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[JDSN]

Oh cool we are at that part of the game where people posts the three or four only examples they can come up to justify objectification while ignoring the disproportion in which it occurs to female ones. Now post the 10 examples of good female character of over 30 year of gaming.

 

[A Link to the Past]

She hasn't but everyone arguing about stuff is lame. I'm just kinda sick of the arguing. I never really followed gamergate and still don't really know what it's all about.

Then go away from this thread if you aren't interested.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I just wanna play games. Is that wrong?

So play your video games and stop posting on GAF.

That's not too hard for you is it?

 

[DerpKnight7]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad either way, no middle ground, no good GG supporters, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

EDIT: Let me rephrase this - They are both as bad as each other. GG has had it's reputation tarnished because of doxing, and now you simply cannot support GG and not be called out on it. Yet people have done the same thing in the name of feminism to GG supporters and they are just considered bad feminists, and the others are good feminist. Yet anyone who supports GG is instantly referred to as a misogynist. Why can't someome support GG and just be respected for that like they would if they were doing the same for feminism? That is all I am pointing out. I think there is a double standard. That's my opinion, please respect like I will yours

 

[ANDS]

She hasn't but everyone arguing about stuff is lame. I'm just kinda sick of the arguing. I never really followed gamergate and still don't really know what it's all about.

Well. . .you've stepped in it now.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I just wanna play games. Is that wrong?

Why even post if all you're going to say is "Can we stop talking about this?"

 

[A Link to the Past]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

Quick note, you claimed that she antagonized men by saying something that you find disagreeable

Like, people threatened her with murder and rape because they disagreed with her.

Also, "people who try to doxx and threaten people" are worse than people who criticize video games.

 

[RM8]

She hasn't but everyone arguing about stuff is lame. I'm just kinda sick of the arguing. I never really followed gamergate and still don't really know what it's all about.

Do you read and comment in every single thread on GAF?

 

[Odrion]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level.

uh, the point of the video series isn't that men are bad because of the content in the games

the point is to point out the content in these games, and how it can be harmful for our culture's perspective of women

I'm glad we cleared things up,

 

[Partial Gamification]

Definition of victim blaming, right here.

Not knowing her motives, it is not.

If she is not sincere then it is stoking the fires.

I apologize if you think she deserves the benefit of the doubt but I don't know her.

I have trouble believing an adult is going to harass her over criticism of videogames.

Its a bunch of stupid kids on the internet.

Why not turn off the comments? I'm sorry but its just bizarre to me. If you think I'm saying I know its her fault then you misread. This World is full of people that are wolves in sheeps' clothing. If she is above scrutiny, then ban me.

 

[Dryk]

If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make?

That's what Anita does for the most part. She didn't go to the game players, the game players came to her and tried to make it about them.

Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level.

It is partially the fault of the culture, the culture is formed by contributions from participants in that culture. If the culture surrounding gaming changes, then gaming will change.

 

[ANDS]

Now post the 10 examples of good female character of over 30 year of gaming.

10? Seriously? I'm not even going to suggest there is a mountain of evidence of "good female character" (whatever that means) - but 10? Hoohoo.

 

[Coffee Dog]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad either way, no middle ground, no good GG supporters, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

Can you give me an example of when you think she antagonized men?

Also, feminists aren't calling in fucking bomb threats, you doofus.

 

[Marcel]

Not that I'm saying you are, especially since I have no idea what the context was (having not read the original thread) but its not like a woman can't be anti-feminist.
Feminism is an ideology fundamentally separated from who you are. Men can be feminists, women can be anti-feminists and its not like it really matters what label you take on since feminism is a pretty much useless label anyway since there's more flavors than Baskin Robbins.

You're not wrong in your thinking but more of the point I was trying to get across is that, as you stated, feminism comes in many flavors and is not simply just vanilla...which is why I found it strange when I was called out for being out of step and lectured about the female identity by men, hence the 'mansplaining' bit.

