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Alec Baldwin Kills Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins With Real Gun

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ntropy said:
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It all makes sense now
 
carlosrox

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ntropy said:
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Aside from her stance (?) and the other one standing too close (?) what's wrong with this? No eye protection or something? Does she not have a good enough grip?


ps. Obviously I don't fire guns but I've done so at a firing range like twice (followed everything they told me though of course)
 
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carlosrox said:
Aside from her stance (?) and the other one standing too close (?) what's wrong with this? No eye protection or something? Does she not have a good enough grip?


ps. Obviously I don't fire guns but I've done so at a firing range like twice (followed everything they told me though of course)
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There is nothing explicitly wrong with that Pic other than maybe the shooter doesn't seem to have eye pro. I'm guessing it is a. 22 rifle since neither have ear pro (could have plugs though). That stance is the default one by thousands of new shooters, especially women and kids, due to lack of strength to hold the rifle and/ot a fear of the recoil, which this stance makes worse.
 
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carlosrox said:
Aside from her stance (?) and the other one standing too close (?) what's wrong with this? No eye protection or something? Does she not have a good enough grip?


ps. Obviously I don't fire guns but I've done so at a firing range like twice (followed everything they told me though of course)
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Not an expert either, but having watched way to much OEfitness vids on YouTube, all I see when looking at that picture is Mike Tyson saying 'my back is broken, spinal'.
 
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jason10mm said:
There is nothing explicitly wrong with that Pic other than maybe the shooter doesn't seem to have eye pro. I'm guessing it is a. 22 rifle since neither have ear pro (could have plugs though). That stance is the default one by thousands of new shooters, especially women and kids, due to lack of strength to hold the rifle and/ot a fear of the recoil, which this stance makes worse.
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It would make sense that the other person is using a .22 rifle but I can't tell for sure what the caliber of bullet is. You never want to have your stance to be like that with the kid leaning back. Stand up straight and have your feet planted firmly on the ground slightly apart to control your center of gravity.


Basic example

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CGiRanger

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Wow, is she really using incompetence as a defense here? As well as of course shifting blame towards the production.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...errez-says-no-idea-live-rounds-came-from.html
'Hannah was hired on two positions on this film, which made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer.

'Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from. Hannah and the prop master gained control over the guns and she never witnessed anyone shoot live rounds with these guns and nor would she permit that.

'She fought for training, days to maintain weapons and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department.

'The whole production set became unsafe due to various factors, including lack of safety meetings. Not the fault of Hannah.'
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Gotta muddy the waters enough to avoid jail time, let the insurance companies handle the payments, probably no one but Alec has pockets deep enough for a civil suit, all these production companies are usually shells with no assets beyond what is needed for the one thing they are working on at the time.

Back to work in 2 years tops.
 
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She has no defense at being terrible at her job, as she has a free teacher in her father. I wouldn't be surprised if she has little interest in the job, but the family connections made it too easy to not pursue.
 
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Thaedolus said:
Even if this is true, the proper response is:
a) don't take the second job that doesn't let you do the most important job on the set: making sure people aren't killed
b) if you're not allowed to do your job and it's causing safety issues, resign in protest
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yeah, that only makes her look even more negligent.
It also makes the production of the movie to look pretty negligent as well, if the statements are true that is.
 
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Thaedolus said:
Even if this is true, the proper response is:
a) don't take the second job that doesn't let you do the most important job on the set: making sure people aren't killed
b) if you're not allowed to do your job and it's causing safety issues, resign in protest
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I can honestly see her point about management strong-arming her since the crew already complained about unsafe working conditions. Even with those complaints, the director and producers did nothing to fix the issue. However, she can't weasel her way out of this because it was still her responsibility to make sure the guns were safe to use. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers now and no one wants to take accountability. Smdh
 
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Halo is Dead said:
I can honestly see her point about management strong-arming her since the crew already complained about unsafe working conditions. Even with those complaints, the director and producers did nothing to fix the issue. However, she can't weasel her way out of this because it was still her responsibility to make sure the guns were safe to use. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers now and no one wants to take accountability. Smdh
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It seems like everyone is trying to prime this to become a thing where:

"Everyone is at fault. Therefore. No One is at fault." and thus all avoid any serious consequences that way.
 
daveonezero

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it isn’t her fault the assistant director grabbed a firearm sitting on a table. Incorrectly said it was cold then proceeded to give it to another person. Who proceeded to negligently discharge the weapon.

unless she was standing at the table.

from this thread, other actors and industry comments that isn’t the correct procedure.
 
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carlosrox said:
Aside from her stance (?) and the other one standing too close (?) what's wrong with this? No eye protection or something? Does she not have a good enough grip?


ps. Obviously I don't fire guns but I've done so at a firing range like twice (followed everything they told me though of course)
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I own guns and used to go to the range somewhat frequently. Large rifles have kick that needs to be respected because if it's not bad things can quickly happen.

In that image there's a rake of a youth about to discharge a large rifle and she isn't correcting his stance or showing him how to brace against the ensuing kickback. So it could easily buck right into his face or send him reeling onto his ass. It's a repeater so the chances of it going off again if he ends up on his butt is low, but it's still there, not to mention the possibility he may harm himself firing a rifle like that.
 
