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Trump endorses guns for teachers "to stop shootings"
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Link? Have only seen reports of one officer there during the shooting.
Joe T.
Member
Report later should be more concrete but 1 or 4 doesn't really matter now. Either way I wouldn't expect better results from a teacher, in fact I would expect worse... According to cheeto shit stain he's a coward and didnt love the kids lmao. Teachers are like Care Bears you see, their love will help them stop these active shooters.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Doesn't seem to indicate much of a time line like we know for Peterson but it doesn't exactly look good. Do we know if the Coral springs police entered while the shooter was still active? The actual shooting did only last about 6-7 minutes all up.
Joe T.
Member
Nope, haven't seen anyone mention details about how they handled the whole situation once arriving on the scene.
They did, Wikipedia has a long list of them going back even to the days before the US declared its independence, but they've been happening with more frequency in the last few decades. One could probably make the argument that it's simply a matter of there being a much larger population, as good an incentive as any to find solutions for addressing the underlying issues that drive these people to kill. I do agree that it's not a gun issue, though - if it's not guns it'll be something else.
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
There seems to be a lot of graphs that could be used to point to mass killings.
Internet, games, medications etc. No smoking guns so to speak.
Internet, games, medications etc. No smoking guns so to speak.
It worries me that I can't tell if this is a serious post or not.
Vicetrailia
Member
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Thats messed up but we know thats business as usual for the NRA. Thats how they exert influence.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Can someone explain what Second Amendment is to a non-american?
Rudelord
Member
Asking for clarification on your stance before telling your membership if they're pro 2nd is not a terrorist act, what the fuck. That's literally what the NRA exists to do - to inform their base who is or isn't pro 2nd.
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camelCase
Member
We have a clause from the constitution of our nation which states that in order to protect from gov't tyranny we have the right to own and maintain guns.
camelCase
Member
Yes, a need that is exacerbated by the fact that guns legislation is a trophy item for any politician on the make. 10 years ago this was video games but thankfully that's mostly gone away.
Kotzen Ducha
Banned
Seems insane to me given that more guns in a place means more room for accidental shootings.
I know two guys (one police officer one relative) who shot themselves while maintaining or transporting their gun.
I'd love to see the stats about accidental shootings vs. mass shootings and which you're more likely to be involved in.
That alone should tell us if we need guns in schools or not.
I just turned down a job because guns would be present. I'm simply not comfortable and don't trust people to handle them the way they need to be handled. I have too much going on in my life.
I know two guys (one police officer one relative) who shot themselves while maintaining or transporting their gun.
I'd love to see the stats about accidental shootings vs. mass shootings and which you're more likely to be involved in.
That alone should tell us if we need guns in schools or not.
I just turned down a job because guns would be present. I'm simply not comfortable and don't trust people to handle them the way they need to be handled. I have too much going on in my life.
DiddyKongRacing69
Member
Lol, Trump is an idiot plain and simple. Has he ever seen a school. There are quite a few teachers who shouldn't be near guns.
It's a lobbying organization. What do you think other lobbying organizations do?
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Isn't that basically what I said? Business as usual? Just because it's the norm doesn't mean I have to like it.
Gun laws in Chicago is very strict only one gun at a time was allowed to be kept in a usable state. You must have an Illinois Permit to Carry a firearm in Illinois and yet in 2016, 771 people were killed in Chicago, its highest homicide tally since 1996 and the largest number of murder victims by volume of any U.S. city. Per capita, this wasn’t the highest rate in the nation—it ranked ninth among cities with a population of 250,000 or greater.
I_D
Member
I would say using "America's most segregated city" in which "an overwhelming majority of the city's 3451 shootings [during 2016] were gang-related" doesn't help your case. As I said, gang members would still have guns for a while, but it would still be a viable long-term solution.
And even if your example wasn't proving my point, citing one city as an example of an entire country is never a good idea.
Nobody is saying that guns will suddenly vanish over night. Obviously the process of removing weapons from the world is going to be a long and very drawn-out process. It's still better than doing nothing, though.
Vicetrailia
Member
Guns come from right outside the city and Indiana, you know this already.
With this logic you should have armed cashiers at every store, armed bus drivers, armed bank tellers and whatever else. There WAS an armed guard at the school. Didn't do shit. So I guess we should just arm as many people as possible thinking that maybe one of them will do shit? Because I'm definitely expecting all of these people to have adequate training in all of these professions that don't require any constant testing or maintaining of that skill set.
