i don't know, what was wrong with those console types a scant 12 months ago when they were making the same arguments against elitist PC boogiemen?
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Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches
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i don't know, what was wrong with those console types a scant 12 months ago when they were making the same arguments against elitist PC boogiemen?
Correct, he is not.
I will watch and evaluate this entire video:
*sigh*
He blames the industry for this controversy, saying it's their fault for pushing the 1080p standard. As if gamers weren't already well aware of the benefit, and wouldn't want that shit all of their own.
Talks about it being a "McGuffin", goes on to say he sometimes can't even tell the difference (classic game journalist deflection). Goes on a tangent about it being about game design, not visuals - another false choice game journalists love to bandy about - and consistent misunderstanding of why this is an issue altogether.
Let me help you, Adam Sessler ->
1. You keep going on and on about how "it's still game design." Guess what? It's still game design at 1080p too. One does not need to make a choice. Your game design is not damaged because you aim for a factually superior resolution standard. I
2. Saying you can't see differences in resolution is not something someone in your position should be proud of. Your job is to inform consumers, not attempt to obfuscate the problems and attempt to minimize their impact. Your job is not to run damage control. It's to state the facts. Yes, 720p -> 1080p is a big difference. Yes, it is quite easily noticeable. Yes, it indicates a gap in power of XBO/PS4, and that has an impact on potential game design scenarios too (power is not just visuals). It's all connected.
3. Resolution is also important for gaming: the added clarity helps in game design.
4. Gamers already knew the importance of 1080p over 720p. The industry didn't need to "push" the standard for this to be the case. We already knew it, we already wanted it. We had a whole gen of games barely at 720p, often below that, and you want us to be satisfied with that shit for another gen? At $400-$500 for new hardware? I can only say "fuck off" with that settling shit. We should expect more and demand more.
5. Journalists, please stop offering false choices to gamers. It's not VISUALS or GAMEPLAY. It's not GOOD ONLINE or FREE ONLINE. These are false choices. They do not exist on a spectrum that requires anyone to select either option. You can have both.
Adam Sessler said:
*sigh*
He blames the industry for this controversy, saying it's their fault for pushing the 1080p standard. As if gamers weren't already well aware of the benefit, and wouldn't want that shit all of their own.
Talks about it being a "McGuffin", goes on to say he sometimes can't even tell the difference (classic game journalist deflection). Goes on a tangent about it being about game design, not visuals - another false choice game journalists love to bandy about - and consistent misunderstanding of why this is an issue altogether.
Let me help you, Adam Sessler ->
1. You keep going on and on about how "it's still game design." Guess what? It's still game design at 1080p too. One does not need to make a choice. Your game design is not damaged because you aim for a factually superior resolution standard. I
2. Saying you can't see differences in resolution is not something someone in your position should be proud of. Your job is to inform consumers, not attempt to obfuscate the problems and attempt to minimize their impact. Your job is not to run damage control. It's to state the facts. Yes, 720p -> 1080p is a big difference. Yes, it is quite easily noticeable. Yes, it indicates a gap in power of XBO/PS4, and that has an impact on potential game design scenarios too (power is not just visuals). It's all connected.
3. Resolution is also important for gaming: the added clarity helps in game design.
4. Gamers already knew the importance of 1080p over 720p. The industry didn't need to "push" the standard for this to be the case. We already knew it, we already wanted it. We had a whole gen of games barely at 720p, often below that, and you want us to be satisfied with that shit for another gen? At $400-$500 for new hardware? I can only say "fuck off" with that settling shit. We should expect more and demand more.
5. Journalists, please stop offering false choices to gamers. It's not VISUALS or GAMEPLAY. It's not GOOD ONLINE or FREE ONLINE. These are false choices. They do not exist on a spectrum that requires anyone to select either option. You can have both.
Prince Vultan
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Just doesn't have enough information on 1080p yet. Needs to wait and see...
Wait, was THAT what all that drama was about?
He couldn't get a free console to review games?
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Pretty much. Seeing as Sony was literally threatening his way of life, it's no wonder he's salty.
Animation is entirely graphical and yet it goes along with advances in AI and not graphics? What?
Also is anyone else sick of hearing about "advances in AI" coming from more power? Yes its possible it can be used for that but no devs do. An xbox 1 game (halo) still has better AI than the vast majority of current games.
