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[buhdeh]

Most apps never make it and you give one example? LOL ok then.

Keep sipping the cool aid.

Guy is like using opposite arguments for the Mac and iPhone, lmao.

iPhone: has more marketshare so therefore better apps and no one cares about android!!!
Mac: market share doesn't matter, it makes more money!!!!!!!!! where are my games like Dota 2, Borderlands 2, Skyrim, etc. Who cares?! IT MAKES MORE MONEY!

 

[Cipherr]

Quality apps are still missing on Android tablets, aren't they? Or did Flipboard finally port the tablet layout over?

Of course there are some. But you are going to have to nigh specifically refer to tablets and conveniently leave phones out. Furthermore your probably going to want to drill even further down on certain 'types' of apps. And even then, the use of 'Most apps' will have to be used with some pretty elastic liberties. Truth of the matter is, for the most part, you can expect most apps to cover both the Play Store and the App store these days. And its been doing nothing but getting better.

 

[Spinluck]

Guy is like using opposite arguments for the Mac and iPhone, lmao.

iPhone: has more marketshare so therefore better apps and no one cares about android!!!
Mac: market share doesn't matter, it makes more money!!!!!!!!! where are my games like Dota 2, Borderlands 2, Skyrim, etc. Who cares?! IT MAKES MORE MONEY!

It's called, using points only convenient to your arguments.

 

[coldfoot]

Millions and millions people can live with Infinity Blade.

Billions of people can live without a smartphone just fine, they in fact do this every day.
Since you want more examples, can you tell me where the Android section on this website, which contains many quality iOS games, is?
http://dlgames.square-enix.com/na/

 

[The Faceless Master]

LOL, most apps NEVER make it to Android, especially games. Where is your Infinity Blade Android? You can also count the number of times the android app is better by hand. I'm talking about real functional differences not someone's aesthetic tastes of whether buttons should be round or shaded. When you focus on the functionality and performance of apps, iOS is the clear winner.

Internet Relay Chat.

 

[coldfoot]

Internet Relay Chat.

That's due to iOS restrictions in background apps. That's like criticizing iOS for not being able to serve websites from it.
Besides I'd wager that the sort of people who need to access IRC from their smartphones aren't the kind of people who are likely to pay for apps.

 

[maharg]

Besides I'd wager that the sort of people who need to access IRC from their smartphones aren't the kind of people who are likely to pay for apps.

Wat.

 

[buhdeh]

Facebook Messenger on Android has integration with SMS and also received the new UI before iOS.

But let me guess, SMS is useless and nobody wants it.

 

[maharg]

Facebook Messenger on Android has integration with SMS and also received the new UI before iOS.

But let me guess, SMS is useless and nobody wants it.

No, it's worse than that. The only people who still use SMS are obviously pirates.

 

[coldfoot]

Wat.

IRC is very popular for sharing copyright protected files.
Why else would you really use it in the days of stuff like Whatsapp and iMessage? Whatsapp has tens of millions of downloads compared to less than 400K worldwide IRC users.

 

[The Faceless Master]

That's due to iOS restrictions in background apps. That's like criticizing iOS for not being able to serve websites from it.
Besides I'd wager that the sort of people who need to access IRC from their smartphones aren't the kind of people who are likely to pay for apps.

http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.001.jpg

your shoulders must be sore.

IRC is very popular for sharing copyright protected files.
Why else would you really use it in the days of stuff like Whatsapp and iMessage? Whatsapp has tens of millions of downloads compared to less than 400K worldwide IRC users.

IRC for ... what? maybe a decade ago lol...

I have Whatsapp, like 5 people i know use it. way less than IRC. and it's not even comparable in functionality. it's like saying "why use Whatsapp, billions of people have email!"

 

[saunderez]

IRC is very popular for sharing copyright protected files.
Why else would you really use it in the days of stuff like Whatsapp and iMessage? Whatsapp has tens of millions of downloads compared to less than 400K worldwide IRC users.

Have you ever used IRC? I'm asking because it's plainly obvious to me Whatsapp and iMessage do not perform the same function and anyone who has used IRC would realise that.

 

[coldfoot]

No, it's worse than that. The only people who still use SMS are obviously pirates.

What's the benefit of using SMS over mobile facebook? If you're using mobile facebook, you already have a smartphone?
Besides, the facebook app of iOS is so much faster and smoother than Android's, and it has chat built in.

 

[coldfoot]

Have you ever used IRC? I'm asking because it's plainly obvious to me Whatsapp and iMessage do not perform the same function and anyone who has used IRC would realise that.