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BadBurger said:
I own guns and used to go to the range somewhat frequently. Large rifles have kick that needs to be respected because if it's not bad things can quickly happen.

In that image there's a rake of a youth about to discharge a large rifle and she isn't correcting his stance or showing him how to brace against the ensuing kickback. So it could easily buck right into his face or send him reeling onto his ass. It's a repeater so the chances of it going off again if he ends up on his butt is low, but it's still there, not to mention the possibility he may harm himself firing a rifle like
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Her stance with the gun is really fucked. Thought it was a joke pic.
 
Kenpachii

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Halo is Dead said:
I can honestly see her point about management strong-arming her since the crew already complained about unsafe working conditions. Even with those complaints, the director and producers did nothing to fix the issue. However, she can't weasel her way out of this because it was still her responsibility to make sure the guns were safe to use. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers now and no one wants to take accountability. Smdh
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well if you take responsibility u go to jail most likely so yea.

But i agree, she took the job and its her responsibility as result. Specially if its legally needed to get guns going on a set.
 
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carlosrox said:
Her stance with the gun is really fucked. Thought it was a joke pic.
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Pretty typical stance if you lack the strength to hold the weapon properly. That kid (boy, young woman?) is propping the rifle up on their left arm and is using their hip as a rest. I see it all the time. Too much gun/too weak a shooter. Especially those lever actions, all the weight is in the barrel and far forward. Plus I think the shooter is TRYING to use the iron sights but since they can't hold it right and can't get a proper cheek weld due to the too long of a stock, they are holding it like that and trying to peer down the barrel way back. That can work so long as the rifle has minimal recoil and the shooter doesn't have to move. That pic isn't really a "GOTCHA" of incompetence IMHO, that very scene plays out hundreds of times a day across rural America :p
 
Wildebeest

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This seems like even more of a mess than before. The system failed, but it failed in more than one way. The system is designed to first ensure safety and respect for prop guns on set, no matter if they are rubber fakes or real guns. The system is secondly designed to remove responsibility away from actors to specialists. I would say it also failed here, as it was clear on set that safety standards were just not there, and it seems that in previous scenes the actors stopped other accidents from occurring due to their own safety checks. We can say things like Alec "shouldn't" be responsible or this "shouldn't" have happened. Shouldn't be like that, but it is.
 
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@Iraqveteran8888 and @ThePewPewJew joined our pod this week and it was interesting to hear about this tragedy from Hollywood firearms experts. Safe firearms training in Hollywood is inconsistent but SAG rules are actually fairly comprehensive. Take a listen or watch:
 
Jaysen

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Halo is Dead said:
I can honestly see her point about management strong-arming her since the crew already complained about unsafe working conditions. Even with those complaints, the director and producers did nothing to fix the issue. However, she can't weasel her way out of this because it was still her responsibility to make sure the guns were safe to use. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers now and no one wants to take accountability. Smdh
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She’s the reason a lot of the crew felt unsafe. Her and the AD. It’s the productions fault ultimately that nothing was done to address those concerns. Alec is a producer, but just a day prior to the incident, he made a video telling the crew to strike if they felt unsafe because it was the only way they’d get heard.
 
Mossybrew

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I find it bizarre that this thread is consistently bumped. It's a tragedy, let it go, I don't get the fascination.
 
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There are lots of videos of her doing similar things. She is a social media wh.... Er influencer type so she just can't help herself.

She cute but doesn't seem worth the trouble.

Mossybrew Mossybrew you could just not click on the thread, yo.
 
Thaedolus

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Jaysen said:
She’s the reason a lot of the crew felt unsafe. Her and the AD. It’s the productions fault ultimately that nothing was done to address those concerns. Alec is a producer, but just a day prior to the incident, he made a video telling the crew to strike if they felt unsafe because it was the only way they’d get heard.
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You know one person who couldn’t just be replaced with non union workers if he walked off over the safety issues?
 
CGiRanger

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Thaedolus said:
Ah, the tell tale signs of someone who wants to make this about herself
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It really is pure unadulterated narcissism that drives these people. That instagram pic of their hand-holding (literally just their hands in the screenshot) has got to be the most eye-rolling thing possible to post and chock full of their inflated self-worths and egos.
 
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carlosrox said:
Aside from her stance (?) and the other one standing too close (?) what's wrong with this? No eye protection or something? Does she not have a good enough grip?


ps. Obviously I don't fire guns but I've done so at a firing range like twice (followed everything they told me though of course)
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Posture/stance is pretty fucking important, especially with the kickback. Let alone (as the instructor no less) sticking your head anywhere near the shoulder shouldering the butt.
 
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Mossybrew said:
I find it bizarre that this thread is consistently bumped. It's a tragedy, let it go, I don't get the fascination.
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And I find it bizarre that you've got to post to whine about it. Usually I'm not so retarded as to be unable to just ignore a thread I'm not interested in. But for the times I get triggered like that, there's an "ignore thread" button.
 
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