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Adam Boyes Confirms: Call of Duty: Ghosts is Native 1080p on PS4
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Derpcrawler
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Someone with full membership need to create a thread about this video, it's hilarious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnoiCP4MReU
It's another (new) video from Athene on whole Xbox is sub-1080p.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnoiCP4MReU
It's another (new) video from Athene on whole Xbox is sub-1080p.
SwiftDeath
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Update my post above a bit with mortimer's confirmation on XB1's resolution
Got locked super quick because ppl posted fake tweets
Got locked super quick because ppl posted fake tweets
It got closed because people were posting fake tweets, and it got out of control.
That video is hysterical, I think it already got discussed in the other CoD thread.
Brad Grenz
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Yes, they've been very swift to stick their thumbs in Microsoft's eye when these kind of issues erupt.
Doctor_Thomas
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Maybe Microsoft genuinely don't know.
BasketCasket
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Microsoft employee reading the morning news:
Yes because they never think to update the engine why would they as things get more efficient and improve, it makes complete sense that they would stick with completely shitty old code.
maverick40
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Poor mans killzone: shadowfall, fuck COD
SwiftDeath
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Honestly I think BF4 is a poor mans KZ (graphically of course, not gameplay)
And COD is an even poorer man's BF4 (again graphically)
Or, Microsoft aren't ready and they have been trying to hit a moving target in the development environment.
Saying that looking at the specs of the One's GPU it simply is not a 1080p GPU.
BasketCasket
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It's nice that Sony knows the resolution of the games on their platform.
Apparently those type of details aren't always important for a company in their position.
SwiftDeath
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It's not as simple as that to my knowledge the XB1's GPU can certainly handle 1080p but other effects (framerate, IQ etc.) may have to be lessoned in comparison to its closest competitor
It's biggest problem right now is the ESram because the 32mb seems to be a bottleneck for some new buffering techniques
But thats complete bollocks...
Forza is 5 1080p, native @ 60fps. NBA is 1080p native @60fps.
The system is capable of outputting NATIVE 1080p.
IF it does turn out to be true and COD Ghosts is 720p on the XOne, I would say its more an indication of Infinity Ward skill set.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Um my gtx 560 can hit 1080p without unified memory, less of it, and less general purpose ram...
Forza 5 is supposed to be running at native 1080p...
So I hope your post is satirical in nature since it happens to be wrong
Lol dude, you just called id tech 3 shitty old code...
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Fuck... why aren't more FPS games using id tech 3? TF using source as a basis for their engine is acceptable though.
CoD still look like shit even at native 1080p.
The impact here is that IW can't even make it run at native 1080p in the Xbone.
So who people are questioning how the fuck does a not so good looking game (that doesn't even have any technical advancements from its PS3/360 versions) not run at a higher resolution on a machine that is much much powerful than the PS3/360 ?
Its not that simple though.
So are you saying that devs of Killer Instinct, Ryse, and Dead Rising have lesser skill set than the devs of 2K14 and Forza 5 ?
dr_rus
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It'll look much shittier in a non-native resolution though.
You have to put into perspective that sports games are not as demanding as fancy action games and Forza uses basically a pimped Forza 4 engine with baked lighting, and reflections. The question is, why games like Ryse, KI, or nearly all 3rd parties run at lower resolution. Its a mix of immature tools, weak hardware and bottleneck(s). Cant really blame developers for this.
Quadraphonic
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There's no argument the system can output a standard resolution. Hell, it could output 40k if it wanted. It's not a technical display limit.
The problem comes up when it CAN'T using the same graphical effects that are in place on the PS4 in specific engines, so the choice becomes "Turn of specular highlights" or "Reduce the resolution slightly".
Things obviously optimize and mature as time goes on. Early PS3 games were god awful. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 had a dogshit framerate in 1080p. Tony Hawk games were worse.
The problem is that consoles don't exist in a vacuum. People have a choice, and unless you're a complete masochist, you're probably buying some multiplatform games. That means you will be purchasing a demonstrably uglier game every time.
Not all programmers are created equal. This device is 8 YEARS older than the current Xbox 360. After 8 years, they can't make games run at a consistently higher resolution, specifically one that is on the vast majority of TVs? Doesn't that seem odd.
