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Anita Sarkeesian: "No more excuses for the lack of women at E3".

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These games are made by individual developers. It is not 'The Gaming Company' who produces all titles and has the power to create 50 male games and 50 female games. So how would it be fair even if they wanted to? Roll a dice? 1-3: male lead, 4-6: female?

Of course, even with 100% female leads, she would most definitely instead complain about how they are presented.
 

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When you have an insane topic to deal with, that happens to cherry pick the best and worst, to make it appear how they want, you can’t have a sane discussion about it.

So it devolves into this.
I just find it crazy that some people appearantly want to publicy share their thoughts like "id fuck her omg so hot let me put my dick in her omg" like...whoa..ok, take a step back from the keyboard. I don't care what you think but sharing this with anyone else may not be the BEST idea.
 

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I just find it crazy that some people appearantly want to publicy share their thoughts like "id fuck her omg so hot let me put my dick in her omg" like...whoa..ok, take a step back from the keyboard. I don't care what you think but sharing this with anyone else may not be the BEST idea.
I had assumed...or maybe hoped....that is was all just an off color joke that just kept rolling.
 

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I just find it crazy that some people appearantly want to publicy share their thoughts like "id fuck her omg so hot let me put my dick in her omg" like...whoa..ok, take a step back from the keyboard. I don't care what you think but sharing this with anyone else may not be the BEST idea.
Probably because she acts like a stuck up bitch. Saying women like her need to stop being femcels and have sex is such an old thing. Plus it's a thread about anita. Most people don't care or respect her.
 

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When you have an insane topic to deal with, that happens to cherry pick the best and worst, to make it appear how they want, you can’t have a sane discussion about it.

So it devolves into this.
And unfortunately a lot of "this" can be cherry picked out of context to further promote her cause.

I'm not having a go, I have read through the thread and taken it in context as (hopefully) just a load of fun banter from a group fed up of it but I agree with others calling for her to be ignored and not to provide more fuel (I realise I am part of the problem here).
 
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I just find it crazy that some people appearantly want to publicy share their thoughts like "id fuck her omg so hot let me put my dick in her omg" like...whoa..ok, take a step back from the keyboard. I don't care what you think but sharing this with anyone else may not be the BEST idea.
And unfortunately a lot of "this" can be cherry picked out of context to further promote her cause.

I'm not having a go, I have read through the thread and taken it in context as (hopefully) just a load of fun banter from a group fed up of it but I agree with others calling for her to be ignored and not to provide more fuel (I realise I am part of the problem here).
I can’t disagree with either of your points here. Some of the commentary does help to fuel her agenda.
 
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Can't she just fuck off already? How many years is she going to milk it?

This woman has literally single handily almost ruined pop culture, her life's mission is to suck all joy and fun out of the world.

The sheer egotism and self centeredness of this woman, who died and made her queen of video games? Why does she think she can decide what can and can't be done for an audience of millions and millions of people?

She's a demon, she's a monster, she's a witch, she's literally evil.

She's the real life version of the Grinch but twice as ugly,

I'm not a fan, in other words.
 

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What's the actual endgame here? OK say you get 50% female non scantily clad women in games. Then what? Games will sell more? More women play games?
Having the "right" opinion is an industry itself. The purpose here is not really to make a change happen, that would only be a nice bonus for Sarkeesian.

The purpose is to promote herself by spreading ideas that will give her a platform among the "woke" actors in the gaming industry, and it's working.

A call for diversity might sound harmless but in the end it will have negative impact on the creative process of game development. Nowdays it's controversial to make a WW2 game without women. Why? Because if you do, you're a sexist. What a fantastic enviroment to create original content!

This is a cancer spreading that can only be fought with our wallets. Don't give a damn dime to developers that support that narrative. BFV is a good example on how to deal with developers who try to shove it down our throat.
 

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Does she even play games?
I doubt it. The way she takes footage out of context says she never actually played any of the games she’s critiquing, nor does she look at how many females have names in the credits.

I don’t think she cares if women lose their job because they are behind the scenes, she only cares about what behind is on the screen,
 

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I just find it crazy that some people appearantly want to publicy share their thoughts like "id fuck her omg so hot let me put my dick in her omg" like...whoa..ok, take a step back from the keyboard. I don't care what you think but sharing this with anyone else may not be the BEST idea.
When you disagree with Anita, you tend to run into what I've heard called the "Man covered in shit" problem: You disagree with someone, state your arguments then a man covered head to toe in shit, utterly stinking shows up and agrees with you. This guy being covered in shit doesn't in any way weaken your argument or make it invalid, yet you really wish the guy covered in shit agreed with your opponent instead because he makes you look bad. See the South Park episode about immigration with the KKK.