Yeah when I was a teenage kid and wanted to be in an online keyboard yelling match with everyone...
I have provided the graph, it's obvious that most people don't care about IRC these days.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Yeah when I was a teenage kid and wanted to be in an online keyboard yelling match with everyone...
I have provided the graph, it's obvious that most people don't care about IRC these days.

that dip? the pirates left when filesharing websites became popular, now people just ... chat instead. HUGE decline in DCC bot population.

 

[whatsinaname]

That's due to iOS restrictions in background apps. That's like criticizing iOS for not being able to serve websites from it.
Besides I'd wager that the sort of people who need to access IRC from their smartphones aren't the kind of people who are likely to pay for apps.

[ig]http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.001.jpg[/img]

iOS doesn't have true multi-tasking so you can't criticise it for lack of multi-tasking? What sense does that make?

(Though I do think the iOS implementation of multi-tasking might be the better way to go till battery technology improves.)

 

[Spinluck]

Billions of people can live without a smartphone just fine, they in fact do this every day.
Since you want more examples, can you tell me where the Android section on this website, which contains many quality iOS games, is?
http://dlgames.square-enix.com/na/

Not the point. We are addressing people who have, want, or work with- smartphones. You are saying Infinity Blade is a killer app, and yes for some it may be, I'm not knocking people who game on iOS. Just saying it isn't something that you'll hear about cellphone reviews. "The Galaxy S3 or the HTC One X, doesn't have access to Square ports".

I think some of those games are awesome, but do you really think it's something the mass market really looks at?

As long as Android gets every Rovio game or most major gaming apps it won't matter. I'm not talking about games, I'm talking about actual features that and apps that make iOS superior. Not games that can Android users who are interested in them will just emulate.

Like something Android users are actually missing out on, you just showed me a list of games I've played almost 2 decades ago, and a DS game from some years ago...

 

[Schlep]

Yeah when I was a teenage kid and wanted to be in an online keyboard yelling match with everyone...
I have provided the graph, it's obvious that most people don't care about IRC these days.

Still plenty of people on IRC. I have ZNC installed on my Ubuntu box, and was able to use Rooms with push notifications. I still prefer AndChat, but wouldn't mind having to go back.

 

[coldfoot]

iOS doesn't have true multi-tasking so you can't criticise it for lack of multi-tasking? What sense does that make?

(Though I do think the iOS implementation of multi-tasking might be the better way to go till battery technology improves.)

So you think the iOS multitasking implementation is better due to its power efficient nature, but still think it's a big issue that a service with only 400K people is using isn't possible on it?

Gonna side with iOS on this issue. Battery life for hundreds of millions of people is more important than 400k IRC users worldwide. That's why Android needs 3000 mAh batteries to match or narrowly beat an iPhone with less than half that battery. That's why Microsoft chose the iOS approach in their own mobile OS.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Still plenty of people on IRC. I have ZNC installed on my Ubuntu box, and was able to use Rooms with push notifications. I still prefer AndChat, but wouldn't mind having to go back.

i like AndChat so much i paid for the donate version!

 

[whatsinaname]

So you think the iOS multitasking implementation is better due to its power efficient nature, but still think it's a big issue that a service with only 400K people is using isn't possible on it?

Gonna side with iOS on this issue. Battery life for hundreds of millions of people is more important than 400k IRC users worldwide. That's why Android needs 3000 mAh batteries to match or narrowly beat an iPhone with less than half that battery. That's why Microsoft chose the iOS approach in their own mobile OS.

No, I was pointing out the complete lack of logic in that argument where you said one shouldn't criticise a lack of a feature because of a lack of a feature.

 

[coldfoot]

I think some of those games are awesome, but do you really think it's something the mass market really looks at?

As long as Android gets every Rovio game or most major gaming apps it won't matter

What is mass market or a "major gaming app?"
Infinity Blade's 5 million+ paid downloads generating $20M aren't enough to call it major or mass market? Is there ANY software on Android that can net $20M?

So for droid fans, 400K IRC users WORLDWIDE is plenty of users, but Infinity Blade with 5 million downloads isn't a major gaming app. Good to know.

 

[sleeping_dragon]

Get back to me when iOS can play mkv avi n dvx natively.

 

[maharg]

IRC is very popular for sharing copyright protected files.
Why else would you really use it in the days of stuff like Whatsapp and iMessage? Whatsapp has tens of millions of downloads compared to less than 400K worldwide IRC users.

IRC was very popular for sharing copyright protected files in 1999.