 

[Vice]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad either way, no middle ground, no good GG supporters, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

That's media analysis though. It's really base level stuff that's been applied to every medium and is part of academic analysis of entertainment. Noticing a trend, and giving examples or it, is social sciences 101 stuff. You find a trend and figure out why it started and what impact it has.

That's a lot different than threatening the lives of people for making a Youtube video you don't like.

 

[Shaanyboi]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad either way, no middle ground, no good GG supporters, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

What the hell is this? How is she "antagonizing men"?

 

[Dryk]

Can you give me an example of when you think she antagonized men?

Also, feminists aren't calling in fucking bomb threats, you doofus.

Let's not pretend that some people that hate GamerGate haven't also done some fucked up things in the name of their cause. But let's also not pretend like there isn't a massive difference in scale and organisation between the two.

 

[pakkit]

1a.I have trouble believing an adult is going to harass her over criticism of videogames.

1b.Its a bunch of stupid kids on the internet.

2.Why not turn off the comments?

1. Mountains of evidence say you're wrong.

2. She did. And when she turns off the comments, people say that she's high and mighty and not inviting conversation. It's a lose-lose.

DerpKnight's argument is all false equivocation. Anita doesn't attack men, she does attack established masculinity. If your sense of masculinity is so frail that a single critique of it can get you up in arms, you should probably just walk away from the computer and relax. People blow up about "SJW's" and claim that they're controlling the narrative in Hollywood, videogames, TV, etc. but I think if you really pause to think about the biggest releases you'll see that they aren't dictated by Twitter-wars--instead, their plotlines have shifted steadily over time. "SJW's" don't run the game, they merely point out issues in media that they find problematic. I actually disagree with other feminists' arguments pretty regularly, but I don't fling shit at their windows and I certainly don't threaten their lives. My argument is that good writing triumphs every time. A good writer will make characters believable no matter how many tropes are used. A good writer will make characters, regardless of gender or race, believable and human. That's not a far-fetched goal, in my opinion, and opening up videogame discourse to allow more people in seems like a winning situation for everyone. Our blockbuster AAA games are never going to go away.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad either way, no middle ground, no good GG supporters, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

I refuse to believe this is the post of a functional human being in adult society.

 

[ibyea]

Your post doesn't come off as you laughing at "men explaining. . ." (and I'm not sure why THAT would be fine either)

Mansplaining is when men talk over women as if they know better than the woman, even if the woman is more experienced in that area. It's something obnoxious women experience regularly. So her expressing disdain to masplaining seems reasonable.

 

[Jathaine]

You're not wrong in your thinking but more of the point I was trying to get across is that, as you stated, feminism comes in many flavors and is not simply just vanilla...which is why I found it strange when I was called out for being out of step and lectured about the female identity by men, hence the 'mansplaining' bit.

Aye.
I guess I just took the comment I responded to as giving off a vibe of 'I'm a woman and therefore obviously feminist'.

We're certainly on the same page now and I do think its silly to lecture anyone on the 'female identity' since there's no concrete definition as to what that may be. We're all individuals, male or female. Its a lot easier to generalize though, yeah?

 

[Jumplion]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad either way, no middle ground, no good GG supporters, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

You do realize Sarkeesian's been invited and has done consultant work for several developers, including Naughty Dog with The Last of Us, right?

And I have to echo Echoenigma here;

Can you give me an example of when you think she antagonized men?

Also, feminists aren't calling in fucking bomb threats, you doofus.

(everytime I get out, the pull me back in...)

 

[...Scatter...]

Yeah, because the 95% of games with straight, white male leads were all done for artistic reasons, and trying to ensure that AAA games don't all basically have the same lead is what will make them boring.

Thanks for the snark and oversimplification. I keep asking folks what the desired end game is here as these debates always go on forever but no one seem to be able to answer me. Can you do that instead of trying to belittle me?

 

[Alex_Mexico]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad either way, no middle ground, no good GG supporters, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

I was taking your concerns seriously until you used the term "SJW".

You managed to completely miss the point. Several times. You're wrong. Period.