Anita likes(ed?) to paint anyone who questions her as a terrible angry misogynist by putting valid criticism in with rape threats but there are actual angry misogynists who hate her and did send her rape threats. They obviously make anyone with valid, thought out criticism looks bad by proxy.

The funny thing is that generally these people actually agree wholeheartedly with Anita; They want to tell devs what they can & can't put in their games. They're just on the other side of the same political coin.
 
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Does she even play games?
No she doesn't, there are videos that show her play something but they really are just so she can say she is "da real gamah!" but consistently proves that she knows fuck all about video games. Also, I think I watched a video of hers doing a lecture where she says she doesn't really play video games.

edit: found it
 
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Here my question, why does she care so much about the avatars and not care about the women making the games or presenting them?

You would think that a woman with a great job, like Kiki Wolfkill would be more important then the character presented on screen, during gameplay.
Because if you focus on the women making and presenting the games then companies have an easy way out.

Say you want to run a new game company and you are bringing in 200 employees at all levels.
However when you do interviews 85% of the applicants are males and some of those are REALLY fecking talented.
So, you do bring in a few really talented women too but they are naturally going to be a smaller % of the workforce.
The simple fact is that more men are training for this job and more men are passionate about these kind of roles.

These facts allow you shift the responsibility away from the gaming company and onto whoever is educating and training the workforce.
You can basically say "no way Anita it's society's fault for not encouraging gilrs to take up game development we can only pick from the existing workforce".

I am pretty sure that she never ever did a video celebrating the awesome female game devs in the industry. Not her shitty friends making shitty progressive indies but the actual women involved in some of the biggest games ever? Even though something like that might inspire young women to take an interest.

The goal is to put the game companies in a position that they cannot wriggle out of.
The starting point is "Society is in a bad way, women are treated poorly".
The cause is "Women are not well represented in media".
The solution is "Represent women more often and in the way that I tell you".

NOW she can offer her services as a "consultant" or an "expert" or maybe your game will get a wee bit of backlash on Twitter?
Hell maybe your game will appear on a future YouTube video and when people defend it you will just be "supported by GamerGate".

Changing the avatars is also an immediate and measurable demonstration and/or confirmation of her power to make change.
This, in turn, will encourage other activists.

So maybe EA runs a trailer for a new Star Wars game and what's this? The main character is a white male? A little bit of backlash might see EA "doing better" in their DLC or even the next Star Wars game. Could be they need the help of some kind of consultant to make sure there is no future issues.

It's also just as easy concept for dummies to understand. Also easily digestible for people who don't really know much about gaming.

"80% of games are led by male characters, what abut video games for women?"
It's easily understandable even if it's not very deep.

Convince people that this situation is actively bad for society and bad for women and you might be onto something.

Personally, I respect Anita's "hustle".
She obviously studied some useless fucking course and college but managed to leverage that into something very profitable and successful.
Sure, she took advantage of gullible people but the videogame sphere is already full of that in so many aspects.
She doesn't exactly lie about gaming but she frames things in a very specific way that is appealing to white knights inside the gaming community and quick and easy to understand for people who don't know gaming at all.

The people I do not respect here are those who allowed her shitty views to go unchallenged.
Outlets who game her content airtime without scrutiny or any kind of objection.
Then, even worse, they went out of their way to attack people who criticized her work.
That's on them.

The whole shitshow, Anita, her critics, YouTube, GamerGate etc is on those people who raised her up without question.
FFS Sargon of Akkad ended up running as a politician ultimately because way back then nobody in the mainstream said "yeah he talks some sense actually a lot of her views are bullshit". If they had done that it would have been the end of it.
Instead they lied about her detractors but it was all so transparent that it ended up raising them up too. Total idiocy.

As someone else said already, there was a time where probably even this post right here would have gotten me banned from this site.
If the thread hadn't already been shut down. Probably this would be a perma-ban on the other place.
Don't think I said anything too controversial or shocking though.
 

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Because if you focus on the women making and presenting the games then companies have an easy way out.

Say you want to run a new game company and you are bringing in 200 employees at all levels.
However when you do interviews 85% of the applicants are males and some of those are REALLY fecking talented.
So, you do bring in a few really talented women too but they are naturally going to be a smaller % of the workforce.
The simple fact is that more men are training for this job and more men are passionate about these kind of roles.

These facts allow you shift the responsibility away from the gaming company and onto whoever is educating and training the workforce.
You can basically say "no way Anita it's society's fault for not encouraging gilrs to take up game development we can only pick from the existing workforce".

