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Pureauthor said:
I had a used PS2 snatched out of my hands back when I worked at Gamestop :lol
(and yes, at gamestop we either kept systems locked behind a glass case, or in a back room)
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Analysts: PlayStation 3, Wii Shortages Will Last for Months
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I had a used PS2 snatched out of my hands back when I worked at Gamestop :lol
(and yes, at gamestop we either kept systems locked behind a glass case, or in a back room)
fortified_concept
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J-Rzez said:
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head with that post.
And noone is generalizing btw. Every single one of the people who are "reporting" about PS3s "collecting dust" are either the usual suspects we know and dislike or random xbox and nintendo fans.
BenjaminBirdie
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fortified_concept said:
Oh, fortified_concept. I'm so glad I haven't seen a PS3 in the wild. I could have Brian Williams report it to you directly on the Nightly News, with live footage of me holding my birth certificate next to the three or four PS3s I'd seen at some Gamestop, and you'd still accuse me of being an Xbot, being an Oan spy, or both in the same sentence.
What a load. Your saying that every single person who has stated that they have seen PS3's in the wild, are either disliked here at GAF, or they have to be rabid Nintendo/Xbox fanboys.fortified_concept said:
Perhaps its contributing to a conversation, or even telling people what they saw period.
It would seem that what we really have going on here is that innocent commets are bieng made about the availability abof the PS3 from those who thought they could contribute to the conversation, and certain members are on the defensive, and see an attack in anything.
I could see your argument about fanboys, and pass it off as just bieng extreme, but throwing in the "dislike" comment just shows rabid fanboyism on your part.
Pot calling the PS3 black?
Beer Monkey
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Edit: Never mind, I misunderstood something or other.
Amir0x said:
Anecdotal evidence isn't entirely useless if taken into context of what is being discussed. There's always the temptation of course to dismiss anecdotal information that causes cognitive dissonance, as on a psychological level its easier to dismiss what may appear to be a negative piece of information than to take it into advisement.
I haven't seen a PS3 sitting in stores myself and I agree a lot of the anecdotal information may be biased, but a lot of on the ground reports to tend to indicate supply is up, but there is SOME evidence demand isn't catching up to it. This could simply be a flaw in the way information is being conveyed in the market to consumers, or many consumers have simply given up for now which is ultimately not a bad thing for Sony if they come back in 2007 (this is a point I've made earlier).
But the point remains that there's these news, and we have Ebay, which for better or worse, is an indicator of market demand telling us how demand side PS3 hasn't seem to be very responsive to an uptick in supply and restocks are taking a long time to sell out. So yeah, sales are brisk, but the speed of sell outs does tell us about demand as well. If you are focused on December NPDs and or are worried about PS3's performance it can be spun as good news or bad news, but burying these facts in a verbal diarrhea of indignance over factional taunts and doomsaying which you yourself participate it when you feel like it, just smacks of hypocrisy.
The December and January numbers will give us the best picture. How about we wait for that before we have meltdowns.
Norse
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i bought my ps3 today. The gamestop guy said they had 4 units since tuesday. The store is the roseville, MN store in the rosemont commons shpping mall. Give them a call.
Outside of this one time, most often I have seen 3 or so ps3's while at target or bestbuy. Both times it was within 2 hrs of the store opening and the system didnt last long. So, seeing them in the wild is one thing...saying they are collecting dust seems to be tacked on by those sony fans insulted that we actually have seen a ps3 in stores.
Rememebr that there will be a min of 25 60 gig ps3's per best buy store this sunday. Tickets will be handed out 1 hr before opening. Hurry, we wouldnt want any dust to collect on these nice new boxes.
Outside of this one time, most often I have seen 3 or so ps3's while at target or bestbuy. Both times it was within 2 hrs of the store opening and the system didnt last long. So, seeing them in the wild is one thing...saying they are collecting dust seems to be tacked on by those sony fans insulted that we actually have seen a ps3 in stores.
