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Croyles said:
So either 30% of Germans are hunters or every hunter has like 50 guns?
No, I agree that figure does in no way reflect the reality in which I live in: have never seen a gun in private posession and never heard people talk about x&y owning a gun.

Are they counting the fake guns for Karneval?
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The comparison of Islamist terror to other causes of death, natural or man-made, is ridiculous, and here is why:

Guevara said:
Well, thank god all he was able to get his hands on was an ax.
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Imagine what such a lunatic would have done with a bomb. The only reason he did not kill tens, or hundreds, or thousands of people was the limitation of his "tool". This is what is actually concerning about this phenomenon. Imagine what such people would do if somebody would supply them with much more potent weapons. This is probably the only phenomenon of mass murdering that is actually willing to escalate the number of victims into the thousands or ten thousands if they could. At some point, somebody will be able to give such a lunatic a dirty bomb or poison gas.

This is why people are scared. This is not statistically predictable background noise in the number of deaths. This is a phenomenon that wants to escalate violence as much as possible. The only thing holding them back are practical limitations.
 
Tempy said:
If it's not newsworthy, why are you still in this thread?
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I never said that I'm above all of this. These types of stories get my attention too. It's basic human emotion.

Madness said:
Save your thread worthiness for the mods to decide and stop shitting up the thread. A going on an axe rampage injuring upto 20 people isn't newsworthy to you? Where the hell do you live? Especially that it is coming just days aftet the Nice, France terror attack.
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Sorry... I guess... Didn't meant to "shit up the thread". I was just sharing my reaction, like everyone else in this thread. Sorry that it wasn't exactly the same as yours.
 
ElTorro said:
I don't see this as a refugee problem. Most people this year have not been slaughtered by refugees, they have been slaughtered by brainwashed Islamist fanatics, of which we seem to have a concerning number in Europe and around the world. This is primarily an ideological problem, and it needs to be addressed as one.
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You're right, but how does one go about addressing the ideologies involved in a way that would result in less of these attacks?

I think humanity is going to show it's ugly side again before that happens. I think enough people are going to see Muslim communities as a threat to their safety and will eventually vote some monsters into office willing to take a hard line approach in the form of mass deportations or some other horrific outcome. It's terrifying to think about how this next decade or two are going to play out.
 
Why the fuck is a 17 year old running around doing this shit anyway?

I probably lie closer to where Torro does on the issue and can understand the need to confront the actual problems from the outset instead of sweeping them under the rug.

I just do not, at all, understand what drives a 17 year old kid in a new place, that is likely miles better than the dump he had to flee from, to axe murder people.
 
trembli0s said:
Why the fuck is a 17 year old running around doing this shit anyway?

I probably lie closer to where Torro does on the issue and can understand the need to confront the actual problems from the outset instead of sweeping them under the rug.

I just do not, at all, understand what drives a 17 year old kid in a new place, that is likely miles better than the dump he had to flee from, to axe murder people.
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My guess is he blames his new host country for the problems back home, and using religion he justified his racist violent actions against the people living in it.
 
YianGaruga said:
Yeah guns are so rare in Germany I would be kind of shocked if I saw one. I don't think I have ever seen one that wasn't attached to a police officer. The 30 / 100 number seems strange
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Are replica airsoft/pellet/BB guns counted under 'gun statistics' or not in Germany? I think a psychological assessment needs to be done first before we say why he did this. Could be that he has mental health issues and isn't an actual jihadist.
 
Sinfamy said:
My guess is he blames his new host country for the problems back home, and using religion he justified his racist violent actions then people living in it.
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I doubt that this is a good candidate for a sufficient primary root cause of the overall phenomenon. Because in that case we would expect to have seen similar phenomena from other people who had cause to blame the West for problems in their home countries. However, there have been no reports of Jewish suicide bombers attacking German cities after the holocaust, or of Vietnamese axe wielders in the US after the Vietnam war, or of people from South America waging a holy war against the US for their interventions in South American politics, and so on.

Maybe, in this specific case, somebody infused this individual with a narrative that blamed Germany for everything wrong with his life, but it cannot explain the overall phenomenon sufficiently.
 
trembli0s said:
Why the fuck is a 17 year old running around doing this shit anyway?

I probably lie closer to where Torro does on the issue and can understand the need to confront the actual problems from the outset instead of sweeping them under the rug.

I just do not, at all, understand what drives a 17 year old kid in a new place, that is likely miles better than the dump he had to flee from, to axe murder people.
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Exactly this makes this news so hard to stomach.
Come and shit on me: but you have to be a very religious person if you believe in such thing as eternal gratitude. No, that's not how us humans work: once your primary needs are met, there's a bunch of secondary -mainly psychological-needs that have to met.
 
ElTorro said:
I doubt that this is a good candidate for a sufficient primary root cause of the overall phenomenon. Because in that case we would expect to have seen similar phenomena from other people who had cause to blame the West for problems in their home countries. However, there have been no reports of Jewish suicide bombers attacking German cities after the holocaust, or of Vietnamese axe wielders in the US after the Vietnam war, or of people from South America waging a holy war against the US for their interventions in South American politics, and so on.

