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AMD Radeon 300 series (possible) specs
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Pixel benchmark with GTexels? Surely thats a typo.
Thanks, I wasnt aware of this but would like more such cases. As for improved tessellation, thats due to a new geometry engine front end setup rather than any compression algorithms.
Yea the graph is labelled as Gtex/s so a mistake on their part but I should have picked it up too as they do mention Gpix/s in the text.
I know the tessellation is due to an improved front end, the point being that the architecture is better than Hawaii but it is castrated by the low shader count and low clock speeds. If you gave Tonga the same number of shaders and ROPs as Hawaii and clocked it at the same speed it would be faster.
I would be disappointed if it wasn't, after all it's newer architecture. I was mainly interested in Tonga from the memory utilization etc. There are some guesses that it has a larger L2 cache also, would be interesting to see how a "full" Tonga performs.
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/36971-more-amd-r9-300-series-details-show-up
If true, wouldn't having 128 ROPs go a long ways towards helping a single card / single GPU push 4K resolution at good framerates ?
Especially when you consider things like HBM and DX12.
If true, wouldn't having 128 ROPs go a long ways towards helping a single card / single GPU push 4K resolution at good framerates ?
Especially when you consider things like HBM and DX12.
Yes, considering the card is balanced in all other things. This chip keeps sounding too good to be true.
VRAM is still an issue, for 4k 4gb isnt enough for future games.
Yes, though price is still a concern.
Irobot82
Member
What is the current MSRP of of the 980? I imagine they'll drop it at it's current price or a little less.
They reckon they are working on VRAM stacking for multi GPU though.
550.
man thats not only a step up in cooling it also looks cool as hell.
Though id imagine it would pull some power.
how big do you think a 4k frame buffer is?
Nvidia won't drop 980 price unless it's seriously outperformed, they have strong mindshare.
NobleXenon
Member
Does this mean that this card will have a hard time doing triple 1080p surround gaming with a 4k supplemental monitor for video/movie playback simultaneously?
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Isn't this AMD's high-end card? It should be comparable to GM200 and blow the 980 out of the water. Should be like a 290X vs a 680.
Dictator93
Member
This card will do a lot of damamge to 980s game performance. I expect a healthy drop in price if Nvidia wants to actually sell cards, either that or a Titan II launch within a month or so after.
It should technically, hopefully it does.
Would also mean Nvidia cant do a rip off pricing with the GM200 also. Some wishful thinking but (% in terms of performance)
GM200 (150% of 980) for $649
R9 390X (140% of 980) for $549
980 for $449
R9 390 (120% of 980) for $449
R9 380X (100% of 980) for $399
970 (85% of 980) for $299
R9 380 (85% of 980) for $279
longdi
Banned
390X is on 20nm yay?
In that case, either it should match GM200 at lower wattage or beat it on par wattage.
Love they are going H2O even if it is just an Asetek oem, benchmarks have shown even a single thin 120mm rad does wonders for GPU core cooling. Hopefully since its a reference design, the cooling of VRM is well taken care off, unlike the recent NZXT/Corsair/Arctic GPU brackets.
In that case, either it should match GM200 at lower wattage or beat it on par wattage.
Love they are going H2O even if it is just an Asetek oem, benchmarks have shown even a single thin 120mm rad does wonders for GPU core cooling. Hopefully since its a reference design, the cooling of VRM is well taken care off, unlike the recent NZXT/Corsair/Arctic GPU brackets.
No.
I don't think a the GM200 will outperform 390x, it will still be using GDDR5.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Make the 390X $500 and completely dominate the PC gaming market. That is what should be done.
Mechanical Snowman
Member
Seriously looking forward to the 390X, albeit more for what it will do to the GPU landscape than as an actual purchase.
I think it will, may not be by much.
Mammoth die, water cooling block, bleeding edge HBM, that performance.
Dont think it will be 500.
I don't really see how just the full board GM200 can compete, if the rumored specs for the 390x pan out. Maybe if it is 8gb it will edge a 4gb 390x at 4k, but there will probably be a 8gb 390x by the time GM200 releases, and 8gb of HBM edge the GM200.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
Doubt gm200 will be 50% over a 980. It will probably be 25% on a good day.
Look at it this way: a 980 already draws 200 watts, or close enough. If the gm200 is architecturally the same, including efficiency (and there's nothing to suggest that it isn't) then how much more can they really do with a 250w power budget?
Unless they increase it. Which isn't likely.
Non-reference 980s can pull over 300 watts
Nope, almost certainly 28nm.
AMD, Nvidia both skipping 20nm GPUs as TSMC plans $16 billion fab investment
TSMC Won’t be Making 20nm GPUs – Investing $16 Billion in Advanced Chip Factory
After 28nm, the GPU industry will be going to FinFET 16nm, 14nm and later, 10nm.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
Yes, but not at stock. I'm aware they have insane power limits, but that only applies to overclockers.
Seriously judging nvidia if they release a gpu that draws over 250w. Even the 290x (and probably the 390x, too) follows a strict 250w limit under gaming.
Why? I feel like most of the enthusiast market buying these cards have at least 500 watt PSUs, which can handle a 300 watt draw just fine.
At what level of Overclocking? that is nearly an extra 100W. If Nvidia does this then the blower cooler used on the 980 just isn't up to par.