I am pretty sure that she never ever did a video celebrating the awesome female game devs in the industry. Not her shitty friends making shitty progressive indies but the actual women involved in some of the biggest games ever? Even though something like that might inspire young women to take an interest.

The goal is to put the game companies in a position that they cannot wriggle out of.
The starting point is "Society is in a bad way, women are treated poorly".
The cause is "Women are not well represented in media".
The solution is "Represent women more often and in the way that I tell you".

NOW she can offer her services as a "consultant" or an "expert" or maybe your game will get a wee bit of backlash on Twitter?
Hell maybe your game will appear on a future YouTube video and when people defend it you will just be "supported by GamerGate".

Changing the avatars is also an immediate and measurable demonstration and/or confirmation of her power to make change.
This, in turn, will encourage other activists.

So maybe EA runs a trailer for a new Star Wars game and what's this? The main character is a white male? A little bit of backlash might see EA "doing better" in their DLC or even the next Star Wars game. Could be they need the help of some kind of consultant to make sure there is no future issues.

It's also just as easy concept for dummies to understand. Also easily digestible for people who don't really know much about gaming.

"80% of games are led by male characters, what abut video games for women?"
It's easily understandable even if it's not very deep.

Convince people that this situation is actively bad for society and bad for women and you might be onto something.

Personally, I respect Anita's "hustle".
She obviously studied some useless fucking course and college but managed to leverage that into something very profitable and successful.
Sure, she took advantage of gullible people but the videogame sphere is already full of that in so many aspects.
She doesn't exactly lie about gaming but she frames things in a very specific way that is appealing to white knights inside the gaming community and quick and easy to understand for people who don't know gaming at all.

The people I do not respect here are those who allowed her shitty views to go unchallenged.
Outlets who game her content airtime without scrutiny or any kind of objection.
Then, even worse, they went out of their way to attack people who criticized her work.
That's on them.

The whole shitshow, Anita, her critics, YouTube, GamerGate etc is on those people who raised her up without question.
FFS Sargon of Akkad ended up running as a politician ultimately because way back then nobody in the mainstream said "yeah he talks some sense actually a lot of her views are bullshit". If they had done that it would have been the end of it.
Instead they lied about her detractors but it was all so transparent that it ended up raising them up too. Total idiocy.

As someone else said already, there was a time where probably even this post right here would have gotten me banned from this site.
If the thread hadn't already been shut down. Probably this would be a perma-ban on the other place.
Don't think I said anything too controversial or shocking though.
Ok that’s a lot to take in. I agree with most of what you are saying and it’s going to take some time to come up with a statement worthy of that post.
 
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Because if you focus on the women making and presenting the games then companies have an easy way out.

Say you want to run a new game company and you are bringing in 200 employees at all levels.
However when you do interviews 85% of the applicants are males and some of those are REALLY fecking talented.
So, you do bring in a few really talented women too but they are naturally going to be a smaller % of the workforce.
The simple fact is that more men are training for this job and more men are passionate about these kind of roles.

These facts allow you shift the responsibility away from the gaming company and onto whoever is educating and training the workforce.
You can basically say "no way Anita it's society's fault for not encouraging gilrs to take up game development we can only pick from the existing workforce".

I am pretty sure that she never ever did a video celebrating the awesome female game devs in the industry. Not her shitty friends making shitty progressive indies but the actual women involved in some of the biggest games ever? Even though something like that might inspire young women to take an interest.

The goal is to put the game companies in a position that they cannot wriggle out of.
The starting point is "Society is in a bad way, women are treated poorly".
The cause is "Women are not well represented in media".
The solution is "Represent women more often and in the way that I tell you".

NOW she can offer her services as a "consultant" or an "expert" or maybe your game will get a wee bit of backlash on Twitter?
Hell maybe your game will appear on a future YouTube video and when people defend it you will just be "supported by GamerGate".

Changing the avatars is also an immediate and measurable demonstration and/or confirmation of her power to make change.
This, in turn, will encourage other activists.

So maybe EA runs a trailer for a new Star Wars game and what's this? The main character is a white male? A little bit of backlash might see EA "doing better" in their DLC or even the next Star Wars game. Could be they need the help of some kind of consultant to make sure there is no future issues.

It's also just as easy concept for dummies to understand. Also easily digestible for people who don't really know much about gaming.

"80% of games are led by male characters, what abut video games for women?"
It's easily understandable even if it's not very deep.

Convince people that this situation is actively bad for society and bad for women and you might be onto something.

Personally, I respect Anita's "hustle".
She obviously studied some useless fucking course and college but managed to leverage that into something very profitable and successful.
Sure, she took advantage of gullible people but the videogame sphere is already full of that in so many aspects.
She doesn't exactly lie about gaming but she frames things in a very specific way that is appealing to white knights inside the gaming community and quick and easy to understand for people who don't know gaming at all.

