SerTapTap
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I'd be surprised if that many people like that played any of the gta games
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Almost GTA:SA's 10 year anniversary. Did you like playing as CJ?
I'd be surprised if that many people like that played any of the gta games
Canis lupus
Member
1. GTA V
2. GTA SA
3. GTA VC
2. GTA SA
3. GTA VC
Spring-Loaded
Member
The "realistic" physics didn't suck al the fun out of the games. Fun was hindered due to restrictive mission design that didn't acknowledge/take advantage of those physics.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
I didn't go on internet gaming sites back then andI never knew this. Nobody at my school had a problem with him being black.
ipukespiders
Member
Okay, so it took to post 46 before I could figure out what was going on here. I only ever played a brief amount of GTA 3 and GTA 4 and wasn't much a fan of even those.
Fixed
Pharaoh 117
Member
Loved CJ. He's cool as fuck.
Certinty
Member
CJ was great, but part of me still prefers Franklin over him.
Either way I absolutely loved the whole game, the characters, radio stations, map, activities and everything else were all amazing. Shame the game was too ahead of it's time as it really deserved to be a 360/PS3 game instead I think.
At the end of the day it's my second favourite game only behind GTA V but I have to say SA is more fun.
Either way I absolutely loved the whole game, the characters, radio stations, map, activities and everything else were all amazing. Shame the game was too ahead of it's time as it really deserved to be a 360/PS3 game instead I think.
At the end of the day it's my second favourite game only behind GTA V but I have to say SA is more fun.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Oh man that reveal thread was great
"I don't wanna be a pimp"
LOL
"I don't wanna be a pimp
"LOL
Necromanti
Member
I and others that I knew didn't have any trouble playing as CJ and enjoyed his character when the game came out, and there was nothing about him that would have warranted such...special attention as in that thread there. Honestly, the fact that he was a black character (and a protagonist, no less) within a medium where such representation is rare didn't remotely register at the time, but maybe that's because we where 12 and living in the Middle East.
Looking back at it, Tommy is probably the only GTA protagonist I've actually liked. CJ is definitely in second place for me though. CJ himself wasn't that bad, but I found it hard to relate to any the characters during the first and final chapters of the game. It just seemed weird that CJ would hang around someone like Ryder.
Maybe it would have been easier to get if I were born in the US, or had more experience with American media at the time the game came out.
Maybe it would have been easier to get if I were born in the US, or had more experience with American media at the time the game came out.
sixteen-bit
Member
Lotsa dog whistlin' in that '04 thread.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Italian crime mobs are totes more romantic than thugs. Watch Godfather, they had honor and rules and loved family!
Man that original thread was full of utterly remedial wastes of oxygen.
Man that original thread was full of utterly remedial wastes of oxygen.
Bluecondor
Member
I loved every second of GTA: SA, and CJ is one of my favorite characters of all time.
In fact, even though I love GTA: V, I have to admit that Franklin and Lamar (especially Lamar) take away from the experience for me - simply because they don't match up to CJ and the CJ version of Grove Street that was so interesting and compelling. There were so many times in the V story (especially when Lamar would be whining on and on about something), that I would think to myself that CJ would never have put up with this.
In fact, even though I love GTA: V, I have to admit that Franklin and Lamar (especially Lamar) take away from the experience for me - simply because they don't match up to CJ and the CJ version of Grove Street that was so interesting and compelling. There were so many times in the V story (especially when Lamar would be whining on and on about something), that I would think to myself that CJ would never have put up with this.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Strangely, I didn't 'relate' to him in the same way I did Tommy Vercetti, simply because my exposure to LA gang life is much lower than the things Vice City was a pastiche of. Overall, Claude is the most easily relatable for me, since he's silent and just does what others tell him to until the final few missions or so, he's like a blank slate for the player to impose their own personality on.
I think all 3 of them are as good as eachother though, overall. The fact I was playing as a black guy never even crossed my mind at the time for some reason, this was before I was on the internet all the time, and got all my gaming news and views from OPS2
QFT. Great game. Sick soundtrack as well.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yeah, I really liked CJ and never had any problem playing as him. The only slight issue I had with him was that, storyline-wise, he seemed a bit too nice to be doing all the naughty things I had him do. But all in all he was great.
