. If you're an Xbox man, then you played enough PGR to know that 30fps kinda sucks for certain games and genres. If you played Ninja Gaiden/Black, you'd know that anything less than 60fps would have been uncivilized. Same with Dead or Alive 4. It's that smoothness that makes everything look more fluid and natural on your screen. Go from playing and panning the screen around in Ninja Gaiden to playing and panning around in Grand Theft Auto. The difference is jarring and always has been.
You always can see when a game is meaningfully above 30fps. That's why people prefer it if they can get their hands on it.
you forget that in theory the esram is faster than the gddr5. not denying that the ps4 always will have the better specs, just saying that the one can make a big leap near the ps4 performance-wise with tiled ressources
Let me draw a diagram for you:
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
I didn`t read the thread (no time). Is it already confirmed?
PGR3 and PGR4 are still the two very best racers from last generation. Unbeaten.
30FPS didn't do jack shit in the end.
Phire Phox
Banned
Looks exactly the same with slightly better resolution and/or framerate. Or have the same resolution and framerate and look slightly better.
ref
Member
Not surprised, we already see the difference with AC4, BF4, CoD Ghosts.
PS4 is simply the more powerful system as we all knew it was going to be.
If you play multi platform games on consoles and want the best looking visual experience, PS4 is the way to go.
30 to ~60 is a pretty massive difference though.
PS4 is simply the more powerful system as we all knew it was going to be.
If you play multi platform games on consoles and want the best looking visual experience, PS4 is the way to go.
30 to ~60 is a pretty massive difference though.
LittleJohnny
Banned
SimpleGamer
Member
Idk why I laughed so hard at the diagram lolLet me draw a diagram for you:
eddfromtheriver
Banned
We seem to have gone full circle again so, once more:
Hahahahaha!!!, yeah... and as a side note... XB1 owners with buyers remorse may still be able to sell it at a decent price and get the system with the superior tech specs instead.
No one answer this man. If you want to know what's in the thread, read the thread.
It's a combination of all three to be honest, speaking from experience. I'm even angry!
Angry that I love Halo and need Titanfall after playing the alpha. They've got me by the balls and there is nothing I can do about it. I'm a student and I can't afford both :/
Misterxmedia doesn't disappoint.
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/152578.html
The new excuse is 'driver support'.
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/152578.html
The new excuse is 'driver support'.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Sure, until you played Forza 3 or Burnout Revenge (my favorite racer from last generation) and remembered what 60FPS looks like on a racing game.
Beautiful.Let me draw a diagram for you:
my skills are elite obviously.
Things I learned from this thread:
Now a question:
How many folks who already have played through the game on PS3/360 are planning to double dip despite the full price?
- Objectively, it is what it is and wrapping it in sensational adjectives only displays personal bias.
- Although extremely difficult, it is best restrain that inner troll lest one desires ban.
- Junior members coming out of woodwork and getting banned may indicate that people from marketing agencies are still signing up.
- A Gies' life would finally find meaning working for MS.
- Be very weary of ElTorro's posts when you are in a place of quietness and/or are eating, drinking.
Now a question:
How many folks who already have played through the game on PS3/360 are planning to double dip despite the full price?
slightly, I love that word
oh absolutely. I just had a few friends who actually read those initial comparisons prior to the corrections or clearing the air. Damage was already done. My buddy was extremely pissed about CoD being 720p.
Tomb Raider will definitely reinforce the point, but some of the early adopters got duped prior to realworld comparisons.
I see, I'm sure your right. I can absolutely not understand it though. I mean I like Nintendo games and their general idea of what video games should be. But I can also see and criticize their shortcomings and act rationally.
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
Haha, 74 pages are A LOT. But i guess eat children is trustworthy and knows what he is talking.
LittleJohnny
Banned
At times the PS4 version could be running 60fps best case scenario, while at times the Bone could be running 45fps best case scenario. The average is supposed to be somewhere like 35 vs 55 I believe, basically the same as the difference between BF4 where PS4 is running at 900p vs 720p and they achieve framerate partity. Here however they chose pixel parity at the expense of framerate.