 

[Opto]

So whatever Anita does is OK, good for her, but in everything I have seen her in has antagonized men in someway. Like in her YouTube series, sure, there is a strip club level in Hitman, but how is that the fault of anyone but the devs or who ever decided that should be a level. I'm not defending GG though. I feel that modern feminism (all of the shit you see on tumblr, all the SJW shit, what Anita preaches etc.) and GG have both gone and shit the bed. The idea of feminism is all good, but so many people who say they support it are really just antagonizing men. This doesn't need to be in gaming. If you want to change the games, go to the game makers, not the game players. The players will play the games either way, what difference does it make? GG had the right idea, but it's supporters have gone and made fools of themselves too. Yet, most people that call themselves feminists say that the doxers, hackers and other scummy feminists are just bad feminists, and they are good feminists, but with GG even remotely supporting it is viewed (by SJWs, feminists and those who have been influenced by them) as bad either way, no middle ground, no good GG supporters, and most people just go white knight and come to the aid of the feminists, calling out the GG supporters even though they are really just as bad or the same as the feminists, turning a blind eye if you will to what the feminists have done.

TL;DR Both of you are as bad as each other, shut up, shake hands and go your separate ways

Let's see. "It's Anita's Fault" "SJW" "Modern feminism is bad" "GG was right" "white knight"

I didn't pick out the rest of the statements cause I already got bingo

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

derp derp derp derp

Derp

 

[Vice]

Not knowing her motives, it is not.

If she is not sincere then it is stoking the fires.

I apologize if you think she deserves the benefit of the doubt but I don't know her.

I have trouble believing an adult is going to harass her over criticism of videogames.

Its a bunch of stupid kids on the internet.

Why not turn off the comments? I'm sorry but its just bizarre to me. If you think I'm saying I know its her fault then you misread. This World is full of people that are wolves in sheeps' clothing. If she is above scrutiny, then ban me.

She does have comments turned off. There are whole portions of various websites, and entire websites, dedicated to antagonizing her and others with similar views. As far as age of the commentators go there have been plenty of videos and comments made from adults well into their twenties,and possibly thirties, saying really vile shit. I think there was a thread on Gaf about some guy who complained about wrecking his car on the way to some female devs house.

 

[kcp12304]

The internet can be unfairly foul.
How many of those critics are just stupid kids?

You would be surprised at how many grown ass men are being the most vicious. Some are doing it with their real names.

I don't know her or what motivates her but if she wants to make change then she should make the game she'd like to see, or find people willing to do it.

Why can't she just make her criticism like every other gamer. Gamers complain about every little thing but no one responds to those criticism with "make your own game if you don't like it". It's unfair to expect her to make games. The first step is to talk about the problem.

Where I do take issue with how all this is handled, is how the gamergate boogeyman recently became the manifestation of this harassment and not a critique of bullshit in the media. It has many facets, and one's perspective will determine how it looks. I saw the harassment and don't deny it but to call it the totality of what gamergate was doing is a lie.

You can't just dismiss the harassment because you think it is a "small facet" of GamerGate. Harassment is a pretty big facet and terrible blemish on the movement. It can not be easily dismissed. Harassment is a major problem. It is GG's fault that they could not organize effectively over journalism ethics and turned to mob mentality.

The online threat came from a guy in Brazil I.D.'d by gamergaters. She gets ushered onto the Colbert Report and the harassment became without a doubt a vehicle she used to gain celebrity.

GamerGate was supposed to be about the media but they are the ones who brought Anita name up again. It is because of GG that she started to receive more harassment so I can't just give them a break because they found the Brazil guy.

She's had obsessive harassers for three years? That predates gamergate. Is the narrative that these harassers are the ones that orchestrated gamergate? That I do not believe.

She does not deserve the hate and abuse but I'm not sure that she's doing much to stop it, so much as she is willingly -or unwillingly- egging it on.

Plenty of the people in past harassment campaigns were part of GG. See: https://storify.com/strictmachine/gameovergate.

She did not ask to be famous even if people on reddit and 4chan could not stop talking about her. Watch the video in the OP. The harassment has clearly had a negative effect on her mental health.

