TOAO_Cyrus said:And power supply.
The PS3 does not have any PSU. The Cell is so powerful that it produces enough electricity to cover the console's needs. Out of thin air.
TOAO_Cyrus said:And power supply.
meppi said:Jesus, you can't take a joke?
Shush now, the excess is our cut. They will never notice...Raist said:Actually there's $1,032,270,512 in that image.
actually you would be surprised what these large multinational companies pay for in "bulk pricing"thuway said:What most people don't realize also is that Sony buys in massive bulk and gets huge discounts on all products. Its hard to truly nail down what true cost is.
I've read this as well.Raist said:The PS3 does not have any PSU. The Cell is so powerful that it produces enough electricity to cover the console's needs. Out of thin air.
Sony themselves have said they're still losing money on the hardware... it's really just a question of how much.nib95 said:Didn't Sony themselves say they'd cut production costs by 70%? Wouldn't that make this analyst wrong? Not the first to be wrong by a long shot lol.
Yup, it's why the air going out is so hotThe Steve said:I've read this as well.
Clinton514 said:You actually believe in an SDF? :lol
thuway said:Seriously that just sounded stupid as hell. People don't go around waving SDF flags. I may participate in mostly Sony threads but no one is acting like the 360 sucks. Your just promoting console propaganda and stpidity. GTFO.
WTFing said:
1 billion for the RROD. And every month you and your friends pay for this. So awesome!
:lol :lol :lol
And I don't care too, and I'll add that I don't care if said companies are healty or not. Today I own a sony console, tomorrow maybe not, yesterday I was playing with the 360 before that with the xbox1. before that I was playing with every snes model, sega, nec and ... I'm not married to any company man. I just want to put a game in the console I own and play with a reliable product. The 360 is not, and you know this.dejay said:...
Honestly, I don't give a fuck which console sells more, as long as the companies stay healthy enough to keep investing and competing to provide compelling entertainment for gamers.
WTFing said:And I don't care too, and I'll add that I don't care if said companies are healty or not. Today I own a sony console, tomorrow maybe not, yesterday I was playing with the 360 before that with the xbox1. before that I was playing with every snes model, sega, nec and ... I'm not married to any company man. I just want to put a game in the console I own and play with a reliable product. The 360 is not, and you know this.
Shocking! I never owned a PS2.
Chill.
Taurus said:No, they are not. Kaz Hirai himself told this in an interview.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6802297.ece
Mr Hirai admitted that Sony already loses money on each console it sells. If youre just talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is yes, we do lose money on every one. That makes good headlines, but I dont actually know that thats the true nature of the business that were all in, whether its PlayStation, Xbox or the Wii.
Thanks for the link Psychotext!
gregor7777 said:Probably should be posted on every page of this thread, however long it lasts.
I'm sick of reading fud, that's all.gregor7777 said:I think you care more than anyone in this thread. :lol
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I'd have thought that had a fairly simple solution.WTFing said:Obviously I care when someone says that I'm a console warrior, I don't like that :lol
WTFing said:Obviously I care when someone says that I'm a console warrior, I don't like that :lol
Post histories don't lie, but it's even funnier when it comes from the same thread.WTFing said:duk said::lol :lol :lol
but free online mp!!
1 billion for the RROD. And every month you and your friends pay for this. So awesome!
:lol :lol :lol
Ignore esc?Psychotext said:I'd have thought that had a fairly simple solution.
No, stop acting like one.WTFing said:Ignore esc?
Yes please do, my time here will be so much more satisfying knowing I've annoyed the idiots of GAF.WTFing said:Ignore esc?
WTFing said:And I don't care too, and I'll add that I don't care if said companies are healty or not. Today I own a sony console, tomorrow maybe not, yesterday I was playing with the 360 before that with the xbox1. before that I was playing with every snes model, sega, nec and ... I'm not married to any company man. I just want to put a game in the console I own and play with a reliable product. The 360 is not, and you know this.
Shocking! I never owned a PS2.
Chill.
Taurus said:No, they are not. Kaz Hirai himself told this in an interview.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6802297.ece
Thanks for the link Psychotext!
duk said:im amazed there are so many Sony BOM experts on GAF
thuway said:http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/08/20/ps3_losses/
I don't how true this is. With Sony saying they reduced the cost of the PS3 by 70%. Any wild guesses?
Sure, I'm less subtle than you, I need some lessons :lol jkPsychotext said:No, stop acting like one.
I'm out.Raist said:BACK OFF XBOT
Clueless.WTFing said:Sure, I'm less subtle than you, I need some lessons :lol jk
As I recall from the early PSP days, someone said that since Sony buys many parts from themselves, they pay themselves above and below market value and move their profit/loss numbers around on a whim as it suits them. Or at least, that's what they did under Kutaragi.dolemite said:Well, at the moment it's all bullshit and speculations. Sony's second quarter statement is what matters.
I always come into threads like this reading along waiting for that one post thats gonna make me stop reading the thread. Congrats.diddlyD said:using price watch
core i7 3.2 ghz = $870 (comparable cpu to cell)
80gb notebook HD = $25
geforce 7800 = $45
512mb ram = $31
case = $50
blu-ray drive = 75$
cost of ps3 slim to manufacture = $1096. ouch!
but really if you take into account the cell doesn't cost more than 100 bucks by now, you come away with a cost of $326 using off the shelf retail prices. maybe sony shops at best buy, that would probably push it up to $400 :lol
OldJadedGamer said:No one reads threads, you should know that.
Looks like you've done one hell of a job.thuway said:This thread's intention is to clear up the FUD not to propagate it.
highluxury said:yay, guesstimates. Analysts are getting more and more awesome.
Technically they're already using the "lesser" parts by using only 7 of the 8 SPUs on the die. It means that they can have a much better yield.Mindlog said:Question to Hardware GAF:
How are console chip yields dealt with? Any given chip is produced and the wafer is tested. Those that aren't passed can occasionally be sold as a 'lesser' part. Can't really do that with a console... so what happens?
Mindlog said:In a see of bubbling fandom, that is the foam.
Question to Hardware GAF:
How are console chip yields dealt with? Any given chip is produced and the wafer is tested. Those that aren't passed can occasionally be sold as a 'lesser' part. Can't really do that with a console... so what happens?
Psychotext said:Technically they're already using the "lesser" parts by using only 7 of the 8 SPUs on the die. It means that they can have a much better yield.
I guess any with 6 get binned. I don't know of any commercial variants of the CELL that use 6 PPUs.
Mindlog said:That's what I almost remembered :] tyvm
I figure there are quite a few various console components that could get binned, but for who? Then again that probably goes for a lot of electronic products.
The blades use the full 8.gregor7777 said:How many SPUs do they require for those IBM blade servers?
LuCkymoON said:actually you would be surprised what these large multinational companies pay for in "bulk pricing"
its not that big of a discount you may think it is.
percephone said:Exactly, even if you buy in massive quantities. The suppliers won't sell bellow his cost.