Rememebr that there will be a min of 25 60 gig ps3's per best buy store this sunday. Tickets will be handed out 1 hr before opening. Hurry, we wouldnt want any dust to collect on these nice new boxes.
Deku said:
I'm not worried about its performance at all. It will sell what it ships in December. PS3's impending doom will be determined once holiday season is over, and little fantards the world round settle into their homes and stop trying so hard.
The only thing I am saying is it's pointless to use anecdotal evidence to try to make a statement one way or the other about demand, and that's independent of any doomsaying.
Deku said:
So in conclusion, just like I said, there's no use in any of this posturing until we get numbers. Thus, anecdotal evidence is pointless and leads to nothing. EVEN in the context of the discussion. So, if you're looking for a meltdown, you're probably better off trying to find someone who doesn't think PS3 is doomed.
nintendorly
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I am indeed a big Nintedno fan. I like my X360, but I wouldn't call myself a XBOX fan.
And yes, I do hate Sony--but for different reasons than the fact that I'm a Nintendo fan.
Even so, I'm not lying at all when I say my Target had PS3s sitting around for two hours unsold.
I know I know I know how this forum (or at least the mods) feel about anecdotal evidence...
But I was at Target today. Picked up Final Fantasy III. I remembered this thread and decided to ask the clerk...
"Do you have any PS3s?"
He said they did, the 60 gig version.
Later I asked if they had any Wiis (I already have one), and they said they didn't. They received a new shipment in yesterday but sold out.
This was in Charleston.
But I was at Target today. Picked up Final Fantasy III. I remembered this thread and decided to ask the clerk...
"Do you have any PS3s?"
He said they did, the 60 gig version.
Later I asked if they had any Wiis (I already have one), and they said they didn't. They received a new shipment in yesterday but sold out.
This was in Charleston.
Doogington
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Plenty of PS3s in stock at the K-Mart in Big Bear. I've seen more PS3s than I've seen classic controllers.
There was a huge line at my local Best Buy this morning (Friday Dec 29/06) for the Wii. The story was all over the local news at 5:30AM this morning, with 45 people already waiting in line with tents and everything. The newscasters interviewed several people in the line and it was a great promotional piece for Nintendo.
Anyway, I have to say that I'm surprised that the Wii still has so much buzz that it is still causing people to wait overnight for it several days after Christmas. I thought that Christmas would be the end of the lines for each new shipment since no one needs to give gifts any longer. It is starting to look as though the Wii will still carry much of its buzz into the first couple months of 2007 at the least.
Anyway, I have to say that I'm surprised that the Wii still has so much buzz that it is still causing people to wait overnight for it several days after Christmas. I thought that Christmas would be the end of the lines for each new shipment since no one needs to give gifts any longer. It is starting to look as though the Wii will still carry much of its buzz into the first couple months of 2007 at the least.
LittleTokyo
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Well here's my report on the situation. I've seen two 60GB PS3s in the wild, at Best Buy and K-mart respectively, and one 20GB PS3 in the wild at Target. All three were on the shelf, ready to be sold to any passerbyer. I have not yet seen a Wii anywhere.
Going on a complete hunch this is what I personally make of it. The Wii has a high demand, but I'm betting Nintendo didn't meet the shipment numbers they wanted. Places like Target and Walmart around here were getting a pathetic amount of Wii's in while Best Buy was the only store with a regular shipment (they had 12 each sunday, which still seems pretty low, to me anyways...). So my verdict on Wii is that it's popular, but just how popular is yet to be seen because I think supply has been an issue.
As for PS3, it's rare to see a console this close to a systems launch readily available for purchase. I'd expect there could be a variety of reasons though, and first and foremost I point to the price. Whether or not the PS3 is a "good deal" for what's in the box, it's still a shit ton of money for most consumers. I don't think people are willing to shell out 500-600 dollars for a console simply because it's there, on the shelf, waiting to be sold. I personally plan to get a PS3 for FFXIII alone, but like a lot of other consumers, plan on waiting til the damn thing is cheaper. I have next to no interest in blue ray, and don't even foresee myself with an HDTV for at least two more years. Besides price, the PS3 is getting a lot of bad press from mainstream media, and ebay prices are down, so scalpers would have no interest in it anymore.