You can't blame her for "egging it on". That's just blaming the victim. What has she done that was so horrible that she deserved more shit thrown her way. Over Video Games? There is no "narrative" she is pushing. The harassment is real and well documented. It's unfortunate folks don't have empathy for this kind of thing and just hand waive it away. This is her life and it's all because she had completely uncontroversial opinions about video games.

 

[Oersted]

Is derpknighting a established phrase? Should be.

Thanks for the snark and oversimplification. I keep asking folks what the desired end game is here as these debates always go on forever but no one seem to be able to answer me. Can you do that instead of trying to belittle me?

Add a female character. Don' present humans as objects. Standard stuff basically.

 

[Nairume]

Let's see. "It's Anita's Fault" "SJW" "Modern feminism is bad" "GG was right" "white knight"

I didn't pick out the rest of the statements cause I already got bingo

Don't forget both sides are wrong. Really, all it's missing is "I've not been keeping up with this, but" and it'd completely cover the board.

Inclined to thus believe it's a joke post.

 

[SuperOrez]

Damn I didn't mean to piss anyone off. Ya'll some passionate folks. Originally I just wanted to see what people's views and shit but everyone is just mad at other. But this is the Internet. Since you ain't face to face you're just words on a screen.

 

[JDSN]

.

Halfway there.

 

[RM8]

Damn I didn't mean to piss anyone off. Ya'll some passionate folks. Originally I just wanted to see what people's views and shit but everyone is just mad at other. But this is the Internet. Since you ain't face to face you're just words on a screen.

I'm not trying to be mean, I just genuinely don't understand why you can't just play games. Or why this discussion taking place means you have to read through it against your will.

 

[Marcel]

Mansplaining is when men talk over women as if they know better than the woman, even if the woman is more experienced in that area. It's something obnoxious women experience regularly. So her expressing disdain to masplaining seems reasonable.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the genuine allies here. But as has been referenced to, there's a reason why many women don't get involved in conversations like this. Many times their voices get drowned out in favor of, using an example from this thread, strange asides about hetero porn and Marvel movies.

I probably stand in the flames more than I have to (I've paid for it, I have a decent NeoGAF rapsheet) but I'm not going to be submissive, sugarcoat my feelings or pretend to respect vacuous arguments.

 

[Dryk]

You would be surprised at how many grown ass men are being the most vicious. Some are doing it with their real names.

I didn't realise until yesterday that Thunderf00t is a 43 year old man with a Chemistry PhD and lead author on 20+ journal articles

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I didn't realise until yesterday that Thunderf00t is a 43 year old man with a Chemistry PhD and lead author on 20+ journal articles

Wut

 

[DerpKnight7]

Quick note, you claimed that she antagonized men by saying something that you find disagreeable

Like, people threatened her with murder and rape because they disagreed with her.

Also, "people who try to doxx and threaten people" are worse than people who criticize video games.

The whole antagonized men thing was more from the beginning of her video in the OP, should have mentioned that. And the people threatening Anita are no worse than the people threatening GG supporters. I saw one guy have himself and his parents doxed because he openly supported GG. What I was pointing out is that had that happened to a anti GG tumble user for example, it would have been a huge fucking problem, but since it was a GG supporter, no one cared. For example, I should be able to support GG (for the sake of keeping all this drama out of gaming) without being called a misogynist or accused of doxing. It's not like every GG supporter sends her rape threats etc., but she makes it out like they do. And some feminists mhave done the same thing as these GG doxers, and are just called bad feminists. All I'm saying is that it should be the same for both sides

 

[cirrhosis]

I didn't realise until yesterday that Thunderf00t is a 43 year old man with a Chemistry PhD and lead author on 20+ journal articles

Gosh, he must really know what he's talking about

 

[SuperOrez]

I'm not trying to be mean, I just genuinely don't understand why you can't just play games. Or why this discussion taking place means you have to read through it against your will.

It's not. I'm reading it off my own free will. I play games and I read about em. This topic is the hot topic on a website I frequent so I just wanted to know what the fuss is about. As I said I'm not familiar to the gamergate nonsense aand I've mostly ignored it but apparently it's a big deal.

