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[kbear]

2) Microsoft and Sony can both completely fuck off and PC gaming is still doing just great. PC gaming doesn't need Microsoft or Sony.

You realize that the majority of the multi-platform 360/PS3/PC games wouldn't be made for PC's if Microsoft and Sony fucked off? You know, all the ones you brag about playing at 60 fps and whatever res -- the superior versions. Most wouldn't even be made...gaming as a whole would be dead if console manufacturers like MS and Sony weren't around. For example, you think Capcom would have made DMC4 if the 360 and PS3 weren't on the market and it was just PC? Same can be said for countless other multi-plat games.

Anyway, this is a great move by MS. It'll help the 360 versions sales, which is all that matters at this point, and make little difference with lost PC sales because, unfortunately, half of the players probably would have pirated it, especially with a single-player only game like this. Maybe it'll be released six months to a year down the road, but by then who's going to care...

 

[KHarvey16]

Anyway, this is a great move by MS.

What is? We don't know anything. We have an article extrapolating "not talking about the PC version at this time" into "PC version is up in the air."

 

[ghst]

You realize that the majority of the multi-platform 360/PS3/PC games wouldn't be made for PC's if Microsoft and Sony fucked off?

developers would build the games, gamers would build the machines to play them. no gouged proprietary bullshit, no pen-and-ink exclusives, no subservient platform zealots.

sigh.

 

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

developers would build the games, gamers would build the machines to play them. no gouged proprietary bullshit, no pen-and-ink exclusives, no subservient platform zealots.

sigh.

What about the people who like and want to play games but dont wanna build a PC or have to upgrade every couple years?

 

[Confidence Man]

What about the people who like and want to play games but dont wanna build a PC or have to upgrade every couple years?

You get the Wii. :lol

 

[KHarvey16]

What about the people who like and want to play games but dont wanna build a PC or have to upgrade every couple years?

No one "has" to upgrade every couple years these days.

 

[AndyD]

What about the people who like and want to play games but dont wanna build a PC or have to upgrade every couple years?

Buy a PC from the store. And only get one every 4-5 years. A fall 2004 PC, store bought, still plays almost all my games at 1280x1024 on the monitor that came with it just fine.

And like consoles, every 4-5 years or so a new generation of games starts coming out that no longer works well/at all on old machines. So I built a new PC last month for the next 5 years.

Expecting any hardware to last more than 4-5 years competitively is absurd in gaming.

As to that above coment on whether games would not be made if there were no consoles, they would definitely get made. The buyers and market and money are still there, on one platform that is even easier to program for and with fewer publisher imposed limits. So if anything, if 360 and PS3 were gone, we would see more games, not less.

 

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

OK cool thanks for the reply.

Off topic any idea of what kinda computer i would need to run Sins of a Solar Empire. It's the only PC exclusive that im really interested in.

 

[ghst]

OK cool thanks for the reply.

Off topic any idea of what kinda computer i would need to run Sins of a Solar Empire. It's the only PC exclusive that im really interested in.

google "gaf $500 pc thread". hurry along now, a brave new world awaits.

 

[kbear]

developers would build the games, gamers would build the machines to play them. no gouged proprietary bullshit, no pen-and-ink exclusives, no subservient platform zealots.

sigh.

Why cut out my post? I made a valid point:

Most wouldn't even be made...gaming as a whole would be dead if console manufacturers like MS and Sony weren't around. For example, you think Capcom would have made DMC4 if the 360 and PS3 weren't on the market and it was just PC? Same can be said for countless other multi-plat games.

I dunno how you can discount the above. Do you really think SF4, DMC4, RE5, Mirror's Edge, Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia, etc., literally I could list 90% of the biggest releases from this gen... you really think these games would be made if console manufacturers like MS and Sony didn't exist? There would be no financial incentive for them to be made...certainly not the $20-30 million dev-cost variety. I like PC gaming as much as the next guy but you can't discount the huge impact on the PC's library that consoles have.

 

[sprocket]

No one "has" to upgrade every couple years these days.

this.. its not nearly like it was 6 or 7 years ago. a decent cpu and gpu will last you as long as a console will.