Reading some of those comments... Hahaha...
Don't forget the "every radio station will be filled with rap music" arguments/predictions. Those were quite enjoyable too.
Oh jesus.
Interfectum
Member
But I just "can't relate" brah! I'm not racist!
FalsettoVibe
Member
CJ was awesome. Best GTA game.
I agree with part of what your saying. Lamar and Franklin never feel proper Street either. I didn't feel In the ghetto haha, it wasn't flushed out enough and the rise of the characters in five is very quick, so your out the hood In no time, whereas I felt like I really worked to get my status up in S.A
ldcommando
Banned
Loved that game, no trouble at all playing as CJ and I´m white as fuck
Ultimadrago
Member
The Albatross
Member
Loved CJ and thought the controversy was ridiculous. The quintessential diet racism when so many people who loved playing as a mute hit man and Italian gangster couldn't see themselves playing as a "gangsta" as it went back then.
I didn't get GTA:SA at launch because I had never finished III or Vice City when San Andreas came out, and I didn't have any interest in it really. Then randomly one day I decided I was going to put the time into playing a GTA game, and the series became my favorite because of San ANdreas. Went back and beat Vice City and III after that, and I've replayed San Andreas close to 5 times all the way through. Each time I forget about specific missions and end up really falling in love with the game again, though some things are poorly designed by todays standards.
GTA:SA does many things better than even the newest GTA's.
And much more. I personally prefer the world of San Andreas over that of GTAV, though GTAV's is great and can obviously do things that San Andreas never could... but the scale and diversity of San Andreas' world is unrivaled for a modern-setting action game. Big cities, mountainous areas, small towns, middle-of-nowhere isolation.
Regarding OP itself, and CJ, CJ is up there for my favorite Rockstar protagonists. I go back and forth on John Marston and like him less after replaying RDR (Marston is the most naive, trusting moron in the West upon replay), but CJ stands up to the test of time. I might like Tommy Vercetti more but CJ's much more developed than Vercetti, who is completely one-dimensional. Trevor in GTAV is great, Michael is tollerable, and Franklin was completely boring to me with nothing interesting.
But, the icing on the cake of GTA:SA is the best antagonist of all time, Officer Tenpenny. I don't think there is a better bad guy in any game, ever, than Tenpenny, superbly acted and also incredibly well thought out. He's always within reach of the protagonist, always messing something up for you, always being a thorn in your side, and always present in the game... Something that a lot of bad guys aren't in videogames. Incidentally, it seems that Rockstar spent all of their creative energy on Tenpenny because since GTA:SA, they have not made a single memorable bad guy in any of their games, and not even those badguys who are forgettable, none of them are even in the same universe as Tenpenny. GOAT bad guy, IMO.
You would be surprised. At the time, there was a huge backlash against it. The old forums I used to go to were littered with people who claimed they "just can't identify with a gangsta" and don't want to play "that life." It's ridiculous, but it also feeds into a lot of portrayals of black crime sub-culture and other criminal sub-cultures, particularly Italian. Nearly every media portrayal of mafia sub-culture glorifies the sub-culture, almost holding it up as being virtuous.
The old Madden forums I used to go to, there were a huge number of people who loved GTA III and Vice CIty, but "didn't like gangsta culture" and couldn't identify with it. It was ridiculous. Gaf had a similar response though I think more subdued than elsewhere.
I didn't get GTA:SA at launch because I had never finished III or Vice City when San Andreas came out, and I didn't have any interest in it really. Then randomly one day I decided I was going to put the time into playing a GTA game, and the series became my favorite because of San ANdreas. Went back and beat Vice City and III after that, and I've replayed San Andreas close to 5 times all the way through. Each time I forget about specific missions and end up really falling in love with the game again, though some things are poorly designed by todays standards.
GTA:SA does many things better than even the newest GTA's.
- Property ownership providing a real and tangible benefit, giving you save spots around the world, places to store your vehicles, and places to reload your guns.
- An actual storyline, with a protagonist and antagonist, a story with a beginning, middle, and an end. Shit, Rockstar has not made a cohesive storyline since GTA:SA. The closest has been Red Dead Redemption but even that fell apart completely at times.