 

[A Link to the Past]

The whole antagonized men thing was more from the beginning of her video in the OP, should have mentioned that. And the people threatening Anita are no worse than the people threatening GG supporters. I saw one guy have himself and his parents doxed because he openly supported GG. What I was pointing out is that had that happened to a anti GG tumble user for example, it would have been a huge fucking problem, but since it was a GG supporter, no one cared. For example, I should be able to support GG (for the sake of keeping all this drama out of gaming) without being called a misogynist or accused of doxing. It's not like every GG supporter sends her rape threats etc., but she makes it out like they do. And some feminists mhave done the same thing as these GG doxers, and are just called bad feminists. All I'm saying is that it should be the same for both sides

So she's antagonizing by responding to people who want to rape and murder her

Also yes they are because they actually exist. There is no epidemic of """"""anti-gg"""""" threatening, stalking, and doxxing GGers.

Also, you can't support GG without being a misogynist for the same reason you can't support the KKK without being racist - even if you don't have any problem with black people and are just looking out for "white rights."

It's not. I'm reading it off my own free will. I play games and I read about em. This topic is the hot topic on a website I frequent so I just wanted to know what the fuss is about. As I said I'm not familiar to the gamergate nonsense aand I've mostly ignored it but apparently it's a big deal.

You came into a thread and complained that the thread existed. I don't even think you're allowed to do that.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Okay, kids and individuals with mental problems harassing her.

With all due respect, there is a lot of fanaticism involving her.

People using the "controversy" to prop up their own channels... opportunists riding her coattails.

I don't buy into the whole idea that there is an organized hate campaign out there.

There are fucked up people in this World.

She is more than able to continue doing what she's doing but what is the expected outcome? For three years she's put up with this! It makes me question her motives.

If there was no money in it would she continue? Unlikely (reality of life).

Is she making a difference? Hopefully.

Would an example of something done right be better than continuing to highlight what is wrong (as if it was isolated to videogames)? I think so. It would be a more positive approach.

 

[Dryk]

Gosh, he must really know what he's talking about

That's not what I mean. I was agreeing with kcp that dismissing this stuff as the actions of children with no life is disingenuous. Thunderf00t isn't some stupid kid, he's an accomplished scientist. It's really disappointing but it's the truth.

EDIT: Okay now we've got bingo

 

[More_Badass]

Not knowing her motives, it is not.

If she is not sincere then it is stoking the fires.

I apologize if you think she deserves the benefit of the doubt but I don't know her.

I have trouble believing an adult is going to harass her over criticism of videogames.

Its a bunch of stupid kids on the internet.

Why not turn off the comments? I'm sorry but its just bizarre to me. If you think I'm saying I know its her fault then you misread. This World is full of people that are wolves in sheeps' clothing. If she is above scrutiny, then ban me.

The sad and scary part is that some of the bigger harassers and instigators in this GamerGate BS have been adults. Just because you're an adult doesn't mean you can't have shitty insane beliefs

 

[A Link to the Past]

Okay, kids and individuals with mental problems harassing her.

With all due respect, there is a lot of fanaticism involving her.

People using the "controversy" to prop up their own channels... opportunists riding her coattails.

I don't buy into the whole idea that there is an organized hate campaign out there.

There are fucked up people in this World.

She is more than able to continue doing what she's doing but what is the expected outcome? For three years she's put up with this! It makes me question her motives.

If there was no money in it would she continue? Unlikely (reality of life).

Is she making a difference? Hopefully.

Would an example of something done right be better than continuing to highlight what is wrong (as if it was isolated to videogames)? I think so. It would be a more positive approach.

Don't be an ableist, that's shitty. Stop pretending that the only people who are doing this are children and people with serious mental disorders. It does nothing more than absolve them of responsibility, and it's pathetic whenever someone makes that suggestion.

Also, are you implying that because she didn't allow a hate campaign (yes, the hate against Anita and other women in the industry is specifically organized, there's tons of documentation) force her out of the industry, you don't trust her?