 

[KHarvey16]

I dunno how you can discount the above. Do you really think SF4, DMC4, RE5, Mirror's Edge, Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia, etc., would be made on PC only if the 360 and PS3 didn't exist? Literally I could list 90% of the biggest releases from this gen, would be made if console manufacturers like MS and Sony didn't exist? There would be no financial incentive for them to be made...certainly not the $20-30 million dev-cost variety. I like PC gaming as much as the next guy but you can't discount the huge impact on the PC's library that consoles have.

If there were no consoles everyone would have to game on a PC. This isn't a very fruitful exercise anyway, there's no way to offer much meaningful speculation.

 

[usea]

You realize that the majority of the multi-platform 360/PS3/PC games wouldn't be made for PC's if Microsoft and Sony fucked off? You know, all the ones you brag about playing at 60 fps and whatever res -- the superior versions. Most wouldn't even be made...gaming as a whole would be dead if console manufacturers like MS and Sony weren't around.

PC gaming isn't ports of Gears and Devil May Cry. The vast majority of good PC games never come to consoles, or are completely feasible in a world without consoles. Consoles could disappear from the planet and PC gaming would not bat an eye. Foosbal and Shuffleboard sales would go up I guess.

 

[kbear]

If there were no consoles everyone would have to game on a PC. This isn't a very fruitful exercise anyway, there's no way to offer much meaningful speculation.

Yeah, they would all have to game on PC but that means the devs would have to deal with the abundant piracy, further decreasing their incentive to put out monster AAA blockbusters on the PC, and it would probably mean a smaller userbase in general due to the accessibility factor. And also the price (yeah I know, you can get a beast of a rig for $500, that's still a lot of money).

 

[sprocket]

Why cut out my post? I made a valid point:



I dunno how you can discount the above. Do you really think SF4, DMC4, RE5, Mirror's Edge, Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia, etc., literally I could list 90% of the biggest releases from this gen... you really think these games would be made if console manufacturers like MS and Sony didn't exist? There would be no financial incentive for them to be made...certainly not the $20-30 million dev-cost variety. I like PC gaming as much as the next guy but you can't discount the huge impact on the PC's library that consoles have.

Hey im all for console games on PC . I like being able to run all those games at setting and frame rates that I choose. I wish everyone was like capcom and activision.

 

[kbear]

PC gaming isn't ports of Gears and Devil May Cry. The vast majority of good PC games never come to consoles, or are completely feasible in a world without consoles. Consoles could disappear from the planet and PC gaming would not bat an eye. Foosbal and Shuffleboard sales would go up I guess.

Western RPGs, RTS, FPS, what exactly are you referring to? I follow PC gaming pretty tightly. I certainly couldn't live off that. I need my epic, third-person action/adventure games, fighting games, etc.

 

[KHarvey16]

Yeah, they would all have to game on PC but that means the devs would have to deal with the abundant piracy, further decreasing their incentive to put out monster AAA blockbusters on the PC, and it would probably mean a smaller userbase in general due to the accessibility factor. And also the price (yeah I know, you can get a beast of a rig for $500, that's still a lot of money).

It's not a lot of money when you consider plenty of people buy PS3's and then hook them up to expensive televisions, or have plenty who own multiple consoles. As far as value for your money PC's really can't be touched.

Piracy on the PC is overblown to some extent. Not to mention the fact that with games solely existing on the PC anti-piracy measures would evolve much faster. Everything is cracked eventually of course but who knows what they'd come up with if everyone was trying to do the same thing.

 

[ghst]

Yeah, they would all have to game on PC but that means the devs would have to deal with the abundant piracy, further decreasing their incentive to put out monster AAA blockbusters on the PC, and it would probably mean a smaller userbase in general due to the accessibility factor. And also the price (yeah I know, you can get a beast of a rig for $500, that's still a lot of money).

in my future world. there is no piracy, the proposed motherboard based tech takes off like a rocket and slays it dead.

so lets lowball max budget at a game the size of crysis + everyone who would've owned a ps360 but without the option has built their own rig rather than give up gaming altogether. there is nothing restrictive of style of genre just because the machines are home made.

now what, still want to piss up the walls of my utopia?

