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Means they are getting the yields down for 7nm in preparing for Navi. This GPU family is the last run before their next gen GPU platform.
7nm apu (gpu+cpu) confirmed. But what does 7nm navi have that 7nm vega doesn't?
Means they are getting the yields down for 7nm in preparing for Navi. This GPU family is the last run before their next gen GPU platform.
7nm apu (gpu+cpu) confirmed. But what does 7nm navi have that 7nm vega doesn't?
We don't know yet, but all we hear right now is that it is a different platform not based on GCN.
GCN has hit it's peak, thus Navi will be a whole new architecture supposedly expanding beyond that.
are u aware of any benchmark results for Jaguar vs Zen 2 ?
We don't know yet, but all we hear right now is that it is a different platform not based on GCN.
GCN has hit it's peak, thus Navi will be a whole new architecture supposedly expanding beyond that.
Latest rumors go that Navi is just polaris+.
AMD is working on next gen arch with MS and Sony and they will release it when consoles will be heading to production.
So either this means consoles are released this year and Navi is indeed new arch or consoles will be released next year and navi is just polaris+
Is this how cards are compared now, via tdp? Forget about twice the vram, over double the bandwidth over 2080, better performance especially at 4k, which I imagine is why you would buy such a card, for 4k gaming or playing at 1080p/1440p+144fps on esports titles.Near 300w tdp vs 215w (rtx280) tdp is the problem. Doesn’t bode well for Ps5 and we need to temper our expectations unless they can pull something out the hat with Navi. No mistake the Vega architecture is a disappointment for perf per watt.
Why is this not competition for the 2080FE when it beats that OC card, will be a better card than the 2080FE at 4K with less/no stuttering in games and will deliver less stutter even over the $1200 2080ti at 4K. You will also be less crippled if you want to use lots of AA and if you want to supersample on the Radeon 7 vs the competition.OK i take it back...maybe they can compete at the low end but this isn't really competition for the 2080 and where is their card to compete against the 2080 Ti? Oh yeah, probably need to wait another year for that.
Nobody but AMD knows at this point.7nm apu (gpu+cpu) confirmed. But what does 7nm navi have that 7nm vega doesn't?
7nm vega is Vega 64 die shrink with some adjustments.7nm apu (gpu+cpu) confirmed. But what does 7nm navi have that 7nm vega doesn't?
Hm, mind linking it, unless it was a conjecture from "no PS5 this year"? I hope it's not from nvidia.com/huangSaultyAboutLosingVRRWar, chuckle.Latest rumors go that Navi is just polaris+.
Hm, mind linking it, unless it was a conjecture from "no PS5 this year"? I hope it's not from nvidia.com/huangSaultyAboutLosingVRRWar, chuckle.
Is it though? I thought hbm was more power efficient and can reach insane bandwidth without high clocks. That the bandwidth can be attributed to the number of stacks and 4096 bit bus.Going with this much super fast memory (1 TB/s with a non embedded DRAM is mind boggling) and possibly raising the clock so much you needed a voltage bump would explain the higher TDP: we will need to see how they achieved the high clocks, but if they need to raise the voltage their power increases with the square of V not linearly.
It seems this design is a bit rushed and that we may see another Vega refresh (with a more optimised solution), then Navi semi custom on PS5, then Navi on Desktop...
This competes with the rtx 2080. Thats high level just not the highestI just wish AMD had something to compete with nVidia at the high levels.
Performance per watt ie power efficiency7nm apu (gpu+cpu) confirmed. But what does 7nm navi have that 7nm vega doesn't?
I only seen one site post that, and it was speculation on the writers part.Latest rumors go that Navi is just polaris+.
Roadmaps change all the time see Nvidia for example. Based on this roadmap old rumors pointed to navi being last gcn design but the latest ones claim its a full break from gcnDon't remember source now but i think it came from AMD itself when they published roadmap and Navi was just degraded to "7nm"
Of course there is and this will be more apparent as games are designed for next gen consolesIt seems like there's a use for over 8GB VRAM already
I don't have a horse in this race, and I agree 8GB is not future proof, but I'd thought I'd chime in that the R7 265 2GB I have more than handles itself against the PS4. I think DOOM was the only exception I noticed, which was tied to the heavy use of async, and the PS4 having 8 ACEs instead of 2 like the 7850/R7 265. But the Sapphire R7 265 I have can OC to 1125MHz core and blows the PS4 out of the water in games like The Witcher 3, or NBA 2k. There, I white-knighted for my old GPU.Of course there is and this will be more apparent as games are designed for next gen consoles
People claiming 8GB vram is all you'll ever need sound just as ridiculous as those claiming early this gen that 2GB vram will carry you for the rest of the gen.