Of course, this could mean that Sony shipped a lot more than we expect, but my hunch says they didn't.
Going on a complete hunch this is what I personally make of it. The Wii has a high demand, but I'm betting Nintendo didn't meet the shipment numbers they wanted. Places like Target and Walmart around here were getting a pathetic amount of Wii's in while Best Buy was the only store with a regular shipment (they had 12 each sunday, which still seems pretty low, to me anyways...). So my verdict on Wii is that it's popular, but just how popular is yet to be seen because I think supply has been an issue.
As for PS3, it's rare to see a console this close to a systems launch readily available for purchase. I'd expect there could be a variety of reasons though, and first and foremost I point to the price. Whether or not the PS3 is a "good deal" for what's in the box, it's still a shit ton of money for most consumers. I don't think people are willing to shell out 500-600 dollars for a console simply because it's there, on the shelf, waiting to be sold. I personally plan to get a PS3 for FFXIII alone, but like a lot of other consumers, plan on waiting til the damn thing is cheaper. I have next to no interest in blue ray, and don't even foresee myself with an HDTV for at least two more years. Besides price, the PS3 is getting a lot of bad press from mainstream media, and ebay prices are down, so scalpers would have no interest in it anymore.
Of course, this could mean that Sony shipped a lot more than we expect, but my hunch says they didn't.
Just got back from Best Buy. There was a stack of 20 60GB PS3s. I talked to one of the clerks. He said the PS3 hasn't been selling for the last week. He said there was a long line for the Wii for their last shipment (I suppose the 29th).
Sony must be outshipping Nintendo 3-to-1 at this point.
Sony must be outshipping Nintendo 3-to-1 at this point.
Smiles and Cries
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Yamauchi said:
what...? huh Sony outshipping?
Alcibiades
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Do we have confirmed shipment numbers from Nintendo?Mrbob said:
Seems they still shipped more than Sony since they launched...
krypt0nian
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So I hit my Best But at lunchtime and saw that they had 12 or so of their Sunday shipment of 60 on a display near the security guy at the front of the store. ...which was painful as I left my BB gift cards at home.
Hopefully they are there tomorrow.
Hopefully they are there tomorrow.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
The Wii shortage is rediculous.
goldenpp72
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If it helps, ive never seen a ps3 or wii on store shelves, and in the past week ive been in arizona, california, mass and michigan.
cank stoochie
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i think some fanboys need to realize maybe nintendo isnt exactly shipping as much as they should. and not because of some insanely high demand.
it is understandable, they to ship in asia, europe and US, and there is still high demand in all these territories so maybe they struggling a bit to meet demand
it is understandable, they to ship in asia, europe and US, and there is still high demand in all these territories so maybe they struggling a bit to meet demand
Alcibiades
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they are struggling to meet demand, but even if they got 4 million into the US alone they would be facing shipping problems...cank stoochie said:
the demand is much larger than 6 million worldwide at the current pricepoint (they'll ship that many by the end of March hopefully)...
Damn I want a Wii and I have yet to find one, since I live in Costa Rica and my only way to get one is to find someone coming to Costa Rica soon and bringing me one. I have a couple of relatives coming from there, but it's so damn impossible to find one @_@
Why is there no Wii availability thread? D:
Why is there no Wii availability thread? D:
mashoutposse
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Alcibiades said:
:lol OK.
Anyway, no luck finding a Wii here in NYC.
I love how people are trying to down play the demand for the Wii...
People still can't accept that old tech might be in demand tech!:lol
Nintendo might have undershipped (I personally doubt it)...even so I highly doubt it's by some enormous quantity...I think their well over 3.5m shipped by now WW...and for less then 2 months since launch that's tremendous figure...MS and Sony could only wish to have such a launch shipment in less then 2 months WW.