Sounds good if your priority is save guns at all costs. Absolutely absurd if you look at any other country in the world.
Sounds good if your priority is save guns at all costs. Absolutely absurd if you look at any other country in the world.
Journeywalker
Member
If a state decides to arm teachers, they have to live with the likelihood that someone will be shot accidentally, that a gun will fall into the hands of an impulsive teenager, or that a conflict between a teacher and student will escalate and become more violent than necessary. I wish people didn't have to learn the hard way, but if a state wants to ignore the accidental and "undetermined" gun death statistics, that's on them. Of course, the NRA line will become, "Well, we just need more training for the teachers." They have no shame.
Tumle
Member
I’m sorry.. but I really can’t wrap my head around this mentality.. I’m not trying to be offensive.. but the way you say that you have a guy at church who is ready to spring into action if the church was attacked.. doesn’t put the picture in my head of a free Society.. sounds more to me like you live in the outskirts of Baghdad or something.. is it really that bad over there?
Should our governments give out warnings before we travel to the US?
The amount of paranoia..
Vicetrailia
Member
Because guns are so accessible you can die anywhere to anyone's whim. But, statistically that won't happen, which is why you are a bigger danger to yourself as a gun owner, than you are to a criminal or whatever. Accidents happen a lot, a whole lot, but still on an individual level, many people won't have accidents.
So no travel warning is necessary, but shit happens.
Hell, I know a gun enthusiast whose own kid died because he didn't put his gun away safely...he grieves about it all of the time and he's still for arming teachers. The U.S. is that kinda place.
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Damageinc103
Member
I don’t see the problem if the Teacher gets training and wants too do it... but that has to be backed up with metal detectors and armed police and nobody should know what teacher has the gun and /or it should be on a fingerprint safe.
I don’t really understand the” I would rather have a shooter countinue killing until the police arrive instead of maybe a person with conceal and carry helping out”
You are not getting 250 million guns out of America...., we need to come up with salutions that adhere to that fact.
I don’t really understand the” I would rather have a shooter countinue killing until the police arrive instead of maybe a person with conceal and carry helping out”
You are not getting 250 million guns out of America...., we need to come up with salutions that adhere to that fact.
Vicetrailia
Member
Because there are guns in America, does not mean that you can't keep them out of the hands of existing or would be criminals. We don't try hard enough, and thus our results suck.
Just having defense at school or on buses isn't good enough, we should prevent action from kicking off wherever.
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VAL0R
Banned
We aren't so afraid of guns as you are. A law abiding citizen with a concealed permitted sidearm is a very safe and effective way of protecting people. We see it as tool to be used, if the need should arise, to stop not only violent gun crimes, but all manner of threats and violent crime. For example, it's the great equalizer for females when confronted by violent male criminals. If an unarmed woman fears for her life and is being stalked by an aggressive male, she has few options. If she unholsters a sidearm and threatens to open him up with a few hollow points unless he relents, that's effective (whether he complies and lives or doesn't and dies). Countless crimes have been prevented by armed citizens. It's not just about preventing (rare) mass shootings. Have you seen the statistics on violent assault, rape and murder in this country? They aren't so hot. These are wildly underreported by the fake news media in the US (and I suspect Europe) because they don't fit the lib agenda that "guns=bad".
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sushisamurai30
Member
Well, looks like there's a shooter at Central Michigan University. Two people have already been shot and killed and the shooter is still at large
http://www.wnem.com/story/37631923/breaking-reports-of-shots-fired-at-cmu-campus-hall
http://www.wnem.com/story/37631923/breaking-reports-of-shots-fired-at-cmu-campus-hall
rokkerkory
Member
lil puff
Member
Yeah, it looks like this guy still has not been caught? It's been a few hours now.Stay safe everyone
I heard he was wearing some sort of bright color jeans.
Mohonky
Member
Appears to be a domestic issue if other comments i have read are true; meaning its not a random kill everyone indiscriminately.
But still, glad i live in a country where such events are so scarce. I mean we do still have them in Australia but ever so rarely.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Has he been caught yet?
rokkerkory
Member
Now there’s a shooting right in front of white house sighhhh
An interest group attempting to gather information to inform their members about how a politician stands on a certain issue is now a terrorist act? Give me a break.