 

[Zinthar]

The PC version is DEFINITELY coming. The game has been shown on the PC previous to its showing on the 360.

It's entirely possible that with the limited resources at Remedy's disposal, they and Microsoft decided that they needed to put everything into getting the 360 version out the door by next spring. Also, the needs of the 360 are much more specific and limited than the needs of the PC version -- it's probably much easier to do the 360 version first and then 'port' (this may be a misnomer as the code was probably originally PC native) up to the PC after.

Either way, I strongly suspect that we'll see a PC version of Alan Wake in 2010. I own both 360 and PC, but I'm inclined to wait for the PC version because I'm quite certain that it'll destroy the technical performance of the 360 version (on moderate to strong PC's) and may add a few features.

Going back to play TLAD on 360 after playing GTA:IV PC nearly maxed out with the clip capturing feature was difficult indeed.

 

[kbear]

It's not a lot of money when you consider plenty of people buy PS3's and then hook them up to expensive televisions, or have plenty who own multiple consoles. As far as value for your money PC's really can't be touched.

Piracy on the PC is overblown to some extent. Not to mention the fact that with games solely existing on the PC anti-piracy measures would evolve much faster. Everything is cracked eventually of course but who knows what they'd come up with if everyone was trying to do the same thing.

You forgot to address the accessibility factor as well, which is probably a much bigger deal. There's no way it would get as mainstream as it is today with the 360 and PS3, you know what I'm saying? It would never be a massive 10 billion dollar a year industry that rivals Hollywood like it is now, which means considerably less AAA blockbuster $20-30 million games. That's all I'm saying.

 

[KHarvey16]

You forgot to address the accessibility factor as well, which is probably a much bigger deal. There's no way it would get as mainstream as it is today with the 360 and PS3, you know what I'm saying? It would never be a massive 10 billion dollar a year industry that rivals Hollywood like it is now, which means considerably less AAA blockbuster $20-30 million games. That's all I'm saying.

If there were no consoles the PC landscape would be completely different. You're trying to imagine a world that is radically different yet PC's are the same. That couldn't be the case.

 

[Davidion]

You forgot to address the accessibility factor as well, which is probably a much bigger deal. There's no way it would get as mainstream as it is today with the 360 and PS3, you know what I'm saying? It would never be a massive 10 billion dollar a year industry that rivals Hollywood, which means less AAA blockbuster $20-30 million games. That's all I'm saying.

Funny, you seem to have the 360 and the ps3 confused with the wii.

 

[kbear]

If there were no consoles the PC landscape would be completely different. You're trying to imagine a world that is radically different yet PC's are the same. That couldn't be the case.

And you're imagining a huge shift in the dynamics, which also wouldn't be the case.

Funny, you seem to have the 360 and the ps3 confused with the wii.

What?

 

[sprocket]

who said pc wasnt main stream? the biggest selling games in the world are on PC.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Buy a PC from the store. And only get one every 4-5 years. A fall 2004 PC, store bought, still plays almost all my games at 1280x1024 on the monitor that came with it just fine.

My fall 2004 PC barely runs Prey and HL 2 at 640x480.

 

[KHarvey16]

And you're imagining a huge shift in the dynamics, which also wouldn't be the case.

Uh...imagining a world where there are no video game consoles should make you think in that direction.

 

[kbear]

who said pc wasnt main stream? the biggest selling games in the world are on PC.

that's a pretty thin argument
i think you know what i'm saying

Uh...imagining a world where there are no video game consoles should make you think in that direction.

Again, you didn't address the accessibility factor, which is a huge reason why the 360/PS3/PS2 have been so successful. How is that going to change, in your opinion?

 

[Davidion]

What?

The reason that the gaming industry is still "competitive" with Hollywood has more to do with the wii's financial success and nowhere near as much to do with the 360 and PS3.

Minus your "multiplatform" games, the PC would still have an ocean of games to keep it afloat. You don't really have much meat to your point.