They will have to go back to the vapour chamber design they used on the 780ti. Even then I don't know if a design like that will stay quiet at 300W.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941-11.html
Average consumption is ~175 watts, but analysis shows spikes to around 300 watts when necessary. These are reference cards Toms tested I think.
All the "leaked" rumors floating around now are very exciting; 980 slaughterer incoming. I feel sorry for the people buying into the little mid-range turds as of now, especially those who just returned their 970s over VRAM and are doing so.
I returned my 970s and grabbed a Lightning 290X to hold me over until Fiji, exciting times. I am very worried about the 390X being limited to 4GBs of VRAM, however; a bit of a killjoy. I might just hold out until GM200 for that reason, it depends on the 390X's end-performance, pricing, and the rumors floating around on GM200's release at the time. I might even just sell my new 290X for the 390X in time for TW3, and then sell the 390X for an affordable GM200 card later in the year.
Regardless, the point is we're finally about to see an actual, substantial increase in the upper ceiling on GPU performance after like 2 years.
I'm ready for a real, worthy successor to my old 780.
I returned my 970s and grabbed a Lightning 290X to hold me over until Fiji, exciting times. I am very worried about the 390X being limited to 4GBs of VRAM, however; a bit of a killjoy. I might just hold out until GM200 for that reason, it depends on the 390X's end-performance, pricing, and the rumors floating around on GM200's release at the time. I might even just sell my new 290X for the 390X in time for TW3, and then sell the 390X for an affordable GM200 card later in the year.
Regardless, the point is we're finally about to see an actual, substantial increase in the upper ceiling on GPU performance after like 2 years.
I'm ready for a real, worthy successor to my old 780.
All the "leaked" rumors floating around now are very exciting; 980 slaughterer incoming. I feel sorry for the people buying into the little mid-range turds as of now, especially those who just returned their 970s over VRAM and are doing so.
I returned my 970s and grabbed a Lightning 290X to hold me over until Fiji, exciting times. I am very worried about the 390X being limited to 4GBs of VRAM, however; a bit of a killjoy. I might just hold out until GM200 for that reason, it depends on the 390X's end-performance, pricing, and the rumors floating around on GM200's release at the time. I might even just sell my new 290X for the 390X in time for TW3, and then sell the 390X for an affordable GM200 card later in the year.
Regardless, the point is we're finally about to see an actual increase in the upper ceiling on GPU performance after like 2 years.
I'm ready for a real, worthy successor to my old 780.
I just returned my 970 for a 290x, liking the 290x more than the 970. 4k performance is better.
The whole 980 situation is exactly what nvidia did with the 780, titan and 780ti. Fools bought the overpriced titan because it was the best. The more sensible stuck with the 780, but both were superseded 6 months later by the 780ti (as a gaming card). The 780ti then brought prices of the 770 and 780 down to more sensible levels.
The issue here isn't that new higher performing models brought down prices, rather that people keep buying into the whole premium card nonsense. Nvidia is very happy to capitalize on that...
longdi
Banned
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
that's why it is water cooled.
What games are you playing at 4k with a single 290x ?
Is their x2 support just as bad as it's always been? I remember having to fight my own hardware when I had an x2 card. Made me want to switch to nVidia it was so bad. Their support was nonexistent.
It is the same as crossfire support. It tends to be better, but like SLI and xfire support is always shaky. Some engines don't support Multiple GPUs at all and others sometimes have bugs and optimisation issues.
We don't know when we can actually see 16FF SoCs, nevermind big dies.
You could do a lot worse than get a GPU at the mature 28nm node.
Samsung (and GF) is using a different 14nm process.
Since 16FF+ is a refinement over the first version, it might be better who knows.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Much the same I'd assume, though samsung are now considered "ahead"
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...heft-give-samsung-its-14nm-manufacturing-lead
most of the 20/16/14 whatever talk is marketing anyway. Although they're naming their processes the same as Intel they're 3 years behind them technology wise.
You don't have to run everything at ultra if you're at 4k. Gaming evolve optimizes everything to 4k with a mixture of settings. Shadow of Mordor it optimizes to 1440p.
Running 4k for Grid, Crysis 3, Max Payne 3, Witcher 2, Titanfall, Mass Effect 3
exmachina64
Banned
All the "leaked" rumors floating around now are very exciting; 980 slaughterer incoming. I feel sorry for the people buying into the little mid-range turds as of now, especially those who just returned their 970s over VRAM and are doing so.
I returned my 970s and grabbed a Lightning 290X to hold me over until Fiji, exciting times. I am very worried about the 390X being limited to 4GBs of VRAM, however; a bit of a killjoy. I might just hold out until GM200 for that reason, it depends on the 390X's end-performance, pricing, and the rumors floating around on GM200's release at the time. I might even just sell my new 290X for the 390X in time for TW3, and then sell the 390X for an affordable GM200 card later in the year.
Regardless, the point is we're finally about to see an actual, substantial increase in the upper ceiling on GPU performance after like 2 years.
I'm ready for a real, worthy successor to my old 780.
You've completely drunk the Kool-Aid, haven't you?
ugh ikr... and I really want an upgrade from my GTX 670 sometime in June/July.
GM200 from NVidia probably isn't coming before then. All I can hope for is that the AMD stuff comes out, shits all over GTX 980/970, and NVidia prices drop.
Staying with NVidia personally.