Also is anyone else sick of hearing about "advances in AI" coming from more power? Yes its possible it can be used for that but no devs do. An xbox 1 game (halo) still has better AI than the vast majority of current games.
plagiarize
Banned
Quite literally, one system is better at playing the same game as the other. Pointing this out, somehow, has the gaming press labelling you a basement dwelling pixel counting nerd.
Rather than someone who likes playing games.
Why wouldn't I want to know which system is better at playing BF4 or Ghosts? Games are powered by technology. It's not a separate, but interesting, part of the hobby.
Boogalogist
Member
This guy used to have my respect. Welcome to my shitlist.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Yep. The whole Sessler Twitter drama was about a free PS4 he didn't get. It's as bad as it sounds.
Colonel Nasty
Member
I'm sorry but did I miss the all these articles last gen touting the 360s multiplatform superiority? People keep bringing this up but I don't remember seeing it anywhere else other than message boards and digital foundry.
VGChampion
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Some people see these videos before they're posted on GAF.
SmoothRunningGun
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All of sudden graphics don't matter now that ms has the the weaker, more expensive console...
I thought this guy was quitting for...reasons.
I thought this guy was quitting for...reasons.
Lactose_Intolerant
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No, they would talk about how that's what the $100 difference gets you.
Syphon Filter
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To be fair not all games will be 1080p/60 fps.
Maninthemirror
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You don't get resolution without power nor do you get animation or good ai.
AuthenticM
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and we're done here.
No, Sessler wants a preview retail unit for Rev3Games.
Different thing. Sessler has gone on record of pre ordering both the PS4 and XBox One.
But Sony has traditionally have not given away free retail units before launch BECAUSE they're trying to sell as many as possible.
ThisWreckage
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No, they'd be eating Sony alive and this guy detailed exactly why that would be the case below:
travisbickle
Member
------- < here's the bar set for next gen tech wise.
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Sony
MS
See, Sony is closer to the bar. Well done Sony. Come on reviewers give Sony a clap for getting closer to the bar, it's not that difficult.
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Sony
MS
See, Sony is closer to the bar. Well done Sony. Come on reviewers give Sony a clap for getting closer to the bar, it's not that difficult.
SwiftDeath
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All things have more room to breath more power to utilize on the PS4
If next-gen exists so that devs can have better animation and AI advancements than the PS4 is more next-gen than the XB1 as it can do more of that
There is no argument to be made where you can say the clear power advantage the PS4 has means nothing and then go on to say next-gen is necessary because current systems power limit devs ability to better animate and create better AI
It's insanely hypocritical
It's not weird that major gaming sites/gaming hosts are now downplaying the importance of graphics and performance in console games. Remember - these are the same outlets and twitter accounts that were trying to convince us that Sony was 100% on board with Microsoft's used game and DRM policies.
It should come as no surprise that these guys are at it again.
They should be eating MS alive. It's fucking ridiculous.
toddhunter
Member
That is the thing that is confusing me from the gaming press.
Ok the PS4 is running games at 1080p and not 720p. If you want to downplay the difference and say it is all about gameplay and AI and whatever then fine.
But how does that not mean the PS4 could also be running at 720p and pack a lot more shit into games in return? The resolution boost doesn't simple emerge out of nowhere.
This makes no sense at all. I mean, I guess it would if microsoft was the only player but you have to take into account sony. Doesn't it make sense that if they kiss the balls of Microsoft then they won't get free ps4 stuff?
The reason is simple. The major outlets, believe it or not, don't cater solely to gaf. Sure, a percentage of their audience has the same mindset of gaf but a lot more of their audience aren't absolutely overcome with obsession about resolution and IQ. Why do you think Fox News caters to republicans and msnbc caters to democrats? That's their audience. The same goes for major games media outlets.
I don't remember that either. I remember a bunch of heated arguments in Face Off threads (often about miniscule differences) but I expect that from GAF. I got the feeling that nobody else (read the majority of the customer base) gave a shit about the differences between multiplat games.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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So games are what matter but when the game in question is the same exact game releasing on two different consoles, why does the shortcomings not matter?
See, I feel if gaming journalists make this argument that graphics (or in this case) resolution doesn't matter, then they should be void from even bringing it up in any review, critique, criticism etc. If The game is the only thing that matters, anything starting with numbers and ends with a "p" shouldn't even leave the mouth.
