No. Morgan forced her out of her usual location to be able to patch up the wolf's wounds. Morgan forced her into danger, and forced her away from Carl. That's not speculation. He caused all of this because of his shitty ideology that's been painfully wrong from the beginning and caused more harm than good.
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No. Morgan forced her out of her usual location to be able to patch up the wolf's wounds. Morgan forced her into danger, and forced her away from Carl. That's not speculation. He caused all of this because of his shitty ideology that's been painfully wrong from the beginning and caused more harm than good.
TheBryanJZX90
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Thank you. Been having a shitty morning, and seeing someone actually, unironically say "in a real apocalypse" made me bust out laughing and smile. You do you, TWD fans.
Super Nothing
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The Wolves found Aaron's backpack after Morgan let them go when they attacked him in the forest. They admitted that they killed pretty much everyone that they came across and attempted to kill Morgan, but he let them go.
Or.. in a real situation where someone is walking around with a stick trying to save everyone in a war torn area with armed individuals who would kill on sight for supplies? I'm glad you enjoyed the semantics of my post though. Nice edge.
Which means that if not for Morgan letting them go, they would have never had an interest in finding Alexandria, right?
The Artisan
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lol
btw Morgan, no, all life is not precious. Life that takes away other life is not precious. He still doesn't get it, so fuck him too.
Super Nothing
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I think they would've wanted to find something like Alexandria no matter what and it looks like they were close enough that they would've found it eventually. But if he had taken care of the problem right then and there, they wouldn't have been around long enough to find it.
True, they still could have found it eventually (the remaining wolves), but this led them directly to it.
It would be more beneficial to account for all of the damage Morgan has done rather than good. Speaking of which.. what has Morgan done again that's been good? Indirectly "saved" Denise after forcing her into a dangerous situation with the wolf leader?
Pretty sure THEY don't even know, at this point.
The Artisan
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I really don't like carol...her leaving driving the plot towards everyone going looking for her and getting into trouble, ugh.
My biggest issue is that she has absolutely no plan. What's the purpose of her leaving on the main road and arming herself (forcing a situation where she'll have to kill again)? That makes no sense.
eyeball_kid
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I miss the days when they were trying to get to DC. They had a mission, it was mostly still about the walkers, and we got to see new locations. The world of the characters has grown very small since Alexandria, and theme has changed from "how do you retain who you are when the world is gone" to "how do you justify mass murder and still call yourself a good person". It's Lord of the Flies now. Very soulless.
edit: Remember the three questions they'd ask people? Prison Rick wouldn't even let current Rick into the group.
PR: "How many people have you killed?"
CR: "Uh...I don't know. A lot. More than 40 recently."
PR: "Why?"
CR: "We got hired to be assassins for some food."
On another note, I don't even know what Rick is doing as a character anymore. He doesn't seem to be leading the group anymore... no one asks him anything, they just run off when they feel like it and he doesn't seem that concerned about keeping Alexandria's shit together. He should be happy, he's got Michonne now, Alexandra is his oyster, and yet he seems unhinged and unfocused. The writing this season is some of the worst of the whole series because the characters don't make sense.
edit: Remember the three questions they'd ask people? Prison Rick wouldn't even let current Rick into the group.
PR: "How many people have you killed?"
CR: "Uh...I don't know. A lot. More than 40 recently."
PR: "Why?"
CR: "We got hired to be assassins for some food."
On another note, I don't even know what Rick is doing as a character anymore. He doesn't seem to be leading the group anymore... no one asks him anything, they just run off when they feel like it and he doesn't seem that concerned about keeping Alexandria's shit together. He should be happy, he's got Michonne now, Alexandra is his oyster, and yet he seems unhinged and unfocused. The writing this season is some of the worst of the whole series because the characters don't make sense.
The Artisan
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she's having one of those moral conflict, mid-life crisis shits. the type of shit you need therapy for but such a service no longer exists in their world.
Super Nothing
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He seems to think that he redeemed that one Wolf because he didn't kill Denise after he took her hostage and he's taking credit for Denise saving Carl even though neither Carl nor Denise would've been in any danger if not for his fuck ups.
