darkistheway
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Sorry, what is wrong with being 40 and wearing Old Navy hoodies?
Talk about a dogpile.
Talk about a dogpile.
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65% Gross Racist Dad Joke, 35% Spy Shit, 5% PaxtonTrue Lies: Cameron's Worst Film
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Rentahamster
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I agree with the last sentence. I'd watch a lot of things over Avatar, actually.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't know that it's a backfire. I knew a lot of people here really, really liked this movie. And I put it on thinking I'd get a fresh run at it what with Paxton's death and my not having seen it in awhile.
But while it was still entertaining - I seriously did not remember how full of fuckin' corn it was. And the pacing is really bad. It just became very apparent that James Cameron does have some weaknesses, and a light touch and comedic sensibilities are two of 'em.
So I thought I'd bring it up.
Some people are talking about the movie! Some people talking about my hoodie! It's okay. There's good stuff in here.
I guess at least it's not Aeropostale?
True Lies is an American action-comedy remake of a French film that was an action-comedy.
Comparing it to Austin Powers is giving it a compliment.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I was misremembering it at first, is what I was saying. Which threw me a little.
(Also, the first Austin Powers is still a pretty decent spoof)
The person who brought that up started posting on GAF today (other than a random driveclub post in January) by the looks of their posting history.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Ah, I thought you were complaining about it being a comedy.
Nah. I mean, I complain that the comedy isn't done very well outside of people like Paxton and Curtis selling the hell out of their characters, but those early paragraphs were more to show that I remembered it being way more spy movie than it actually was. I knew it was comedic, I just didn't remember that it was a full-on comedy.
I forget things more frequently now, being a
Superblatt
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I know, right? People don't like this movie enough to create a "this sucks" thread? Damn. Wow. I just rewatched part of it with my dad. It holds up surprisingly well. The Brad Fiedel soundtrack is amazing.
Rentahamster
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I'm surprised Scullibundo hasn't weighed in yet.
You're only allowed to wear hoodies ordered from websites that have low key classic video game references.
darkistheway
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Superblatt
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To counterbalance this, I am going to go right now create a thread titled "Last Action Hero Appreciation". Brb.
Bobby Roberts
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Did he appreciate all the jokes?
TheSkullPrince
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True Lies is Cameron's second best movie, after Terminator 2.
I love Edgar Wright, but True Lies is better than anything he's ever done (I know I'm going to get a lot of shit for saying that but oh well).
The fact that's is so cheesy and hammy and blah blah blah are what make it so good.
I love Edgar Wright, but True Lies is better than anything he's ever done (I know I'm going to get a lot of shit for saying that but oh well).
The fact that's is so cheesy and hammy and blah blah blah are what make it so good.
JeTmAn81
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Is that a social thing like Friendster? I haven't been keeping up with those
Superblatt
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Every single one.
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thepotatoman
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I happened to watch it last night for the first time.
The scene where the Harry and Gib jail Helen and with a deep voice modulator bully her relentlessly until she admits she did not have an affair and did love Harry and threatening her into prostitution is the worst. It's always terrible when something so uncomfortable gets portrayed as being possitive and romantic.
It would have been so simple to at least edit the script to make the one way glass interview less hostile, and make the prostitution mission her choice without the threats. It's one of those things that only works if you assume sexual abuse can't exist between a married couple that otherwise loves each other.
It's definitely a little racist too, but didn't stand out to me as any more racist than all the other action movies with middle eastern terrorists of the era.
Action was great though. The motorcycle and horse chase scene was particularly good, and l liked the cheese of things like easily taking over all the resources of their fake NSA for dumb personal use without consequence and Helen killing like 10 guys by dropping an uzi down the stairs. Some whiplash between the James Bond action scenes and the Arnold Schwarzenegger action scenes, but nothing that really bothered me. Probably even made it better.
The scene where the Harry and Gib jail Helen and with a deep voice modulator bully her relentlessly until she admits she did not have an affair and did love Harry and threatening her into prostitution is the worst. It's always terrible when something so uncomfortable gets portrayed as being possitive and romantic.
It would have been so simple to at least edit the script to make the one way glass interview less hostile, and make the prostitution mission her choice without the threats. It's one of those things that only works if you assume sexual abuse can't exist between a married couple that otherwise loves each other.
It's definitely a little racist too, but didn't stand out to me as any more racist than all the other action movies with middle eastern terrorists of the era.
Action was great though. The motorcycle and horse chase scene was particularly good, and l liked the cheese of things like easily taking over all the resources of their fake NSA for dumb personal use without consequence and Helen killing like 10 guys by dropping an uzi down the stairs. Some whiplash between the James Bond action scenes and the Arnold Schwarzenegger action scenes, but nothing that really bothered me. Probably even made it better.
Fancy Clown
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I take just as much issue with your first statement as I do the second lol. Putting True Lies above Aliens, Terminator, and Hot Fuzz all in one post in one big mess of bad.
Once you hit 40, you have to dress like a dad off of an 80s family sitcom. Sorry.
karasu
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hahahaa I love that shit. Probably the best side-eye of all time.
LyleLanley
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There is no age at which it is appropriate to wear Old Navy.
demosthenes
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Movie is awesome, I love it.
TheSkullPrince
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I know what I signed up for.
And yeah, True Lies is better than all those movies. Aliens and Hot Fuzz are uneven movies; the first half of Aliens was boring, Hot Fuzz went on for too long, or at least it felt like it did.
