DQX (the mmorpg one) for Wii was released a few months ago.iirc DQ from wii was moved to wiiu correct?
Even before the release it was known to be planned for WiiU too.
DQX (the mmorpg one) for Wii was released a few months ago.iirc DQ from wii was moved to wiiu correct?
Take that they have Monster Hunter, Pokemon, and Dragon Quest
I think people are putting way too much into this - especially when it comes to MH.
It's a great bonus game, but it's still a console version of a game already available on the 3DS. As per MH3rdP HD - i expect it to better due to the push and focus - but saying "and it has Monster Hunter" somewhat misses that it's simply a HD port of a game whose popularity is now clearly with handhelds.
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I feel that if you are a gamer that mostly buys Japanese games the WiiU will be your main system next gen.
Because Japan prefers handhelds to consoles. Plus with Xbox 720 and PS4 most likely being bigger in the west, and more powerful there's a strong chance U will be excluded from multiplatform games from Japanese third parties.
If Sony prices PS4 right, then U could be facing a difficult time.
Because Japan prefers handhelds to consoles. Plus with Xbox 720 and PS4 most likely being bigger in the west, and more powerful there's a strong chance U will be excluded from multiplatform games from Japanese third parties.
If Sony prices PS4 right, then U could be facing a difficult time.
Issue is if PS4 prices it right. Chances are the Ps4 will be a lot more expensive than the wii u in Japan, (the wii u is already almost the price of the ps3), chance of the ps4 being in that ball park are low. Which will likely be a major differentiator between the two, seeing as western multiplat support isn't that important in Japan, it comes down to whether the Sony doesn't price itself out of the Japanese market like the Vita and how much Japanese third party support Nintendo can court.
Lack of Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, and Metal Gear don't confirm it. And then there's all the B tier RPG series that Nintendo missed out on this gen.
That's also the main reason it will dominate. Nintendo missed the connectivity boat with Wii and DS.So far the biggest reason it won't dominate is the 3DS.
Right now, Wii is an outlier case. Nintendo's efforts in the preceding two generations failed to dominate Japan, and it seems to me in terms of software offerings WiiU is pitching itself far closer to GameCube/N64 than Wii, so precisely why WiiU is such a certainty to the OP is kind of odd to me.
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Because Japan prefers handhelds to consoles. Plus with Xbox 720 and PS4 most likely being bigger in the west, and more powerful there's a strong chance U will be excluded from multiplatform games from Japanese third parties.
If Sony prices PS4 right, then U could be facing a difficult time.
So the system that launched 6 years ago, that is still selling software when big games hit, the system Wii U is named after...that is the outlier.
Not the 2 systems before that which came out over a decade ago.
schuelma said:So the system that launched 6 years ago, that is still selling software when big games hit, the system Wii U is named after...that is the outlier.
DeaconKnowledge said:Nintendo systems are bombs by default in Japan.
Yes. Same way that PS3 performance is an outlier compared it its predecessors. The name doesn't mean a damn thing.
Also, look at Wii's sales for the past two years, and the fact that Y2D its actually selling less than Vita is!
The Wii brand is not hot anymore, and with only a 12m install base in the region its hardly due to total saturation.
Yes. Same way that PS3 performance is an outlier compared it its predecessors. The name doesn't mean a damn thing.
Also, look at Wii's sales for the past two years, and the fact that Y2D its actually selling less than Vita is!
The Wii brand is not hot anymore, and with only a 12m install base in the region its hardly due to total saturation.
Not bombs, just not dominant when faced with opposition from Sony and MS.
Not bombs, just not dominant when faced with opposition from Sony and MS.
Not bombs, just not dominant when faced with opposition from Sony and MS.
Even Kojima might come around when faced with market realities. He did with Xbox 360.I can't see this outside of rare titles like Kojima games who basicaly act like a second party to Sony. I just don't see Japanese developers driven by tech like Western devs are especially considering Japan's lack of a PC market.
Presumably saturated with every known permutation of Call of Duty if you look at the global picture, at least.Off the top of your head, what would you guess the break down is on top 20 best selling console games of last generation between Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft.