The people I do not respect here are those who allowed her shitty views to go unchallenged.
Outlets who game her content airtime without scrutiny or any kind of objection.
Then, even worse, they went out of their way to attack people who criticized her work.
That's on them.

The whole shitshow, Anita, her critics, YouTube, GamerGate etc is on those people who raised her up without question.
FFS Sargon of Akkad ended up running as a politician ultimately because way back then nobody in the mainstream said "yeah he talks some sense actually a lot of her views are bullshit". If they had done that it would have been the end of it.
Instead they lied about her detractors but it was all so transparent that it ended up raising them up too. Total idiocy.

As someone else said already, there was a time where probably even this post right here would have gotten me banned from this site.
If the thread hadn't already been shut down. Probably this would be a perma-ban on the other place.
Don't think I said anything too controversial or shocking though.
People literally worship her as if she's some Religious prophet, she's a cult leader.

Time and time again over the years I've criticized her around the net and no matter how carefully I tried to be respectful and even handed in my criticisms and disavow any harassment she may have received, without fail there's always a few assholes that call you sexist and misogynist.

So fuck the dumb cunt.
 

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People literally worship her as if she's some Religious prophet, she's a cult leader.

Time and time again over the years I've criticized her around the net and no matter how carefully I tried to be respectful and even handed in my criticisms and disavow any harassment she may have received, without fail there's always a few assholes that call you sexist and misogynist.

So fuck the dumb cunt.
No matter where you go on the internet, there will,always be those people.

Even here on GAF.

I might even be one of them one day.....
 

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Who in the absolute fuck is paying Sarkeesian to write anything any more? Where are your videos from years ago Anita? Oh that's right, you embezzled the money.

Possibly my most hated person in gaming, for so many reasons. I hope she falls into a combine harvester.
 
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Who in the absolute fuck is paying Sarkeesian to write anything any more? Where are your videos from years ago Anita? Oh that's right, you embezzled the money.

Possibly my most hated person in gaming, for so many reasons. I hope she falls into a combine harvester.
My fav part is that she doesn’t want to be like all the “fake cartoons” out there, but the intro video on some of them, is a fake cartoon of all 3 girls, looking nothing like they really are.

They literally do everything they hate...., To themselves, as an opening video.
 
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I'm gonna make a game where you play as a sexy big boobie lady wearing pasties and a thong. Qween Anita should be proud!
You need to play Heavy Metal FAKK 2...…...I wonder what Anita would think of this game in today's climate...….
 

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You know where there is a lack of women - garbage collecting. I've been on this floating rock a few years now, not once have I observed a woman coming to pickup the garbage. I never saw them driving the garbage truck, never seen them riding on the back to throw garbage into the truck. 🤔
 

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If only she knew how many male gamers choose to play as a female in games where you can pick the gender. But to know that you need to be a gamer.
 

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You know where there is a lack of women - garbage collecting. I've been on this floating rock a few years now, not once have I observed a woman coming to pickup the garbage. I never saw them driving the garbage truck, never seen them riding on the back to throw garbage into the truck. 🤔
Deadliest Catch has tried a few times now. I won’t say how it ended, because I don’t want to be sexist.

Let’s just say physical limitations can outweigh the mind sometimes.
 
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There used to be loads of women at e3. These women were looked up to, idolised and were an integral part of the show.

Then crusty old skanks on their periods got rid of booth babes and e3 hasnt been the same since.
Honestly as much as I love them I just hate how obviously pandering it is that's my issue especially at E3 given that it is a trade show for the industry and not really a fan event.
 
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There used to be loads of women at e3. These women were looked up to, idolised and were an integral part of the show.

Then crusty old skanks on their periods got rid of booth babes and e3 hasnt been the same since.
Look how “woke” we were even in the early 2000s. We knew everything fun wasn’t good for us, so we banned it.
 
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Honestly as much as I love them I just hate how obviously pandering it is that's my issue especially at E3 given that it is a trade show for the industry and not really a fan event.
Haven’t they been trying to turn it back into a fan even the last 3 years or so?

We are rolling back. E3 used to be fan<industry<fan.
 

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At which point you have to ask “why does she still have an audience?”
Plot twist: you ALL are her audience :messenger_face_screaming:

Yeah I think Airola got it right whenever she makes any of her stupid statement the reaction from certain fans, is really what is making her to be a bigger story than she really is and there is quite a few who hate watches her.

Want her to go away then ignore her
 

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Not agreeing with her but I am always happy to see well-written female characters in games as opposed to the generic spunky movie heroine types we usually get (e.g. TR Reboot).
 
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