Maybe, in this specific case, somebody infused this individual with a narrative that blamed Germany for everything wrong with his life, but it cannot explain the overall phenomenon sufficiently.
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That's a straw-man argument considering what we know about Islamic extremist jihadist in comparison to other groups who might seek out vengeance.
In the US though, there was that fear, hence the Japanese Internment Camps.
I made that prediction based on what ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups have said about the West, who they view as oppressors and worthy of being killed.
 
Why would you come all this way, only to throw your life away. While you had a much better hope for the future then the country you came from. Dude was here for a few weeks. Unbelievable.
 
chromatic9 said:
Had no idea Germany and France have 30+ guns per 100 people. Thought it would be in the single digits like UK and Holland.
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My guess about what pushes those numbers up in Germany:
- EVERY police officer is armed, no exceptions, no matter what he is doing. Then throw in all the additional guns that the police got (like the mandatory MP5 in every patrol car)
- People that are hunters/have a hunting pass regularly have multiple guns. A hunter will have at least one rifle and a sidearm, usually more. Hunting is popular and has a long tradition in the countryside (where most Germans live)
- Collectors and sport shooters push the numbers up as well. Extremely strict regulations and tough psychological checks prevent misuse in the case of hunters/collectors/sport shooters
- some limited professions (security working in money transportation, bodyguards) have access to revolvers/handguns
- It's rather easy to get very small calibers for shooting sports such as 7mm guns. At least easy to get "by German standards"
- What is considered a gun in the statistics? If stuff like flare/gas guns count as weapons then that'll push up the number considerably, they are pretty easy to get in Germany


As said before, very strict gun laws prevent misuse and prevent them from getting in the hands of the mentally unstable. Getting them from the black market is REALLY hard as well (it's far easier in e.g. the UK). The worst sort of gun that gets used with any sort of regularity in the very few shooting incidents that happen are sport shooting caliber guns with ~7mm, with limit magazine size and low firepower.
 
ClosingADoor said:
Why would you come all this way, only to throw your life away. While you had a much better hope for the future then the country you came from. Dude was here for a few weeks. Unbelievable.
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Maybe he fell for the human trafficker propaganda: flat, sports car, 3 virgin blonde girls...
It's either some major dissapointment or he was totally fucked in his brain. If he is brave enough to go a rampage here in Germany, why didn't he do this to those people that made him leave his homeland?
 
Ragnar Blackmane said:
My guess about what pushes those numbers up in Germany:
- EVERY police officer is armed, no exceptions, no matter what he is doing. Then throw in all the additional guns that the police got (like the mandatory MP5 in every patrol car)
- People that are hunters/have a hunting pass regularly have multiple guns. A hunter will have at least one rifle and a sidearm, usually more. Hunting is popular and has a long tradition in the countryside (where most Germans live)
- Collectors and sport shooters push the numbers up as well. Extremely strict regulations and tough psychological checks prevent misuse in the case of hunters/collectors/sport shooters
- some limited professions (security working in money transportation, bodyguards) have access to revolvers/handguns
- It's rather easy to get very small calibers for shooting sports such as 7mm guns. At least easy to get "by German standards"
- What is considered a gun in the statistics? If stuff like flare/gas guns count as weapons then that'll push up the number considerably, they are pretty easy to get in Germany


As said before, very strict gun laws prevent misuse and prevent them from getting in the hands of the mentally unstable. Getting them from the black market is REALLY hard as well (it's far easier in e.g. the UK). The worst sort of gun that gets used with any sort of regularity in the very few shooting incidents that happen are sport shooting caliber guns with ~7mm, with limit magazine size and low firepower.
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Yeah those stats seems weird to me too, we had a rifle for shooting birds, it's like a BB gun, but other than that I've never seen a real gun owned by a private person. The worst gun accident I know of personally was, when someone shot one of those BB guns at someone and I think they had to go to the hospital. The so called "schützenvereine" which are basically social clubs with shooting ranges are the easiest way to get a real gun here - as far as I know of.
 
Ragnar Blackmane said:
My guess about what pushes those numbers up in Germany:
- EVERY police officer is armed, no exceptions, no matter what he is doing. Then throw in all the additional guns that the police got (like the mandatory MP5 in every patrol car)
- People that are hunters/have a hunting pass regularly have multiple guns. A hunter will have at least one rifle and a sidearm, usually more. Hunting is popular and has a long tradition in the countryside (where most Germans live)
- Collectors and sport shooters push the numbers up as well. Extremely strict regulations and tough psychological checks prevent misuse in the case of hunters/collectors/sport shooters
- some limited professions (security working in money transportation, bodyguards) have access to revolvers/handguns
- It's rather easy to get very small calibers for shooting sports such as 7mm guns. At least easy to get "by German standards"
- What is considered a gun in the statistics? If stuff like flare/gas guns count as weapons then that'll push up the number considerably, they are pretty easy to get in Germany


As said before, very strict gun laws prevent misuse and prevent them from getting in the hands of the mentally unstable. Getting them from the black market is REALLY hard as well (it's far easier in e.g. the UK). The worst sort of gun that gets used with any sort of regularity in the very few shooting incidents that happen are sport shooting caliber guns with ~7mm, with limit magazine size and low firepower.
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Isn't the German police force around 250k? even if we give the police 5 guns each we're nowhere near this 30 guns per 100 people.