- Consistent characters who are identifiable and memorable.
- Star-studded cast
- Still great radio stations, although I think original VC is the GOAT, but SA is a close second.
- So much stuff to do.
- You feel like you make a mark on the world in the game instead of being insignificant and instantly forgotten like in GTAIV and GTAV.
And much more. I personally prefer the world of San Andreas over that of GTAV, though GTAV's is great and can obviously do things that San Andreas never could... but the scale and diversity of San Andreas' world is unrivaled for a modern-setting action game. Big cities, mountainous areas, small towns, middle-of-nowhere isolation.
Regarding OP itself, and CJ, CJ is up there for my favorite Rockstar protagonists. I go back and forth on John Marston and like him less after replaying RDR (Marston is the most naive, trusting moron in the West upon replay), but CJ stands up to the test of time. I might like Tommy Vercetti more but CJ's much more developed than Vercetti, who is completely one-dimensional. Trevor in GTAV is great, Michael is tollerable, and Franklin was completely boring to me with nothing interesting.
But, the icing on the cake of GTA:SA is the best antagonist of all time, Officer Tenpenny. I don't think there is a better bad guy in any game, ever, than Tenpenny, superbly acted and also incredibly well thought out. He's always within reach of the protagonist, always messing something up for you, always being a thorn in your side, and always present in the game... Something that a lot of bad guys aren't in videogames. Incidentally, it seems that Rockstar spent all of their creative energy on Tenpenny because since GTA:SA, they have not made a single memorable bad guy in any of their games, and not even those badguys who are forgettable, none of them are even in the same universe as Tenpenny. GOAT bad guy, IMO.
You would be surprised. At the time, there was a huge backlash against it. The old forums I used to go to were littered with people who claimed they "just can't identify with a gangsta" and don't want to play "that life." It's ridiculous, but it also feeds into a lot of portrayals of black crime sub-culture and other criminal sub-cultures, particularly Italian. Nearly every media portrayal of mafia sub-culture glorifies the sub-culture, almost holding it up as being virtuous.
The old Madden forums I used to go to, there were a huge number of people who loved GTA III and Vice CIty, but "didn't like gangsta culture" and couldn't identify with it. It was ridiculous. Gaf had a similar response though I think more subdued than elsewhere.
TheAbsolution
Member
Now this is probably gonna come as a shock to you but that mission was not required to finish the game. I was so grateful once I figured it out.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
Nope, the physics engine made your character control like absolute shit which made anything besides driving just not fun
Pyrrhus
Member
I enjoyed it a lot, though perhaps not as much as VC. Too many crap missions, perhaps just too long overall. But I should return to it sometime soon. Maybe mod up the PC version for long draw distance, crazy good AA.
Incidentally, does anybody know why Rockstar stopped used celebrity voices after this game?
Incidentally, does anybody know why Rockstar stopped used celebrity voices after this game?
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Problems? Lord. I still have SA for PS2. Better than GTAV.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I think Franklin is more subtle character in his motives and actions. I think GTA V story is way better than many give credit for.
But I prefer CJ because nostalgic reasons...
I never knew they did. Interesting, I was convinced that Micheals son in V was voiced by Jonah Hill, but I think I looked it up and he isn't.
Masquerader
Member
I personally preferred Vercetti, but CJ's still my second favourite, and by a fair margin, too. Also,this probably has the best story of the lot.
EmeraldSwords
Banned
I cared more about Niko than CJ.
speculawyer
Member
San Andreas was a great homage to the black gang films of the 90s. Colors, Boys In the Hood, etc.
Baron_Calamity
Member
My initial reaction was hate. I hated the setting, I hated the music and it just wasn't fun I thought. But then I came back to it and ended up loving everything about it, including the music. The game actually helped appreciate rap music.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
I need to go back to both V and SA, but something about SA just felt... Bigger to me. GTAV had a far better mission structure than GTA:SA though, that's for sure.
Pyrrhus
Member
He's voiced by Little Pete from The Adventures of Pete & Pete. Even has his facial likeness.
So, they're pro actors and all, but not big names like Ray Liotta and Sam Jackson.