Inceptional
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He'll yea it is. The Rock ranks right up there with Die Hard imo. The Rock is also the closest Bay ever came to making a great James Cameron movie. Something Cameron hasn't done himself since True Lies, funny enough.
Gentleman Jack
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AuthenticM
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decidedly
Bobby Roberts
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I was not expecting such sartorial snobbery from the likes of you all. This hoodie shame is preposterous!
Was hoping for a little more than "Nuff saids" from people, tho.
Okay wait a sec what the fuck is wrong with a good cardigan goddammit?
Was hoping for a little more than "Nuff saids" from people, tho.
Okay wait a sec what the fuck is wrong with a good cardigan goddammit?
VeryGooster
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Cameron's worst movie is Terminator 2
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True Lies has been on tv a lot lately and I've sat through it a few times. It makes for a good background noise movie nowadays but I honestly do kinda cringe at everything about the Crimson Jihad. JLC, Paxton (RIP), and Tom Arnold are honestly why I even sit through it now.
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True Lies has been on tv a lot lately and I've sat through it a few times. It makes for a good background noise movie nowadays but I honestly do kinda cringe at everything about the Crimson Jihad. JLC, Paxton (RIP), and Tom Arnold are honestly why I even sit through it now.
JonRedcorn's GAF posting career lasted 1 day, so your hoodie has been avenged.
GraveRobberX
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Bobby has too much time on his hands deconstructing True Lies
For its time, fun movie
Still enjoyable to many people today, I'm Muslim/Pakistani, didn't find it offensive at all
It's shut off your brain for a few hours and go along for the ride
Some just want to be so fucking PC for the thought of being looked and portrayed as PC
For its time, fun movie
Still enjoyable to many people today, I'm Muslim/Pakistani, didn't find it offensive at all
It's shut off your brain for a few hours and go along for the ride
Some just want to be so fucking PC for the thought of being looked and portrayed as PC
Pick a more recent movie. Hard to argue or even add on to your points when I'm sure a lot of people haven't seen True Lies in many a year.
Bobby Roberts
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I mean, it's a Sunday afternoon. Obviously I have spare time on my hands. I'm at GAF. How much spare time you got that you're responding to the fruits of my spare time? I'm nowhere near the first to have deconstructed (if that's what you'd call the train-of-thought I put on a gaming forum on a Sunday afternoon) the film, either.
But this:
is kinda horseshit.
Why everyone wanna talk about my clothes and my ulterior SJW motives for sharing thoughts on an action comedy from 1994? I don't get it.
Then they should go rewatch it! Especially if they dig it that much! I think it's cool people in here are like "I'm gonna go rewatch it right now!" Yes! Do that shit. Lemme know what you thought after that rewatch.
Discotheque
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Bobby has mentioned being the same age as Star Wars, so I assume that the last grains of sand are running out on his 30s. Rounding up is not a sin
Damn straight. I'm still 39 for a week and change. Gonna hang onto that 3 as long as I can.
Fancyarcher
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I think this film is pretty fun. Arnold & Curtis have great chemistry, and Paxton is good in his role. Also, it's one of Tom Arnold's better part. Yeah, it's of its time, but it still works. My biggest issue is that it's a bit overlong, but the big set-piece at the end is worth it.
It also is one of Arnold's best roles as he actually tries to play an average joe and a super secret spy, and pulls it off quite well.
Yeah, but they work because Cage is delivering them.
It also is one of Arnold's best roles as he actually tries to play an average joe and a super secret spy, and pulls it off quite well.
Yeah, but they work because Cage is delivering them.
Kind of dumb that people are portraying this as some "Millennial PC" shit.
The film got flak back when it came out, this isn't some revisionist view:
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-07-14/entertainment/ca-15258_1_true-lies
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1994-07-22/news/9407220489_1_arabs-true-lies-hooper
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/16/movies/arab-americans-protest-true-lies.html
The film got flak back when it came out, this isn't some revisionist view:
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-07-14/entertainment/ca-15258_1_true-lies
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1994-07-22/news/9407220489_1_arabs-true-lies-hooper
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/16/movies/arab-americans-protest-true-lies.html
biggersmaller
Banned
Hated it even back then. It's not just that a gun falling down the stairs wastes bad guys, the protagonist straddles a fucking jet, or that the main bad dude is strapped to - then launched with a missile. No. It's that on top of all that it's a painfully boring 90s-era terrorist plot where the daughter is kidnapped and the bomb has to be defused before time runs out.
Skiptastic
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Okay, good to know. Temple of Doom is awesome and it seemed like you were on the verge of trashing it.
I actually think BTiLC is overrated and not that great, though, so most people probably don't care about my opinion.
I love this movie, but I always found the striptease scene super creepy. Overall though, I'd say it's a thoroughly entertaining action-comedy the likes of which we rarely see these days.
I can't help but feel the OP knew calling it "Cameron's worst movie" was going provoke some strong reactions that would get in the way of discussing the movie on its own merits though.
I can't help but feel the OP knew calling it "Cameron's worst movie" was going provoke some strong reactions that would get in the way of discussing the movie on its own merits though.
If I am going to rewatch old Arnold films, I would probably go with the Terminators or Predator. I'd probably pick Total Recall and Commando over True Lies as well. I prefer it when Arnold's goofiness is played straight. The Last Action Hero went even further into self-aware territory and it didn't work.
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