AHA-Lambda
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But for the same money you can get games that are also great and longer too?
I don't see why people keep bring up this poor argument.
Konami themselves are boasting Lords of Shadow 2's 20+ hour length for almost the same price!
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Game Informer played through MGS Ground Zeroes' main mission in [1.5hrs, not rushing]
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But for the same money you can get games that are also great and longer too?
I don't see why people keep bring up this poor argument.
Konami themselves are boasting Lords of Shadow 2's 20+ hour length for almost the same price!
And it's a game journalist too, not some lazy writer who obfuscates for attention or anything.
Graphics Horse
Member
So Konami are telling fans to buy Ground Zeroes or they'll have to wait longer to get their hands on the main game?
That's basically holding The Phantom Pain for ransom.
I think it was more ambiguous, saying when they release it depends on GZ's performance, they didn't say which direction the release date would go if it was a success!
MGS4 was longer than that. MGS2 though? Probably about right.
Shit, it's not even the length of Ground Zeroes that bothers me. It's the fact that I'm pretty sure it's going to be packed in with Phantom Pain anyway.
Freaky Fred
Banned
whoops, my memory is bad as it was 13 years ago, guess it was only $50.
but isn't ZOE like a 5 hour game? So it's fine to pay $50 for a 5hr game and a 1hr demo(that you could easily beat in 20 minutes), but paying $40 for a supposedly 4 hour demo(that we have barely any details about) is crazy according to people in this thread?
If it's a success, MGS 5 will probably take even longer to come out so they can milk the most sales from Ground Zeroes.
sammyCYBORG
Member
Anyone who buys this is supporting companies releasing the first few hours of an unfinished game for 2/3s the price of a full game.
It'll be an even worse trend than F2P and in-game purchases.
It'll be an even worse trend than F2P and in-game purchases.
Love Deterrence
Member
Seems pretty clear that they completed the main Ground Zeroes mission within that time frame. Don't get what people are still arguing about at this point? If you're a fan of the series and plan on playing this, then what difference does it make whether or not someone else feels their purchase is justified?
They "experimented" with them.
Side missions have always been a big part of Metal Gear (for me, at least). They aren't exactly everyone's cup of tea, however, so just like anything else, people will value this how they will.
They "experimented" with them.
Side missions have always been a big part of Metal Gear (for me, at least). They aren't exactly everyone's cup of tea, however, so just like anything else, people will value this how they will.
well, it's probably not all the same people, but yes, the buzz around ZOE was that it was a game you got for free with the MGS2 demo.
Crows are gonna be extinct when the dust settles
I'm buying it, but I'd never do it for any other series.
Except Kickstarter projects are usually for people who need the money desperately. Then again, Konami's business practices are so foolish that they're probably hemorrhaging cash at the moment.
sammyCYBORG
Member
Well that message won't get through to other publishers, will it?
They'll see +$40 and that will be that.
Something to think about. If I didn't think this would influence the industry as a whole I'd have no problem with people deciding if they think it's worth it or not
What were the goal posts to begin with? I'm arguing time doesn't always equal value. I assumed cutscenes and retries counted when it came to the final game time, I was wrong about that. Those assumptions lead me to believe my final game time was 5 hours, and after playing through the game many times, my first playthrough being a year ago, I forgot the specific time I beat the game.
Are you arguing Rising is actually not a short game based on the things you listed not counting towards final play time?
RPGCrazied
Member
Guess I'll bite. They say 4 hours and experimented with extra modes, means they didn't get that far into them? Maybe it'll have VR missions too. Then there is the phsyical versions getting more content than the digital version.
Only $30 for me cause I'm getting the PS3 version.
Only $30 for me cause I'm getting the PS3 version.
ZeroMaverick
Member
I hope it has a platinum
Fixed.
Ninja Scooter
Member
When someone says they "played through the main game" that almost always means they beat it. Some of you are in denial trying to play with the wording to make it look less like a glorified demo, which is what it probably is. I'm not surprised as that's pretty much what I expected it to be. If you still find value in paying $40 for short prologue then more power to you. You don't have to defend your purchasing decisions to anyone.