People claiming 8GB vram is all you'll ever need sound just as ridiculous as those claiming early this gen that 2GB vram will carry you for the rest of the gen.
That's the thing though that card should outperform PS4 IN EVERY SINGLE game as its being bottlenecked by memory. You'll have to downgrade some settings compared to PS4I don't have a horse in this race, and I agree 8GB is not future proof, but I'd thought I'd chime in that the R7 265 2GB I have more than handles itself against the PS4. I think DOOM was the only exception I noticed, which was tied to the heavy use of async, and the PS4 having 8 ACEs instead of 2 like the 7850/R7 265. But the Sapphire R7 265 I have can OC to 1125MHz core and blows the PS4 out of the water in games like The Witcher 3, or NBA 2k. There, I white-knighted for my old GPU.
They do and they should based on specs but those cards are bottlenecked by memory in memory intensive games you'll have to lower settings that consume memory compared to PS4GTX 1060 kills current gen base console and even beats PS4 Pro with only 3 GB. GTX 1050(a 2 GB card) also offers a better gaming experience than the base consoles...
Define needThe only people claming you'll need more than 8 GB next-gen are AMD fanboys spreading FUD since it's the only advantage they have over Nvidia with Radeon VII.
16 gigs of memory? Seems like overkill for games.
In this very page we have info of a current gen game requiring 6GB
But according to your assertion, 2GB VRAM is not enough for the gen, so it's the R7 265 that should be bottlenecked. In reality, the only way the PS4 could claim a victory was via it's extra ACEs, although it had nearly double the VRAM. So maybe a handful of titles. The R7 265 could almost push 1440p at PS4 settings in The Witcher 3(~27fps). That's the typical gap a good OC gave you in any game not DOOM.That's the thing though that card should outperform PS4 IN EVERY SINGLE game
It was just posted in this page that it has the option for 4GB and 6GB textures, how is that fud? Surely you can run it at lower settings on a 4GBRE2? It doesn't require 6 GB. They bundled it with 4 GB cards.
Stop the FUD.
It was just posted in this page that it has the option for 4GB and 6GB textures, how is that fud? Surely you can run it at lower settings on a 4GB
The general consensus for this gen is you need 4GB to run games at 1080p without memory bottlenecks
Define not enough... Im not even arguing victory jBut according to your assertion, 2GB VRAM is not enough for the gen, so it's the R7 265 that should be bottlenecked. In reality, the only way the PS4 could claim a victory with via it's extra ACEs, although it had nearly double the VRAM. So maybe a handful of titles. The R7 265 could almost push 1440p at PS4 settings in The Witcher 3(~27fps). That's the typical gap a good OC gave you in any game not DOOM.
You are arguing on two fronts now: consoles and competing GPUsAn option is not a requirement. Mirror's Edge had an option for high res textures as well. It's not a requirement. GTX 1060 3GB will still look much better than base consoles on RE2 with 1050 2 GB still offering a better overall experience than base consoles.
Never seemed to happen. Settings never had to be dropped except async-heavy titles. Additionally, the GTX 1060 3GB has less RAM than the PS4, and it outperforms the PS4 Pro and can even match the Xbox One X in some cases.Define not enough... Im not even arguing victory j
My argument is that 2GB is not enough because you will run into memory bottle necks forcing you to downgrade some settings
Textures, there have been documented cases were ps4 had better textures.Never seemed to happen. Settings never had to be dropped except async-heavy titles. Additionally, the GTX 1060 3GB has less RAM than the PS4, and it outperforms the PS4 Pro and can even match the Xbox One X in some cases.
Anyway, I'll let you have the last word. I just wanted to comment that the R7 265 2GB almost always beats a PS4, and 2GB VRAM was never a problem.
Why is this a bad thing? options i mean. If anything the extra ram makes it more future proof for 4k gaming, if i was in the market for one of these i would choose the VII over the 2080
But its the old arch with even less CUs its impressive for what it is, i don't think AMD intended to retake the performance crown with this product. Everybody knew 7nm Vega was coming and it performed as expected i think? Nobody was expecting miracles from a old ass arc
Its probably a repurposed workstation chip and it also helps them get a grip of the new process with a familiar arch.