 

[buhdeh]

Why does anyone bother with him? He gives these definitive statements like "PEOPLE only care about iOS and so every app on there is inherently better and will get releases first" and when people provide multiple examples of the contrary, it's all "ohh that feature sux" or "no one uses that". Seriously, everything coldfoot says is a twist of logic to suit his argument.

The fact that he thinks people still use IRC for piracy is hilarious.

 

[coldfoot]

Get back to me when iOS can play mkv avi n dvx natively.

I use AirAV, which I got for a dollar in the app store and can also stream from network shares and DLNA servers. A dollar isn't much money to be able to watch all that pirated content, is it?

 

[BPRD]

HEY I THINK WP8 IS A SERIOUS CONTENDER HERE, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE MUCH MORE DISCUSSED.

wp7 trophy owner here

 

[maharg]

Everyone who does things I don't do is a dirty dirty pirate.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Firestorm]

I would honestly not be surprised if 90% of the people in the channel I frequent most - especially the younger ones - don't even know that the DCC function existed.

 

[coldfoot]

Fixed it for you.

How would you explain the discrepancy between how much developers make from iOS vs. Android where Android devices outnumber iOS 3 to 1 in market share, but iOS app developers' revenues are more than 5x the revenues of Android app developers?

 

[VanWinkle]

What's the benefit of using SMS over mobile facebook? If you're using mobile facebook, you already have a smartphone?
Besides, the facebook app of iOS is so much faster and smoother than Android's, and it has chat built in.

Facebook on iOS being a native app, I do agree that it's probably the better app, but testing it on my iPhone 4 vs my S3, same speed, with S3 being more fluid. I know this probably isn't the case when it's the S3 vs the iPhone 5 (although S3 was completely fluid, so the iPhone could only beat it on speed), but I think you are grossly exaggerating. It seems chat is built into the Android app as well, unless I'm mistaking it for messages or something. It asked me if I wanted to install Facebook Messenger, and I said no, and it still went into the exact same interface as Messenger app has.

So you think the iOS multitasking implementation is better due to its power efficient nature, but still think it's a big issue that a service with only 400K people is using isn't possible on it?

Gonna side with iOS on this issue. Battery life for hundreds of millions of people is more important than 400k IRC users worldwide. That's why Android needs 3000 mAh batteries to match or narrowly beat an iPhone with less than half that battery. That's why Microsoft chose the iOS approach in their own mobile OS.

S3 has about 700mah more in it's battery, yet it lasts just as long, and has a far larger screen that it needs that power for. You seem very biased, and, worse, not knowledgeable on what you're complaining about. The 3000mAh battery you are referring to may be the 3300mAh battery in the RAZR Maxx, which absolutely destroys iPhone's battery life.

 

[Spinluck]

What is mass market or a "major gaming app?"
Infinity Blade's 5 million+ paid downloads generating $20M aren't enough to call it major or mass market? Is there ANY software on Android that can net $20M?

So for droid fans, 400K IRC users WORLDWIDE is plenty of users, but Infinity Blade with 5 million downloads isn't a major gaming app. Good to know.

Compare that to how many downloads and revenue Angry Birds, Words With Friends, or Draw Something has. Including the Free Ver. with ads.

Better yet, lets count how little that +5,000,000 actually is, in the large scope of things in the smartphone world(or even the tablet market I suppose).

Again, your point of generating revenue is irrelevant, we are talking about user experiences. People who don't mind ads will just download the free versions or the games I listed. Is there some special app that Android lacks, that isn't a port or game that the mass market won't care about not having?

 

[noah111]

So every designer on Dribble is worth a damn.

The more you know!

Some of the worst UI props that come out of Dribbble are still better than Metro. And quite frankly, in a lot of cases even iOS.

So I'd rather not poo-poo that community as not being designers worth a damn, because the majority of them certainly are. Pretty decent gauge of what's to be considered outdated, if you ask me.

 

[coldfoot]

S3 has about 700mah more in it's battery, yet it lasts just as long, and has a far larger screen that it needs that power for. You seem very biased, and, worse, not knowledgeable on what you're complaining about. The 3000mAh battery you are referring to may be the 3300mAh battery in the RAZR Maxx, which absolutely destroys iPhone's battery life.

1. 700maH more is 50% more which is massive
2. You are not knowledgable based on these graphs. Only thing that MAXX battery is good for is talk time as Android manufacturers are unable to make an efficient LTE modem.

 

[lunarworks]

Have you ever used IRC? I'm asking because it's plainly obvious to me Whatsapp and iMessage do not perform the same function and anyone who has used IRC would realise that.

IRC was fun.

A decade ago.

(Jumped on DALnet in '95 or '96, haven't been back since the early '00s.)