Agreed 100%It will go pretty much same way as this gen but with smaller numbers (I expect that home console market continues to shrink in Japan). From big third party titles Wii U will get MH and DQ and PS4 will get MGS, RE and FF because those titles wil sell more in west than in Japan and in west there is console called xbox (I assume that PS4 and X720 will be a lot ahead of WiiU when it comes to power). RE5 is best selling RE game, FFXIII did well and MGS4 did well. I really don't see why these would go to Wii U as that would be jump to unknown.
software coming out during the launch window in Japan that are sequels to the two biggest selling console games of the last generation.
this is one of those things that gets mentioned all the time but hasn't really been true in my experience. last time i was in japan (2008) everyone had an hdtv.
also yes I'm at least hoping that wii u becomes the main Japanese console.
Off the top of your head, what would you guess the break down is on top 20 best selling console games of last generation between Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft.
1 Wii 2009-12-03 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Nintendo 4,391,312
2 Wii 2006-12-02 Wii Sports Nintendo 3,682,754
3 Wii 2007-12-01 Wii Fit Nintendo 3,561,787
4 Wii 2008-04-10 Mario Kart Wii Nintendo 3,521,387
5 Wii 2009-06-25 Wii Sports Resort Nintendo 2,934,504
6 Wii 2006-12-02 Wii Play Nintendo 2,800,615
7 Wii 2009-10-01 Wii Fit Plus Nintendo 2,336,182
8 Wii 2010-07-08 Wii Party Nintendo 2,302,907
9 Wii 2008-01-31 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Nintendo 2,094,464
10 PS3 2009-12-17 Final Fantasy XIII Square Enix 1,904,313
11 Wii 2007-07-26 Mario Party 8 Nintendo 1,427,575
12 Wii 2008-11-20 Animal Crossing: City Folk Nintendo 1,221,459
13 Wii 2009-08-01 Monster Hunter 3 Capcom 1,070,743
14 Wii 2007-11-01 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 1,017,287
15 Wii 2010-05-27 Super Mario Galaxy 2 Nintendo 1,003,763
16 Wii 2010-12-09 Donkey Kong Country Returns Nintendo 952,018
17 Wii 2010-10-21 Super Mario All-Stars Nintendo 916,410
18 PS3 2011-12-15 Final Fantasy XIII-2 Square Enix 797,986
19 PS3 2012-03-01 One Piece: Pirate Warriors Namco Bandai Games 790,812
20 PS3 2008-06-12 Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Konami 706,461
Yep exact same as this gen. Just like it did for 3DS/Vita.
i've ben working all night through to morning, so i'm throwing a blank as to what the second title is.
NSMB U and... (Wii Fit?) ?
Well, judging from that list of games, I would say the problem, if you want to call it that, is that non-gamers are clearly more interested in non-games.The worse is that ..just look at the situation in Japan. They clearly reject any expensive high tech machine. Even the WiiU will be too expensive at launch.
It's different, but not completely. If PS4 somehow loses FF, it's going to pull a Vita.Situation of Vita is completely different. I really don't see how you can compare it to what will happen with home consoles next gen. Whole ecosystem of PSP was built around one game in Japan (MH that sells only Japan too) and in west PSP had been dead for years and sold next to nothing when it came to software. Compare this to PS3 that has several big third party franchises in Japan and is the best selling console in west at the moment and will probably be very much alive even when PS4 launches. Not to mention that in handheld space there is no xbox. In home console space there is and as MS and Sony will probably again launch consoles that are a lot more powerful than Wii publishers have to make decision that will they go with Wii U or PS4/720. I really don't see reason why series like MGS, FF or RE would go to Wii U as they sold great numbers this gen on PS3/360 despite PS3 being outsold by Wii in Japan. It's not rocket science.
The worse is that ..just look at the situation in Japan. They clearly reject any expensive high tech machine. Even the WiiU will be too expensive at launch
Take away Mario RPG, Pokemon, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts and a few odd ones like Inazuma Eleven (Europe) or Dragon Quest (when "pushed") what's the RPG from Japan that sell good (and for good I mean really *good*) in the west ?
Japan is still the main market for japanese developed RPG but RPGs as a genre is down compared the past (SNES/PS1) no doubt.
Look at some PS1 charts if you can.
That is in a time when if you want to push graphics in a content-rich genre like RPG it come at a cost that mean you need to sell a minimum number of units to be worth to do it.
It's no surprise we witnessed a shift onto handhelds this past generation.
It's different, but not completely. If PS4 somehow loses FF, it's going to pull a Vita.