 

[KHarvey16]

Again, you didn't address the accessibility factor, which is a huge reason why the 360/PS3/PS2 have been so successful. How is that going to change, in your opinion?

If the market demands a more accessible PC given it's the only option for gamers, they will make them. Making the PC the sole platform would change a hell of a lot.

 

[kbear]

The reason that the gaming industry is still "competitive" with Hollywood has more to do with the wii's financial success and nowhere near as much to do with the 360 and PS3.

That would be true if last gen, in which the Wii didn't exist, wasn't also as big of an industry as Hollywood.

Minus your "multiplatform" games, the PC would still have an ocean of games to keep it afloat. You don't really have much meat to your point.

RTS, strategy games, FPS, Western RPGs... OK, but what about the third-person action/adventure games? The fighting games like SF4 and BlazBlue (amazing, btw)? Platformers? Sandbox games like GTA4, Crackdown? On and on...

It might have enough to satiate your personal needs, but not necessarily the tens of millions of other gamers out there.

 

[kbear]

If the market demands a more accessible PC given it's the only option for gamers, they will make them. Making the PC the sole platform would change a hell of a lot.

...and in comes the console. With that, I'm out. Good stuff, fellas.

 

[KHarvey16]

...and in comes the console. With that, I'm out. Good stuff, fellas.

:lol :lol

What was the point of that?

 

[ghst]

RTS, strategy games, FPS, Western RPGs... OK, but what about the third-person action/adventure games? The fighting games like SF4 and BlazBlue (amazing, btw)? Platformers? Sandbox games like GTA4, Crackdown? On and on...

It might have enough to satiate your personal needs, but not necessarily the tens of millions of other gamers out there.

all these games would fit right in just swell on their new found home.

 

[kbear]

:lol :lol

What was the point of that?

Yeah, the whole argument was pointless...just fun speculation.

 

[Davidion]

That would be true if last gen, in which the Wii didn't exist, wasn't also as big of an industry as Hollywood.

That's nice, the PS2 generation is already gone. If you'd like to continue deluding yourself and pretend to ignore the elephant in the room that is the wii, feel free.

RTS, strategy games, FPS, Western RPGs... OK, but what about the third-person action/adventure games? The fighting games like SF4 and BlazBlue (amazing, btw)? Platformers? Sandbox games like GTA4, Crackdown? On and on...

It might have enough to satiate your personal needs, but not necessarily the tens of millions of other gamers out there.

I like how you think that if the consoles weren't there, the games wouldn't be made for other platforms. And I'm pretty sure there are already tens of millions of gamers playing even those games on the PC.

Super console-centric gamers. :lol



All of this having been said, the game will likely release later on the PC, as the cycle goes. Looking back on this thread, I'm kinda trying to remember why this game garnished so much emotions on all sides.

 

[kbear]

That's nice, the PS2 generation is already gone. If you'd like to continue deluding yourself and pretend to ignore the elephant in the room that is the wii, feel free.



I like how you think that if the consoles weren't there, the games wouldn't be made for other platforms. And I'm pretty sure there are already tens of millions of gamers playing even those games.

Perhaps you should re-read some of my posts. I said games of the quality we're used to this gen; the $20-30 million blockbuster that takes 3-4 years to develop, simply wouldn't be made at such a high rate if PC gaming was the only platform around. Why? Financial reasons such as the userbase for those types of games most likely not being anywhere near as high as the 360/PS3 this gen or the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube last gen + the huge accessibility issue + the piracy issue. This is all speculation but I think what I'm saying holds some merit. Sorry if you don't agree.

 

[Davidion]

Perhaps you should re-read some of my posts. I said games of the quality we're used to this gen; the $20-30 million blockbuster that takes 3-4 years to develop, simply wouldn't be made at such a high rate if PC gaming was the only platform around. Why? Financial reasons such as the userbase for those types of games most likely not being anywhere near as high as the 360/PS3 this gen or the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube last gen + the huge accessibility issue + the piracy issue. This is all speculation but I think what I'm saying holds some merit. Sorry if you don't agree.

You have no idea what the market would be like if a factor as considerable as entire platforms not existing comes into play, and have little to no basis to speculate on in the first place.