Its not clear... rumors used to say it was but the latest rumors now claim Navi to be post gcn
Well, just to add to this, I played the demo a bit but I sucked and didn't progress too much before my time expired. This was my GPU/VRAM usage with max settings (even CA etc) on a GTX1080. In the menu it said I would need 12GB+ and it could result in errors but in the end it didn't need that much though it came close enough to 8GB. Of course the full game or different areas could be a whole different deal.It was discussed a couple pages back but people are reporting the Resident Evil 2 demo can require over 8GB VRAM in 1080p as it has a setting for 8GB textures alone or something along those lines. Taking that down to the 4GB textures setting makes the game use about 6GB total so we can assume it would need about 10GB at least in max settings, possibly more to avoid sturrering in the more complex areas of the full game. It seems like there's a use for over 8GB VRAM already and not in the far future even if last-gen benchmarks like GTAV don't *jab*. Of course maybe this is a case of the game using as much as it has available and it's not actually necessary for it though there's no indication for it yet but I guess we'll see with more extensive testing, maybe from DF (probably not for the demo but the full game, yeah?).
Depends of your target/monitorAs for options...I mean, I guess? But why would I pick it if it only matches the 2080 for the same price, when the 2080 uses less power and has added features like DLSS and RTX?
Good to know thanks for the infoLooks like the config was misreported, 64 ROPs rather than 128. I don't know why this spread so wide when MI50 which this is based on had 64, but here we are. Good ol'e GCN limits.
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...-viis-core-configuration-has-been-misreported
Good to know thanks for the info
Im relieved actually, thought 128ROP config was needed to drive 1TB/s bandwith
It will be used.....You don't buy a card just for today. You buy it so it's futureproof, especially if you spend in excess of $500.00.....16 gigs of memory? Seems like overkill for games.
how about voxel based global illumination? The current consoles nearly had the specs for that, and that looks killer. If the high voxel optimizations of euclideon or atomontage can help with reflections too it would basically offer similar visual quality at a fraction of the performance cost.That star wars ray tracing demo runs at 11 fps! on 1080 ti and 60fps on 2080 ti. Vega 7 isn't that much more powerful than 1080 ti.
I wouldn't doubt for a second telling you that even consoles will be capable of some sort of significantly downgraded simplified version of raytracing next gen , so of course this vega 7 could even do same IQ raytracing we see in BF5, but at what crappy framerate? 11 fps like on 1080 ti won't cut it.
If Navi really is another GCN card, then Nvidia will easily have the performance lead once more.
Given that AMD doesn't use any specialized cores in their GPUs like NV does, they still have quite a space to increase the die size/core count. There was a rumored Vega 20 with 6144 cores/21TF of computing power being tested. They could even go as far as 8192 core version at almost 30TF and call it a day. Sadly that HBM memory isn't cheap, to say the least :/
GCN is limited to 64 ROPs and 4096 cores.Given that AMD doesn't use any specialized cores in their GPUs like NV does, they still have quite a space to increase the die size/core count. There was a rumored Vega 20 with 6144 cores/21TF of computing power being tested. They could even go as far as 8192 core version at almost 30TF and call it a day. Sadly that HBM memory isn't cheap, to say the least :/
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-navi-gpu-release-date-performance
According to them, 2019 Navi will only be low to mid range with high end Navi coming 2020. And supposedly still use GCN. If true, that would really be a bummer. Nvidia is expected to release Ampere in 2020 on 7nm as well. If Navi really is another GCN card, then Nvidia will easily have the performance lead once more.
Do you do a lot of content creation? Because that's where the 16GB of HBM2 comes in handy. The Radeon VII is more of a 'prosumer' card than a gamer card, imo.Is selling my 1080 and getting this instead a crazy thing to do? I'm just getting tired of Nvidia and want to move away from them.
Navi being based on GCN is not good. That will just let Nvidia get ahead of AMD even more.
Definitely seems like more of a prosumer card, but on the other hand, this will probably be their best performing card for the next year.Do you do a lot of content creation? Because that's where the 16GB of HBM2 comes in handy. The Radeon VII is more of a 'prosumer' card than a gamer card, imo.
wait for reviews and see how nvidia responds.Is selling my 1080 and getting this instead a crazy thing to do? I'm just getting tired of Nvidia and want to move away from them.
Premature move. 1080 is a stellar cardIs selling my 1080 and getting this instead a crazy thing to do? I'm just getting tired of Nvidia and want to move away from them.
It depends on your priorities. If you are in "f*ck off nVidia" camp and have patience to wait for Q3 launch, why not.Is selling my 1080 and getting this instead a crazy thing to do? I'm just getting tired of Nvidia and want to move away from them.