This overreaction to the NRA and 2nd amendment advocates overall is going to backfire. For the past few weeks all we've heard is that NRA members (and 2nd amendment advocates overall) are racists, white supremacists, accepting of child murder, and somehow share the blame for the Parkland murders. Besides throwing a ton of red meat at the left wing base, this is getting many Americans who usually aren't very vocal on this issue fired up. This is a losing battle for the left, but hey keep it up I guess.
I'm sorry I still don't understand the mentality.
Our violent assault, rape and murder statistics not so hot? So what has arming the citizens actually done? What if those statistics aren't so hot because of guns?
And I'll admit, I AM afraid of guns.
StrikeNinja24
Banned
And here we go with the cowboy mentality of someone with a gun will solve everything, even if it's been proven time and time again that it only makes the situation worse. That woman is more likely to be disarmed than to use the gun as a deterrent, because the element of surprise is used to great effect in these situations. People are naturally going to try and weigh their options in any given situation, with one side already making up their minds. Most women don't like the idea of having to murder anyone who they find unsafe, because that'll get bloody pretty damn quickly. And shoot the wrong person? Self defense only goes so far. Chances are they will ruin their lives forever. Your mindset is naive and lacks any sort of cause and effect. I'm sure the answer you will come back with is that some people are bad and what will you do about a person who wants to do something bad. Your suggestion is murder.
Admit it, this comes from a personal stance for you. People who believe this kind of mentality fantasise about being a hero of the people, someone who will come running in and save the day against the bad guys.
Vicetrailia
Member
Nah. The NRA looks mighty corrupt these days, and lost popularity with their cold response to parkland and their authoritarian response to protests from survivors. This is also part of a larger issue with too many lobbyists and corporations controlling things.
GAFDooMsDaY
Banned
Just lol
Reason #1245764 why this is a fucking stupid idea:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a99ae32e4b089ec353a1fba?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004
Let’s give her a gun
See above. I can’t even count how many stories we’ve read about some teachers sexually assaulting their students and now we want to arm them. Yeah...I’d rather not take chances.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a99ae32e4b089ec353a1fba?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004
Let’s give her a gun
See above. I can’t even count how many stories we’ve read about some teachers sexually assaulting their students and now we want to arm them. Yeah...I’d rather not take chances.
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Vicetrailia
Member
Wow, a teacher has a white nationalist podcast, interjects her leanings into the classroom, and makes tweets encouraging supremacists to infiltrate academia. They better fire her ass. Give her a gun, and how long before a POC gets shot by her.
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Journeywalker
Member
I certainly wouldn't want her to be my nephew's teacher, but I think HuffPo is going to get into trouble for doxing her.
Vicetrailia
Member
It's not gonna matter, this one is quite special.
CyberMoose
Neo Member
But what could possibly go wrong?!
Let me unbox everything about this: This isn't good.
This isn't the work of someone playing fifth dimensional chess, this is the work of someone who is catering to the whims of a lobbyist group. There are no 'deeper concepts or longer laid out plans' with anything about this idea. Given a workforce that is predominantly underpaid, overworked, stressed out, and facing budget cuts every year and having to decide between keeping the arts or the school's football program as a result and allowing the teachers to bring guns with them? It'll make school shootings worst. Just last week, a teacher in Georgia barricaded himself in a classroom with a gun. Imagine if that teacher fired it at someone. It'll potentially go from being a school shooting to a workplace shooting, especially if a teacher has a breakdown and shoots his/her boss, the principal or their co-workers.
Anyone, even highly trained military and police officers, will miss their target. In a crowded area as well. And why would a teacher be willing to bring a gun to school even for this purpose? When the FBI or SWAT team arrives on a scene of a shooting, they will try to take out anyone brandishing a weapon. So an armed teacher will be their first target.
Now imagine Trump gets his way and we do have an armed teacher. That person guns down someone else with a gun who intends to cause harm to others.
Imagine this is in front of impressionable young men and women in a crowded hallway. Even if they aren't hurt, they would have to see this. Even if they didn't grow up around guns or did, the psychological trauma this would cause isn't good. They'll be in therapy the rest of their lives if they can afford it. Some may tell their parents, who'll pull them from public school. The rest who aren't rich have to go to public school where this is a fear in the back of their mind every day now. How can any of this be a good idea?
But I forgot, I'm not conscious enough of reality.
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Alter_Fridge
Member
Because the best way to stop guns is more guns. Always
It's never eradicate all guns. Ever
It's never eradicate all guns. Ever
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