See, I feel if gaming journalists make this argument that graphics (or in this case) resolution doesn't matter, then they should be void from even bringing it up in any review, critique, criticism etc. If The game is the only thing that matters, anything starting with numbers and ends with a "p" shouldn't even leave the mouth.
WoolyNinja
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Go back to the first couple of years of this gen and there were plenty of lower scores for PS3 versions due to small differences in graphics.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
"up-res'ed 1080p" ... you got to be kidding me.
UberTag
Member
He turned heel on the gamers. He's the equivalent of the whiny heel that uses big words to deliberately talk above his intended audience to mask his transparently selfish intentions.
The Sess is now Damien Sandow.
Henry Jones Jr
Member
This point has always gotten me. I hate when people act like a game can't have good graphics AND good gameplay. They create they false idea that good graphics always come at the cost of good gameplay. Its the same argument you often saw with the Wii. Sure, the Wii had some great freaking games, but I would have LOVED to have had a 1080p Mario Galaxy (or even 720p) with proper surround sound.
plagiarize
Banned
I love all your posts on this issue by the way. Higher resolutions and frame rates literally make most games more immersive and playable. Being able to clearly make out things in the distance, vs not. More responsive controls vs less responsive controls.
These are tangible things which can improve almost any game. Why is it nerdy system wars to want to see these things? I want to see these things on both systems. Just because that isn't the case and I want to make sure other people know, doesn't make me a nit picking fanboy.
First of all, I'm staying on PC and not buying any consoles now, so I can definitely see why 1080p/60 fps is important. So I can understand what your point.
But, at the same time, I agree with him that game design and AI are way more important. I didn't see much of him on G4, but I've been watching Rev3 frequently and I agree with their vision that game design is a better focus.
Now, I'm not saying that we must choose one or the other. In fact, PC shows that you can have both. What I'm saying here, and I agree with Adam on this, is that while the resolution and frame rate are issues, it won't matter if the game quality is sub-par.
But, at the same time, I agree with him that game design and AI are way more important. I didn't see much of him on G4, but I've been watching Rev3 frequently and I agree with their vision that game design is a better focus.
Now, I'm not saying that we must choose one or the other. In fact, PC shows that you can have both. What I'm saying here, and I agree with Adam on this, is that while the resolution and frame rate are issues, it won't matter if the game quality is sub-par.
Domcorleone
Member
I dont understand what these journalists don't get. The PS4 is CHEAPER and is MORE POWERFUL. That plays a factor in what console someone buys as well as what platform they chose to play their multiplats on.
Journo's keep on saying "its about the games, not the resolution" as if somehow having one means we shouldn't expect the other or that somehow the PS4's power difference means nothing if the games aren't good. The fact is most console owners play multi plats more than exclusives, and so choosing the console that has the definitive version is natural.
Im honestly tired of them trying to downplay it, considering every gaming site had comparisons last gen to HELP US DETERMINE WHICH VERSIONS OF GAMES TO BUY. Now it doesn't matter because everything is "upscaled". Come on.
Journo's keep on saying "its about the games, not the resolution" as if somehow having one means we shouldn't expect the other or that somehow the PS4's power difference means nothing if the games aren't good. The fact is most console owners play multi plats more than exclusives, and so choosing the console that has the definitive version is natural.
Im honestly tired of them trying to downplay it, considering every gaming site had comparisons last gen to HELP US DETERMINE WHICH VERSIONS OF GAMES TO BUY. Now it doesn't matter because everything is "upscaled". Come on.
Only about graphics, or was it game play problems, glitches, frame rate, etc because of slow to learn developers with the Cell?
You want to drag PC gaming into this? Really?
That isn't the same thing the person you quoted is talking about.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
I honestly think they just want parity so that it will drive more people to check out their articles. If there is a clear favorite, you don't need to stay up to date on everything. Enthusiasm wanes.
Same reason all the major news sites called the presidential election close, when it wasn't.
Gherid__lacksGPS
Banned
Yup. I miss OG Sess.
Pretty much disagree with most of what he says anymore. It's like he tries to give this false sense of subjectivity and makes everything a wash, never really takes a definitive stance on anything. Masks over a lot of pretty obvious stuff in the process
Uno Venova
Banned
I actually forgot about that, I wonder if that will happen for next gen.
I know the answer.
Portugeezer
Gold Member
Well not only that, but it's almost as if, you know, with next gen consoles people expect a technical jump; 720p aint it.
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