 

[coldfoot]

Compare that to how many downloads and revenue Angry Birds, Words With Friends, or Draw Something has. Including the Free Ver. with ads.

Revenue for those games surely isn't coming from their Android versions. In fact they wouldn't exist if there was no iOS version in the first place.

Better yet, lets count how little that +5,000,000 actually is, in the large scope of things in the smartphone world(or even the tablet market I suppose).

Android tablets are an absolute joke, do you really want to get into this? I'm doing you a favor by not involving Android apps, which only have 9% web traffic share compared to iPad's 91%. That 5M copies and 20M downloads is just one game. There are many others that add up and result in iOS being a much better place for games than Android.

 

[maharg]

How would you explain the discrepancy between how much developers make from iOS vs. Android where Android devices outnumber iOS 3 to 1 in market share, but iOS app developers' revenues are more than 5x the revenues of Android app developers?

Man you really miss the point, don't you?

 

[buhdeh]

A Simple argument from a simple man. Black Ops selling more doesn't mean it's higher quality, and neither does iPhones selling more mean they are higher quality than other phones. However, what it means is apps will be developed for iOS first and everyone else will continue to get sloppy seconds. Therefore I will and can state that iOS apps are better quality than apps for other platforms.

So you agree that Windows applications are far superior to any on the Mac then?

 

[VanWinkle]

1. 700maH more is 50% more which is massive
2. You are not knowledgable based on these graphs. Only thing that MAXX battery is good for is talk time as Android manufacturers are unable to make an efficient LTE modem.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47401.png[
[img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47403.png[[/QUOTE]

I will say that I didn't do enough research. Although the MAXX does seem to have the best overall battery life, my "destroys" comment must have been my memory of the massive talk time difference, when the other areas actually aren't so clear cut. I used hyperbole, like you with your "only thing good about maxx battery is talk time" (despite it being hours better than the iPhone with wifi browsing), and I apologize for that. With the S3, 700mAh is a big difference, yes, but so is a 4.8" screen over a 3.5" or more recently 4" screen. That difference in screen size costs mAh. I found in real world that my S3 lasts at least as long as my iPhone 4, so that's where that comment came from. I consider real world tests far more relevant than benchmarks (and my post history will back that up if for some reason you didn't believe me. I don't pay attention to or post about benchmarks).

If you want to know tests (and you can post more that are contrary if you want to), here is what [URL="http://www.laptopmag.com/review/smartphones/apple-iphone5.aspx"]Laptop Mag[/URL] said in their iPhone 5 review:

[quote]In the LAPTOP Battery Test, which involves continuous surfing over 4G at 40 percent brightness, the iPhone 5 lasted 7 hours and 13 minutes. That's longer than the Samsung Galaxy S III (6:55) and over an hour longer than the smartphone category average. The Sprint iPhone 4S running iOS 6 lasted 5:54. However, the Droid RAZR Maxx is still the endurance champ; it's 3,330 mAh battery lasted nearly 8.5 hours.[/quote]

 

[Spinluck]

Revenue for those games surely isn't coming from their Android versions. In fact they wouldn't exist if there was no iOS version in the first place.


Android tablets are an absolute joke, do you really want to get into this? I'm doing you a favor by not involving Android apps, which only have 9% web traffic share compared to iPad's 91%. That 5M copies and 20M downloads is just one game. There are many others that add up and result in iOS being a much better place for games than Android.

You continue you pull these shady Apple PR statistics for the sake of your argument. You got that 91 to 9 from Apples press conference, really?

I'm talking about actual killer apps.

And so what? Android got Angry Birds less than a year after it came out on iOS. And that was around when Android was actually missing out on Apps that mattered to the masses. Not freakin Infinity Blade.

Don't try and divert the argument, name something, that Android users are missing out on. Something that is a severe loss or is crucial to have in a smartphone. Stop talking about things that are generally not important to people outside of gaming forums, or people who like and are very invested in hardcore smartphone gaming. Cause they aren't who we are addressing, in case you didn't know who I was addressing, that would be the majority.

Features, Apps, name something.

 

[coldfoot]

I found in real world that my S3 lasts at least as long as my iPhone 4, so that's where that comment came from.

iPhone 4 was released in 2010, and I'm sure yours is much older than your S3, and the battery capacity has degraded, so I don't think it's a fair comparison. This is why we have benchmarks to give every phone an equal footing.

Laptop Mag said in their iPhone 5 review:

So the One X can get 16% better battery life with 230% more battery capacity in that test...I'd call that a pyrrhic victory at best. I'm sure you will be able to find a battery case for the iPhone 5 that will double its battery life without being any bulkier than the MAXX.