The Artisan
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He saved Daryl & Aaron from the wolf zombie herd.
The bolded is why this season has easily been the worst. This is a show driven by characters and their interactions, and we've seen what happens when that is not handled with care. Rick, for example, as you've stated, just feels like he's going through the motions and has had almost NO development. I don't even care about him that much because he doesn't even feel like a person. Then they throw Rick and Michonne together.. and forget about it. Suddenly we have a scene where they're together just to remind us about it? The only relationship that feels even REMOTELY real is Glenn and Maggie's. This season is just so messy and totally unfocused, and as a result, the development of the characters has suffered greatly.
Thank you. I'll give him that one, thank God he at least accomplished something with his philosophy.
Lord_Byron28
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A bit of both. Carol will kill them to survive. She doesn't want to but she will. She does amp the drama up to let the enemies guard down. She had to let their guard down if she even stood a chance at taking them all out at once. There was no way she could've taken them all down at once. She was begging them for her not to kill them but once she had her opportunity she killed them. I thought that scene where she took out the truck convoy to be the most savage thing she's done in a while.
The Artisan
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he's caused more danger though.
Does anyone know what kind of weapon she had hidden up her sleeve? Seemed like a damn 50 cal machine gun.
Super Nothing
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She burned a whole group of dudes alive like 2 episodes ago. The spray and pray take down of 5 guys at once is impressive, but tossing a lit cigarette onto gasoline and locking the door on those guys was fucking savage.
Samurai G0SU
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I wonder what those group of men, who were in that truck, were going to do when they were supposably to go to Alexandria.
F0rneus
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Negan makes the Governor, the Wolves, the cannibals...look like kindergarteners. This is straight up the most efficient, ruthless and crazy cool villain Rick and the team have ever seen. The Governor was a lame wannabe. Negan is the real deal.
The Artisan
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Rick & co have killed WAAAAAY more saviors on the show than in the comics. For hardcore fans and for fans like me who haven't read the comic, to give us the full sensible extent on how evil he is, he needs to kill more than just one person. He killed only Glenn in the comics, but here I think it should be Morgan and...Daryl. Because I think I heard recently Norman Reedus saying he wants out.
i think they still underestimate alexandria. i mean they werent even that heavily armed.... they had spears lol
Man Called Aerodynamics
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My man.
Samurai G0SU
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Right. So with that, maybe they were going to keep an eye on what Alexandria's movements were. Like recon missions and a spear dude to kill any walkers.
Spears could be an effective way to take out a guard quietly.They had guns as well.
TheLostBigBoss
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probably a machine piston, those things are small, although the magazine would be rather large and be near impossible to hid while in the sleeve for the amount of ammo she fired.
I had an issue with how powerful the weapon was and how easily she was able to conceal it while utilizing its power with crazy accuracy.
More_Badass
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Thought it was pretty smart how she had sewn the gun into her sleeve
When the writers from the sky above run out of plot holes and stop stretching shit out. 😀
I feel like Rick would be a great therapist.
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Negan is certainly more competent and powerful than the governor but more ruthless? The governor was a straight psychopath. Let's see in the comic he rapes and tortures Michonne repeatedly, cuts off Ricks hand within minutes of meeting him, attacks them with a fucking tank, shoots a pregnant woman in the stomach and decapitates Ricks number 2. Negan is an asshole and a tryrant but he's not a complete monster. He doesn't kill rick even though he probably should have, hell Carl tries to assasinate him and Negan just returns him to Alexandria. I'd say even the neutered tv governor was worse than Negan. And if anything the show seems to be bluring the lines as far as who the good/bad guys are (which the comic did not do) so tv negan may be more tame than his comic counterpart.
I completely agree with this. They really need to completely change things up next season and move to a large urban environment or a port, just something different. I stopped reading the comics at the farm so I don't know if they do or not.