 

[SuperOrez]

So she's antagonizing by responding to people who want to rape and murder her

Also yes they are because they actually exist. There is no epidemic of """"""anti-gg"""""" threatening, stalking, and doxxing GGers.

Also, you can't support GG without being a misogynist for the same reason you can't support the KKK without being racist - even if you don't have any problem with black people and are just looking out for "white rights."



You came into a thread and complained that the thread existed. I don't even think you're allowed to do that.

My intent want to complain about the thread but about the behavior. But yeah I see how my first post was terrible.

 

[More_Badass]

Okay, kids and individuals with mental problems harassing her.

With all due respect, there is a lot of fanaticism involving her.

People using the "controversy" to prop up their own channels... opportunists riding her coattails.

I don't buy into the whole idea that there is an organized hate campaign out there.

There are fucked up people in this World.

She is more than able to continue doing what she's doing but what is the expected outcome? For three years she's put up with this! It makes me question her motives.

If there was no money in it would she continue? Unlikely (reality of life).

Is she making a difference? Hopefully.

Would an example of something done right be better than continuing to highlight what is wrong (as if it was isolated to videogames)? I think so. It would be a more positive approach.

Oh okay, thanks for making your point clear

 

[DoktorEvil]

That's not what I mean. I was agreeing with kcp that dismissing this stuff as the actions of children with no life is disingenuous. Thunderf00t isn't some stupid kid, he's an accomplished scientist. It's really disappointing but it's the truth.

HG Wells and Alexander Graham Bell were at one time supporters of eugenics.

Sometimes intelligent and accomplished people do some dumb as shit things.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

The whole antagonized men thing was more from the beginning of her video in the OP, should have mentioned that. And the people threatening Anita are no worse than the people threatening GG supporters. I saw one guy have himself and his parents doxed because he openly supported GG. What I was pointing out is that had that happened to a anti GG tumble user for example, it would have been a huge fucking problem, but since it was a GG supporter, no one cared. For example, I should be able to support GG (for the sake of keeping all this drama out of gaming) without being called a misogynist or accused of doxing. It's not like every GG supporter sends her rape threats etc., but she makes it out like they do. And some feminists mhave done the same thing as these GG doxers, and are just called bad feminists. All I'm saying is that it should be the same for both sides

At this point if someone is still a GG supporter You cannot blame people if they think he's a misoginistic asshole even if he's genuinely iconcerned about ethics in games journalism.

If you support all that but don't want to be represented by a hate mob then get out of there, organize a true movements that's not just a fucking hashtag and do something.

 

[Shaanyboi]

The whole antagonized men thing was more from the beginning of her video in the OP, should have mentioned that. And the people threatening Anita are no worse than the people threatening GG supporters. I saw one guy have himself and his parents doxed because he openly supported GG. What I was pointing out is that had that happened to a anti GG tumble user for example, it would have been a huge fucking problem, but since it was a GG supporter, no one cared. For example, I should be able to support GG (for the sake of keeping all this drama out of gaming) without being called a misogynist or accused of doxing. It's not like every GG supporter sends her rape threats etc., but she makes it out like they do. And some feminists mhave done the same thing as these GG doxers, and are just called bad feminists. All I'm saying is that it should be the same for both sides

Gamergate is literally a fucking hate-movement against women and those who would want to discuss anything involving representation. No, you don't just support GG and act as if that there isn't this giant poisonous element of it.

The whole "ethics in games journalism" debate is completely drowned out by everything else surrounding it, and anyone who thinks that there's still a discussion to be had while associating with said-movement is just fucking naive.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Don't be an ableist, that's shitty. Stop pretending that the only people who are doing this are children and people with serious mental disorders. It does nothing more than absolve them of responsibility, and it's pathetic whenever someone makes that suggestion.

Also, are you implying that because she didn't allow a hate campaign (yes, the hate against Anita and other women in the industry is specifically organized, there's tons of documentation) force her out of the industry, you don't trust her?

Source request to sane and well-adjusted people abusing her on the internet.

Abelist, oh man... your delfection is toxic to the truth and I find that gross.