 

[coldfoot]

You continue you pull these shady Apple PR statistics for the sake of your argument. You got that 91 to 9 from Apples press conference, really?

They were obtained by a third party, prove them wrong with some concrete argument other than "Apple showed them".

I'm talking about actual killer apps.

And so what? Android got Angry Birds less than a year after it came out on iOS.

1. Timed exclusive is still exclusive, this is a fact. Therefore stuff like Instagram counted.
2. Infinity Blade sells more than 90% of the games talked about on GAF. It's not some niche game.

Don't try and divert the argument, name something, that Android users are missing out on. Something that is a severe loss or is crucial to have in a smartphone.

Good build quality, lack of stupid carrier/manufacturer branding/software (TouchWiz lol), smooth scrolling.

Then it's games like Infinity Blade, Real Racing, etc. Contrary to your beliefs, games that could even be considered hardcore like Infinity Blade are popular as evidenced by their download counts. If you want me to count, I'll add IB, EA Games, Square Games, etc. It's the combined presence of all of them that makes good numbers.

For a high profile non-game app, I'll mention tweetdeck. Also Facetime is hands down the best video chat application that's available on any platform by far.

 

[VanWinkle]

iPhone 4 was released in 2010, and I'm sure yours is much older than your S3, and the battery capacity has degraded, so I don't think it's a fair comparison. This is why we have benchmarks to give every phone an equal footing.

I bought it off someone who hadn't even used it before about a week ago, so technically it's been used less than the S3.

So the One X can get 16% better battery life with 230% more battery capacity in that test...I'd call that a pyrrhic victory at best. I'm sure you will be able to find a battery case for the iPhone 5 that will double its battery life without being any bulkier than the MAXX.

Not saying you can't find something like that, although it seems like it would be hard to find a case that's less than 1.5 mm thin that doubles its battery life, but I digress. And I already told you I was actually incorrect as to the amount that the maxx beats the iPhone.

 

[McLovin]

I get that google maps got removed from iOS 6 but why the YouTube app? I just realized it was gone from my iPad
Any way to revert?

 

[Cipherr]

No, I was pointing out the complete lack of logic in that argument where you said one shouldn't criticize a lack of a feature because of a lack of a feature.

This part was good. "You cant dislike/criticize that, because thats a limitation of the OS!". I cannot even begin to try and comprehend the logic behind that.

IRC is very popular for sharing copyright protected files.
Why else would you really use it in the days of stuff like Whatsapp and iMessage? Whatsapp has tens of millions of downloads compared to less than 400K worldwide IRC users.

Comparing the functions of Whatsapp and iMessage to the chatroom styled function of IRC, and pretending they are completely interchangeable and completely overlap one another is completely mind blowing. Ive seen you break many a logic barrier while on the defensive for something Apple related before Coldfoot, but you have your foot on the pedal right now something fierce. Much more than ever before.

 

[Bgamer90]

I get that google maps got removed from iOS 6 but why the YouTube app? I just realized it was gone from my iPad
Any way to revert?

YouTube is also a part of google.

Check out the YouTube app called Jasmine (it's free).

 

[coldfoot]

I bought it off someone who hadn't even used it before about a week ago, so technically it's been used less than the S3.

Usage doesn't matter for lithium-ion batteries. They start degrading from the day they are manufactured.

 

[coldfoot]

Comparing the functions of Whatsapp and iMessage to the chatroom styled function of IRC, and pretending they are completely interchangeable and completely overlap one another is completely mind blowing.

Statistics show that direct messaging is 100 times more preferable for people compared to IRC. There are 12 times as many people who would care more about playing Infinity Blade , which is an irrelevant game according to some, than being on IRC.

 

[Cipherr]

Statistics show that direct messaging is 100 times more preferable for people compared to IRC.

What the fuck does ANY of that have to do with the fact that IRC very clearly serves a very different function and approach versus direct messaging applications? Stop trying to cover your idiotic statement with 'statistics'.

Jesus Christ.... this thread...

Edit: Holy shit I just realized you are the same guy that was rambling off nonsense earlier in this thread. What a waste of time.

 

[coldfoot]

What the fuck does ANY of that have to do with the fact that IRC very clearly serves a very different function and approach versus direct messaging applications?

IRC was popular in the 90's where direct messaging was just barely starting to become popular, then direct messaging took over and IRC never recovered.
Therefore for an overwhelming majority of people, IRC and direct messaging served the same function, which was to chat with people, and they chose direct messaging and abandoned IRC.

So my argument for iOS not having IRC: Nobody cares.