And earlier upthread we already went into the logistics of Japanese devs going bleeding edge for the west again. Wii U's going to end up closer to PS4 than Wii did to PS3, there new opportunities there and both platform holders are coming into things in a much different situation than they did last gen. No 3DS/Vita isn't exactly like Wii U/PS4, but then Wii/PS3 isn't either.
Yes. Same way that PS3 performance is an outlier compared it its predecessors. The name doesn't mean a damn thing.
Also, look at Wii's sales for the past two years, and the fact that Y2D its actually selling less than Vita is!
The Wii brand is not hot anymore, and with only a 12m install base in the region its hardly due to total saturation.
Not bombs, just not dominant when faced with opposition from Sony and MS.
Wii wasn't capable of running RE5/6, FFXIII/2 and MGS4, so it didn't get them. Much like how DS wasn't capable if running MHP1-3. It's shortsighted to say anything about where these games are guaranteed to go next gen. FFXIII shipped a decent amount in the end but it's development was problematic to say the least and it's star has fallen considerably in the west. XIII-2 and XIV both bombed hard, and XIV's A Realm Reborn revovery effort is looking iffy at best. RE5 and RE6 have both sold incredibly well (even though the latter is still going to miss it's targets), but then so did RE games on Wii and RE6's bloated resource demands led to a controversial end product that may end up damaging the brand long term. MGS4 did okay with it's herculean push, Rising went through dev hell before Platinum saved it and now Ground Zeros is going multi and likely releasing on last gen hardware after next gen launches. There really is room for opportunity and incentive for all these franchises going forward on all 3 consoles, especially with a "hungry" Nintendo on the offensive and it's not like Nintendo doesn't present a large worldwide base either. It really isn't all that different from Monster Hunter, which easily could've gotten by with PSP level assets on Vita. It still could honestly, I wouldn't entirely rule out MH Vita even tiday.MH was PSP exlusive just because DS couldn't run game like MH. With 3DS Nintendo had handheld that could run MH and as DS pretty much dominated whole world during last gen there was little reason to go with Vita especially as MH sold next to nothing in west(and in handheld space Nintendo dominated in the west too). Situation with FF is completely different. They went with HD consoles because they believe that graphics and production values are one of main pillars of why FF sells in the west and as despite the questionable quality of end product XIII went to ship over 6 million copies I see little reason to change the platform. I also believe that the gap between Wii U and PS4/X720 will be smaller than last gen but it will still be so sizable that you pretty much have to make completely different game look wise depending do you develope to Wii U or PS4/720. I missed the conversation of future of Japanese developers but as RE, MGS and FF went to sell so good numbers this gen what is the problem? Not to mention that I think that because of how Japanese developers struggled this gen with modern PC like architecture I think next gen will be actually easier for them. S-E is already developing their coss platfrom next gen engine (luminous) compared to this gen where XIII, XIV and Versus (lol) each one had different engine. Konami has FOX engine and Capcom that already did well this gen has probably next version of MT framework in their developing pipeline.
Even Kojima might come around when faced with market realities. He did with Xbox 360.
Wii wasn't capable of running RE5/6, FFXIII/2 and MGS4, so it didn't get them. Much like how DS wasn't capable if running MHP1-3. It's shortsighted to say anything about where these games are guaranteed to go next gen. FFXIII shipped a decent amount in the end but it's development was problematic to say the least and it's star has fallen considerably in the west. XIII-2 and XIV both bombed hard, and XIV's A Realm Reborn revovery effort is looking iffy at best. RE5 and RE6 have both sold incredibly well (even though the latter is still going to miss it's targets), but then so did RE games on Wii and RE6's bloated resource demands led to a controversial end product that may end up damaging the brand long term. MGS4 did okay with it's herculean push, Rising went through dev hell before Platinum saved it and now Ground Zeros is going multi and likely releasing on last gen hardware after next gen launches. There really is room for opportunity and incentive for all these franchises going forward on all 3 consoles, especially with a "hungry" Nintendo on the offensive and it's not like Nintendo doesn't present a large worldwide base either. It really isn't all that different from Monster Hunter, which easily could've gotten by with PSP level assets on Vita. It still could honestly, I wouldn't entirely rule out MH Vita even tiday.
btw, XIII, XIV and Versus all use White Engine / Crystal Tools. It's evolved over the years, but it's the same base engine. A Realm Reborn does evidently move to a new engine (that isn't Luminous Engine?) if that's what you're thinking of.
So far the biggest reason it won't dominate is the 3DS.