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Konami are basically saying "Buy this or else we're withholding the rest of the game"
BS.
Saint Gregory
Member
The good news is that when the minimum wage in the US goes up to $10.10 per hour then even the lowest paid gamer will still net 40 cents profit.
Yep, they'll follow their schedule. It's MGS, it'll come out no matter how the demo sells.
rocketskates
Member
Lol so much crying going on in this thread and at info that hasn't been fully cleared up yet either.
And so much hostility at Konami, its mind blowing how bitter some people are. Its not a demo, it's its own game, it's a prologue to PP.
I for one will be getting this day one for the PS3, retail copy and then double dipping for a retail PS4 copy (whether its just GZ by itself or if it will come packaged with PP doesn't matter) whenever I actually get the system.
And so much hostility at Konami, its mind blowing how bitter some people are. Its not a demo, it's its own game, it's a prologue to PP.
I for one will be getting this day one for the PS3, retail copy and then double dipping for a retail PS4 copy (whether its just GZ by itself or if it will come packaged with PP doesn't matter) whenever I actually get the system.
Yup. I've never heard someone say "I played through _____" and mean they simply played it and haven't beaten it. If that was the case people usually say "I played _____".
I think it'll come out when it comes out either way. It's Konami's coffers not KojiPro's.
AHA-Lambda
Member
because one is being sold as a prologue of another upcoming game?
Well that message won't get through to other publishers, will it?
They'll see +$40 and that will be that.
Something to think about. If I didn't think this would influence the industry as a whole I'd have no problem with people deciding if they think it's worth it or not
I understand the worry some have, but I don't see other companies having much success with this business model...
And sadly I don't think Ground Zeroes will find amazing success due to it either :/
The Praiseworthy
Member
I was expecting something like 6 hours.... 4 is a little short for a 40$.
Still, Day 1.
Still, Day 1.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Ya, sorry, not paying $30-40 for a 4 hour campaign lol.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Couldn't they have just put this with the rest of the game? I fail to see the need to split the two.
Daffy Duck
Member
Slowly but surely all franchises from my gaming youth are being killed.
That is pretty much what it sounds like. I remember someone made a photoshop image of the original quote as if it was a ransom letter (lol). That is exactly how I saw it as well. Konami are pretty much holding Phantom Pain hostage.
Yes, they could have and they probably will bundle it with Phantom Pain.
I thought that was a misinterpretation, what Kojima was basically saying is that The Phantom Pain is going to take a long ass time, and by the time it's out there will be a lot more PS4 owners, not necessarily that PS4 sales of ground zeroes will determine phantom pain release schedule
It'll definitely be bundled.
Kojima knows what he's doing.
It will be hard to resist this...
Edit:
Ha oops, I thought it was real.
It will be hard to resist this...
Edit:
Ha oops, I thought it was real.
They learned it from Hollywood. Why make one tight, cohesive movie when you can just arbitrarily split things into halves or even threes, and charge for each part? They work under the pretenses of giving the audiences "more," when that more is often stretching the story out and adding totally unnecessary moments that detract from the final whole.
Just look at The Hobbit. Peter Jackson stuffed it with superfluous shit to make it run over three movies, and the stuff he added in makes each movie a slog. I only sat in Hobbit 2 for 2 hours and 40 minutes, but it felt like 9 hours.
Kojima knows what he's doing.
Fake.
Freaky Fred
Banned
I don't see your point.
Everyone in this thread seems to be focused solely on the fact that this game is potentially 4 hours long, so I compared it to a 5hr game+1hr demo that was sold for 10 dollars more in 2001 that people are fine with. This is about the playtime, not the fact that it's a prologue.
And I'd rather pay $40 now for a taste of MGSV than have to wait another year at least for it to be released.
No, it wasn't Kojima, this was supposedly what Konami said.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=710797
redblack85
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