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/publications/by-type/yearbook/small-arms-survey-2015.html
 
ElTorro said:
Sometimes I wish people would worry as much about this global wave of Islamist attacks, by both groups and individuals, as much as about the rise of the far-right. Maybe by worrying a bit more about it in a rational, objective, and non-inflamatory way, politicians could become electable to those who are voting for far-right demagogues simply because they are scared and see nobody else talking about the elephant in the room.

Add up the victims we had around the world this year and have a look at how this phenomenon manifests culturally and structurally around the world. This phenomenon can not be explained by alleged mental illnesses of a few lunatics.
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Agreed 100%
 
Kurtofan said:
in this climate? It's not exactly a stretch...
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Violence existed before Islamic extremists. This is no different than asking "Was the criminal black?" and trying to defend the question by talking about how blacks statistically commit more crimes of that nature.
 
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I've read some estimates from the UK which seem to tally with the small arms survey survey of UK being way down the list,
 
Two Words said:
Violence existed before Islamic extremists. This is no different than asking "Was the criminal black?" and trying to defend the question by talking about how blacks statistically commit more crimes of that nature.
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Mind numbing comparison. Race and ideology are completely different things.
 
Kristoffer said:
Obviously not because those are not firearms.
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Lots of countries regulate them like firearms (albeit unlicensed and free to purchase if you're over 18 in most places) though. Canada or indeed, Germany for instance. They just need to obey the power limits. Was not sure if they therefore were included or not.
 
ClosingADoor said:
Why would you come all this way, only to throw your life away. While you had a much better hope for the future then the country you came from. Dude was here for a few weeks. Unbelievable.
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Human traffickers like to paint a heavily romanticized image in their social media marketing campaigns with a lot of lofty / false promises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ZiEX0C2PE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKPV9cDZMNY

Unfortunately, some fall for those bollocks and are in shock or fall into depression once they look behind the facade.
Others simply return back to their old home if they find no way to build a future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFB77wwRTr4
 
LePie said:
Human traffickers like to paint a heavily romanticized image in their social media marketing campaigns with a lot of lofty / false promises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ZiEX0C2PE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKPV9cDZMNY

Unfortunately, some fall for those bollocks and are in shock or fall into depression once they look behind the facade.
Others simply return back to their old home if they find no way to build a future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFB77wwRTr4
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There have been reports of asylum seekers cancelling applications and opting to head back home because they end up hating it in Europe.
 
Guns are common in Europe, but yes, gun owners often tend to have multiple guns.

I have a gun safe and I literally can't put anymore guns in it unless I upgrade to something excessively large capacity.

I think it's because traditionally guns have been something reserved for the rurals and certain crowds in urban areas.

These days it's a lot more widespread, and sports like IPSC have gained a huge following.

IPSC rifle shooting from Sweden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTdiiznrcGg
IPSC rifle shooting from Denmark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vxhxqA81hw&t=01m01s
IPSC Pistol from Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bitwBxl0vKU
IPSC Rifle from France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgPXzigF1yw&t=0m47s

And that's not accounting for the literal millions of licensed hunters across Europe.

If you have a clean criminal record, no history of mental illness, are willing to put in the time and money, you can get any gun you want in Europe short of something fully automatic.
Royal_Phalanx said:
Lots of countries regulate them like firearms (albeit unlicensed and free to purchase if you're over 18 in most places) though. Canada or indeed, Germany for instance. They just need to obey the power limits. Was not sure if they therefore were included or not.
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BB guns are not a part of the gunpolicy.org figures, those are for actual firearms, not toys.

People can keep going with their blinders on, but there's almost 80 million guns in private ownership in Europe, regardless if you don't think so.
 
Resident_UA said:
But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...
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People don't axe murder in public transportation every day, no.
 
Resident_UA said:
But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...
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Yeah, that number is not unrealistic but 2 per day in a 80 million country would be like 8 per day in the USA.

but in reality its 5 times that much per million in the USA.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/United-States/Crime
 
Another kid from an immigrant (Afghan) background means this'll be another windfall for groups like the AfD to benefit from and drive the narrative.

Fuck!


Glad to hear people are in no critical danger.
 
SporeCrawler said:
So it loks like the victims will make it. The victims were 5 chinese tourists from hong kong (father, mother, daughter, son and boyfriend of daughter)

The injuries were not life threatening.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/a...malte-is-flagge-bei-taeter-gefunden-1.3084789


Also they found a IS Flag
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Hope that recover quickly.

What an idiot. Still pretty sad story for a teenager like that come alone as a refugee all the way from Afghanistan and to be radicalised as such young age.
 
moniker said:
I don't think that's right.

The police said "Über lebensbedrohliche Verletzungen sei nichts bekannt, sagte ein Polizeisprecher."

My German sucks but I think it says that they don't know. Maybe someone can give an accurate translation.
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The Police knows nothing about life threatening injuries
 
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