This has been noted at least a couple of times already.

 

[Zzoram]

Microsoft doesn't give a shit about PC anymore because they can't charge $10 royalties from anyone who publishes a game, and they can't charge $50/year for every person who plays online games.

It's both our losses if they don't want to make money from profitable franchises like Age of Empires anymore, but Blizzard, Valve, Maxis, and Firaxis are still willing to take our money.

 

[Brofist]

If the market demands a more accessible PC given it's the only option for gamers, they will make them. Making the PC the sole platform would change a hell of a lot.

The market has already made that demand, which is why we have consoles.

 

[KHarvey16]

The market has already made that demand, which is why we have consoles.

Do me a favor and read the entire conversation and then go ahead and comment.

 

[dLMN8R]

If this doesnt come out on PC I will lose what little hope I have left for PC gaming.

Yeah, too bad 2009 has been terrible for PC games and 2010 looks even worse.

Oh wait.


Alan Wake would be nice, but it's not like the platform is struggling in the least.

 

[bishoptl]

"Wouldn't be surprised if it came" IS expectation. Moron.

hey dude fuck off

 

[Brofist]

Do me a favor and read the entire conversation and then go ahead and comment.

I have. All I've read on your part are some hypothetical situations that have no ground in reality (quoted below). You ignore the fact that the reason consoles exist in the first place is to fill a demand in the market.

And then you even go so far as to offer a hypothetical solution, which sounds a lot like what current consoles offer. A simplified way to play games.

If there were no consoles everyone would have to game on a PC. This isn't a very fruitful exercise anyway, there's no way to offer much meaningful speculation.

If there were no consoles the PC landscape would be completely different. You're trying to imagine a world that is radically different yet PC's are the same. That couldn't be the case.

Uh...imagining a world where there are no video game consoles should make you think in that direction.

If the market demands a more accessible PC given it's the only option for gamers, they will make them. Making the PC the sole platform would change a hell of a lot.

 

[KHarvey16]

I have. All I've read on your part are some hypothetical situations that have no ground in reality (quoted below). You ignore the fact that the reason consoles exist in the first place is to fill a demand in the market.

And then you even go so far as to offer a hypothetical solution, which sounds a lot like what current consoles offer. A simplified way to play games.

The premise of the entire conversation was "imagine consoles didn't exist." Saying that if consoles didn't exist that would cause consoles to exist sort of misses the point.

 

[Chiggs]

You know, this is a surprisingly tame thread. I'm impressed.

 

[Wiktor]

Wouldn't surprise me. MS completely pulled out of PCgaming, they even dumped multimillion selling franchises. One one hand it sucks, because Alan Wake looked promising, on the other hand though,...without tons of PC games from MS Games For Windows Live will die out completely, it already almost did, this will just put the final nail in it's coffin. And this would be amazing enough to be worth sacrificing 10 Alan Wakes, not just one

The funny thing is currently even Sony is a huge PCgaming powerhouse compared to Microsoft, as ironic as it is. The same with Square, SEGA, Tecmo, Koei, Capcom or Atlus.
Now who could have predicted this would happen ? :lol

 

[Zzoram]

Games for Windows was a pretty epic failure. The subscription online failed hard almost immediately, they can't even enforce the standard of supporting 360 gamepads in games where it makes sense, and they never ended up using the Windows Experience Index as a way to simplify system requirements.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

i don't understand how you can mock an opinion and then express it yourself in the same thread. or am i reading that wrong?

There's a reason for his tag.

 

[Brashnir]

hey dude fuck off

:lol

He kind of had a point in there somewhere, (though not with that particular post) but it was hard to see it through the wailing and eventual butthurt defensiveness of it all.

 

[Chiggs]

Games for Windows was a pretty epic failure. The subscription online failed hard almost immediately, they can't even enforce the standard of supporting 360 gamepads in games where it makes sense, and they never ended up using the Windows Experience Index as a way to simplify system requirements.

I still see a lot of game with the GFW logo on the horizon. Are we sure it's done? Obviously, GFW Live is deader than dead.