8 years ago, HDTVs were just becoming popular. 480i was still very common.
shinra-bansho
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Cross-posting this from the other thread; quotes are from Timothy Lottes:
Of course I have no idea whether this is the case in particular for Ghosts (maybe someone like Durante or gofreak could chime in as to whether this may be part of the case?). And yes, it looks sorta like ass compared to some of the other next-gen games from the PS4 footage shown, regardless of resolution. But I don't think one can really just say "Well this game does it. That game should be able to as well." Different games are doing different things.
The whole "lazy untalented devs" thing seems a bit unwarranted.
The PS3 and 360 can output native 1080p I'm not saying the One can't, but the GPU is simply not a 1080p GPU, its bandwidth and fillrate starved which is important as the pixel count increases, and doesn't have a lot of spare compute available to help out the average at best CPU. Modern techniques will quickly bring the thing to its knees.
The ESRAM is going to struggle to contain a modern 1080p framebuffer too, its simply not happening I'm afraid.
Yet I have no doubt that COD will beat BF4 1.5:1 in sales and BF4 will beat KZ 5:1.
blitzcloud
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tokyostomp
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bomba?
The Maverick
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I'm glad he stepped out there and confirmed it. Wish there was more transparency in the industry.
Lol
Sony has been coming off so well beginning to end. They always have the right thing and say the right thing. That's how it "feels" right now.
And that's my point -- This is more of a PR problem [for MS] than a substantive problem. Most people don't know o care about 1080p or 720p -- To the average consumer these don't look different on a TV.
Losing control of the PR, and the message, though -- That's substantive.
And that's my point -- This is more of a PR problem [for MS] than a substantive problem. Most people don't know o care about 1080p or 720p -- To the average consumer these don't look different on a TV.
Losing control of the PR, and the message, though -- That's substantive.
Microsoft employee reading the morning news:
90% of neogaf when they read the morning news:
I think what most are over looking on both sides, one lol xboned, the other doesnt matter if its 720p, is that it maybe running at 720p on a brand new $500 console thats just not acceptable and is a sign of ms struggling with their tools and maybe a sign of the struggles ahead to match ps4. This goes way past cod ms needs to answer these questions.
Could have to do with Albert being corporate guy, and Boyes being a nerd like us.
Cod looks pretty good on pc. They always look more impressive than bf games to me and bf using a new engine.
Forza isnt exactly the best example as it does not look very impressive IMO. Driveclub looks substantially better.
Sports game as mentioned by someone else tend not to be that demanding on a system.
Laugh all you want, that is exactly the ratio at which MW3 outsold Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 3 outsold Killzone 3. And KZ3 released early 2011 with no competition. On a platform with 60 million installed consoles. If anything it's gonna be much worse this time (releasing against the most popular FPS ever and only on one platform with supply problems til January 2014.
This grandma really is hilarious. lol
It has to do with the fact that one answer is bad news and the other answer is good news. If Xbox One's version of CoD was running at 1080p, we'd know.
He's laughing at you because you brought up sales in a graphics thread.
But not on anything like a demanding game, a lot of compromises need to be made to hit 1080p, sports games have never pushed the hardware and Forza 5 is not a good example of a next gen game
Getting tired of people saying this - presumably they'd be happier if the frame rate was cut in two so that it can move like shit /and/ play like shit, but look great in stills.
I've looked at the videos and it looks fine to me, anyone who expects a huge jump this generation is pretty confused, but the pressure for there to be one is just going to leave us with yet more 30fps. The days of DOA2 appearing in the PS2 launch and hitting the ball out of the park are gone.
It's you that is confused.
KZ's multiplayer is also 1080p/60fps, and it looks massively better graphically.
Every game that uses a lot of individual dynamic light sources is probably using deferred rendering techniques, and as it has been written here for months, the size of the ESRAM pool might make these approaches complicated at high resolutions.
bigboss370
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famousmortimer said:
why? has any developer done this before on consoles, trying to patch resolution of a game after its gone gold? afaik its being upscaled on X1 anyways, so why use the time/money/resources for this?
They have indeed. ZoE2 and Super Stardust on PS3 both did.
FeiRR
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60 million PS3s in 2011? But I think you're placing a safe bet. BF4 will be on 5 platforms and KZ:SF on only one. If KZ:SF sells 3 million copies, I think GG and Sony will be very pleased. That would make BF4 sell 15 million which is less than DICE/EA expect, I think. I also think BF is a much more expensive game to make.
They're open goals, but MS keeps providing them.
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