As for this episode I agree with most posters that it was turgid shite. The characters really don't act like real people sometimes. More like sentient planks of wood. I am glad Carol is out of the psychopath phase though. I was in the minority that fucking hated her character like that.
More_Badass
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That's probably the best thing about Fear. Different setting and aesthetic, and Season 2 looks like it'll focus on survival on the ocean
I'm in complete agreement there. I really enjoyed fear and can't wait for the new season.
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Negan is also raping several women in the comics, no? He's force them to be with him and if they try to get back with their husband/boyfriend/whatever, will straight up burn half of his face off.
Looking forward to the change in cinematography and setting. Very fresh. TWD oven has zero variation in both. How many times are we going to see the same forest and roads? I get the comic is like this too but I never felt like it was an issue. Maybe it's the difference in the medium.
Thanks. But could she really fit that in her sleeve? Seems too big.
TimFL
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So how good are the chances that they kill one of the main guys in next weeks episode? Or do you think that they'll do another goddamn cliffhanger ending without showing anything worthwhile?
Because if they don't kill one of the main cast next week I'm seriously out. The show has gone down the shitter lately where even the lame supporting cast has plot armor. Possible most recent/Ep15 spoiler:
This show is supposed to be about survival yet every encounter is lame cause you just know that plot armor knight Daryl kills the 5 saviors with a plastic spoon cause the guy choking him is distracted by the smell of Daryl's nasty as heck hair. Get that dirt blob cleaned/cut while you're in Alexandria the next time.
Bring it on, I watch Game of Thrones I don't care if they kill the whole main cast. At least it'd put the stakes a bit higher again.
Who am I kidding, Negan will be a pathetic villain cause the suits @ amc run this show.
Because if they don't kill one of the main cast next week I'm seriously out. The show has gone down the shitter lately where even the lame supporting cast has plot armor. Possible most recent/Ep15 spoiler:
I want Daryl dead or at the very least Glenn. Better yet kill all of the bunch they captured with 1 smooth swing of Lucille. Get it over with already.
Bring it on, I watch Game of Thrones I don't care if they kill the whole main cast. At least it'd put the stakes a bit higher again.
Who am I kidding, Negan will be a pathetic villain cause the suits @ amc run this show.
Yeah this season has been really really great, but this ridiculous change in tone in Carol's character is frustrating to watch.
And I say ridiculous because she has been incredibly selfish while maintaining ignorance that leaving and putting everyone in danger is a selfless act.
And I say ridiculous because she has been incredibly selfish while maintaining ignorance that leaving and putting everyone in danger is a selfless act.
She's smart enough to know that leaving puts everyone in danger. She's smart enough to know that she'll eventually have to kill to survive again (and not more than an hour after her departure, she does exactly this and even comes prepared to do so). She's smart enough to have a REAL PLAN before leaving and not just going on some suicide mission down the main road to literally nowhere.
So why do these things happen?
Kinda, he has multiple "wifes" that he has intmidated into being with him (at least some of them) but he is against forcable rape and will kill his own men for doing it. I know that would be a meaningless distinction in the real world but in this setting and especially when comparing him to the governor I think it's a valid one. But even without that stuff Negan never planed on wiping out all of Alexandia and was actually pissed when he had to (try) after Rick and co declared war on him. He only wanted to exploit them for his gain. The governor wanted to murder them all the moment he found out about the prison.
I don't think she thinks she's being selfless. She's running because she's breaking down mentally because of all the slaughtering she's been doing even though she's really good at it. I don't get the Carol complaints honestly.
rainking187
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So where is Jesus right now? Did he go back to Hilltop or is he still in Alexandria?
I want them to
kill off a bunch. Just off Daryl/Glenn, Morgan, Carol and someone else with Lucille. Just do it.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Writing some more instructions on how to get to Alexandria :S
Super Nothing
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But running isn't stopping her from having to slaughter anyone. In fact, she had to slaughter Negan's goons almost immediately after leaving Alexandria. She seems to know that she would need to kill once she left because she sewed the gun into her sleeve the night before. Her leaving didn't solve anything, it only made things worse for her and everyone else at Alexandria.
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