No. Not Forza 2, not Forza 3, not GT5 nor GT6 could reach the heights of the masterpieces created by Bizarre. And I played them all.
Well if you read through the entirety of this thread, 30fps has now become unacceptable. Really sometimes I don't think people will be happy until MS closes down the Xbox division and probably refunds everyone who bought an X1.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
Hahahahahaha!!!... my sides!!!... somebody send that to Penello/Nelson.
3rdamention
Member
Major is too, and he cannot wait. We will get the truth one day, and if Major cannot wait for that day, neither can we.
Major Nelson made that quote on Reddit (4 months ago I might add) in defense of Albert Penello's comment here on GAF about "There is no way we are giving up a 30% + advantage to Sony!" So Major said the truth will come out in the "next few months" so I assume it is taking a bit longer than that.
Albert Penello, by the way, hasn't posted on NeoGaf since Nov. 23 of 2013. However, his last activity on NeoGaf was this morning around 7:38am. So Albert is around, he is just presently lurking.
NullPointer
Member
Chobel
Member
You know that in BF4 PS4 has also better framerate, right? Sure not 30 fps difference but between 5-12 fps in many scenes.
ModifiedDefaults
Banned
But when will the system with the superior tech get all of XO's exclusives that they may want to play?
I was speaking for the general public though. My coworkers.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Well that's like, your opinion man.
I won't argue your opinion because that's yours, period. Personally, I would have liked to have seen PGR at 60fps. But...we can't always have what we want. Carry on, good sir.
If people are being honest...many more GAFers than were going to yesterday. But still not at full price unless they're really thirsty for something new to play. I personally am not that damn thirsty, but I have a full Steam library, a One and a bunch of PS4 games I've barely even started to keep me warm at night.
Others may have worn their games out already and need something to get them to and through February.
I don't see how anyone can claim to feel duped by the X1 because it doesn't run games 100% equal to the PS4 or better. There's nothing on the Box or the advertisements that explicitely claims everything you play on this console will be better than the PS4 version. Until it does anyone feeling duped needs to get over themselves and just enjoy the console for the games or trade it in.
Seriously? This gloating is really uncouth.
The same sentiment that PS3 owners had last gen save the "superior tech" portion being replaced by "that is easier to program for" and substituting PS3 for "XO".
eddfromtheriver
Banned
To me there ain't any. Other people may see some, not me though... so it's all peachy.
Dreams-Visions
Member
It's just a comedy skit and fake rap battle. PM me if you want me to dig up the youtube. It's pretty funny if you're into rap battles.
pls.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Yep. I honestly loved the game. One of my top 10 games of 2013, and the fact that there's not that much to play on my PS4 is making me buy this Day One.
Wonko_C
Member
Oooh I get it! Because he is the "One". Hehehehehe... wait where are you all going?
I see. So you fell kinda... helpless maybe? You enjoy the games they offer but at the same time dislike the decision around the games. Xbox being a special case here. In the past being core gamer platform number one (I loved the Xbox 360 so much at the start of the generation) it's getting more and more obvious that the brand Xbox has changed its character, due to personal and strategic changes surrounding it. I feel you. (I'm a student too by the way, let's be poor together.)
Claiming 30 FPS has become unacceptable is pretty irrational as well. Moving forward things have to change however, they have to evolve. Otherwise the medium would just stagnate. Personally, if I had an Xbox One that is, I'd probably be in favour of 720p and 60 FPS. I'm sure lots of Xbox One owners would agree with me.
Hey guys can we stop talking about stuff like this, other wise video games will never be taken seriously in pop culture
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/resolutiongate-video-games-mainstream-respect
Really odd article that pushes that we should stop focusing on technology and nit picking in games and misses the point in a lot of ways.
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/resolutiongate-video-games-mainstream-respect
Really odd article that pushes that we should stop focusing on technology and nit picking in games and misses the point in a lot of ways.
- Status