Personally and this is from my own personal experience since the Wii launched...it's truly penetrated the mainstream consumer and has managed to get every buzz possible from the media to the casual on the street...everyone is buzzing about the Wii...
People still can't accept that old tech might be in demand tech!:lol
Nintendo might have undershipped (I personally doubt it)...even so I highly doubt it's by some enormous quantity...I think their well over 3.5m shipped by now WW...and for less then 2 months since launch that's tremendous figure...MS and Sony could only wish to have such a launch shipment in less then 2 months WW.
Personally and this is from my own personal experience since the Wii launched...it's truly penetrated the mainstream consumer and has managed to get every buzz possible from the media to the casual on the street...everyone is buzzing about the Wii...
I thought nintendo probably undershipped in december, but all the recent estimates seem to indicate that they didn't and that's pretty shocking.
I also thought sony probably shipped way more than expected, but that appears to be false as well..
at least according to the info in this thread
Obviously, Those estimates are for both NOV and DEC.. And I guess it just depends on how accurate those estimates are but it would put nintendo at over 1 million wii's in NA this month. That's pretty impressive when you consider that people are apparently still lining up. The ps3 numbers are just the opposite.
NPD will resolve everything i guess.
I also thought sony probably shipped way more than expected, but that appears to be false as well..
at least according to the info in this thread
Obviously, Those estimates are for both NOV and DEC.. And I guess it just depends on how accurate those estimates are but it would put nintendo at over 1 million wii's in NA this month. That's pretty impressive when you consider that people are apparently still lining up. The ps3 numbers are just the opposite.
NPD will resolve everything i guess.
Yeah, I've heard people throwing up their arms that Nintendo undershipped their console, but the actual published sales numbers we have already seem to greatly contradict this idea.Krowley said:
North America - close to 2 million (according to CNBC report, to be validated later by NPD numbers)
Japan - 800,000+ (1 million in year-end sales being a strong likelihood)
Europe - 325,000+ (couldn't find more than Euro launch numbers, but that's two days of sales, so...)
So yeah, they have sold 3 million AT LEAST, putting them within reach of that 4 million estimate they released, and putting them easily within reach of their "6 million by March" goal....
... but yeah, they somehow undershipped when they're meeting all their sales goals.
TekunoRobby
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NeoForte swung by the Best Buy in Hialeah (Miami, FL) and saw ~14 PS3s sitting on the store shelves. I asked him to upload the cam pic he took to this thread.
I managed to see a few PS3s and Wiis earlier today in Brandon, FL among the local stores (Best Buy, EB, Target).
I managed to see a few PS3s and Wiis earlier today in Brandon, FL among the local stores (Best Buy, EB, Target).
Somebody returned a PS3 to the store a couple days ago (apparently right about when the store opened). Dunno if it was a gift somebody else had already got, a burned scalper, or whatever. It's first-come, first-serve for the thing, and we're getting a lot of traffic. When the ASM comes in, they decide to put a sign on it that says "$599.99 Last one! Buy me!" and it sits there for the next three hours until I come in. A woman calls for it, and she knows she may not get it because it's first-come, first-serve. There's another guy in the store asking if we had it in stock. I told him we did... and an hour after the lady calls, she finally comes in to buy it.
iTrackr has these percentages for national availability.
Wii: 4%
PS3 60GB: 40%
PS3 20GB: 9%
X360: 79%
NDS: 4%
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=4
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=5
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=6
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=1
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=17
I know the site doesn't track all retailers, but it is still an interesting stat.
edit: found 360 and separate PS3 SKUs
Wii: 4%
PS3 60GB: 40%
PS3 20GB: 9%
X360: 79%
NDS: 4%
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=4
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=5
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=6
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=1
http://www.itrackr.com/details.aspx?pid=17
I know the site doesn't track all retailers, but it is still an interesting stat.
edit: found 360 and separate PS3 SKUs