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LCfiner said:
So will Apple Gaf stone me if I say that I agree with Marty Chinn about the “swipe to delete” thing?

Like, Apple never really says anywhere in the UI that it’s a gesture. I remember seeing it in the intro video in 2007 but that’s it. I think it might be listed ion the “finger tips” booklet but it’s hardly good design to say RTFM. some third party apps might make a note of it but that’s up to other devs.

personally, all I think Apple would need to do is a little text blurb below a list of podcasts or videos saying you can swipe across them to delete them. make the feature obvious. don’t leave it up to chance.

It would be the exact same idea they use in the iPhone iTunes store where they give some text telling you to tap once on an icon to hear a song and twice to take you to the album. you wouldn’t know if they didn’t tell you.

also, good to be back after a 30 day lurking hiatus. I’m really proud to have made it on Tobor’s gaf spreadsheet during my absence :lol
I agree, but I was trying to hint at Marty that it's a hidden option by design. It's exactly like a hidden Advanced options menu that only people that really need the option will find. Otherwise, Apple doesn't want you to know or care that you can delete those things, or else they would have put a Delete button there.
 
New version of the C-Span App for iPhone:

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Can Pandora be far behind?
 
numble said:
That is a nice cheat code.

I can confirm that the background streaming works great.

I booted up the app on the iPhone running a 3G-only connection, and my laptop through wifi, and ran the same stream. In background streaming over 3G, the iPhone is about 45 seconds behind the regular stream, but sounds very good, with just as high quality as the regular stream.

They need to get these API hooks into the Pandora App ASAP!

Future said:
Hah never realized that safari always runs in the background. Good workaround

iPhone OS actually does a lot of multitasking. It's just that a lot of it is hidden, unless somebody taps into it.
 
My girlfriend and I think we saw someone with an iPad while we were out at dinner last night. She's obsessed with the iPad so it made her very excited. I suppose it's possible since we have a lot of Apple engineers in the city but it really could have been any other similarly sized device. All I can say is that the device was smaller than I expected. If I was seeing this correctly, the guy was able to fit it in one of his larger coat pockets.
 
Future said:
Hah never realized that safari always runs in the background. Good workaround

Fantastic. This works with any audio stream launched from Safari. I just tried it with the live.twit.tv audio stream and it works. Video streams appear to stop, however.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
I can confirm that the background streaming works great.

I booted up the app on the iPhone running a 3G-only connection, and my laptop through wifi, and ran the same stream. In background streaming over 3G, the iPhone is about 45 seconds behind the regular stream, but sounds very good, with just as high quality as the regular stream.
So what happens when you leave the app and return to it? It knows that a stream is already open?
 
numble said:
So what happens when you leave the app and return to it? It knows that a stream is already open?

Hang on...I'll check.

EDIT: It fades the background stream down and brings the foreground stream up. Leaving the C-Span radio app, you can go back to Safari, and press "play" in that window, and your background stream will continue.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Hang on...I'll check.

EDIT: It fades the background stream down and brings the foreground stream up. Leaving the C-Span radio app, you can go back to Safari, and press "play" in that window, and your background stream will continue.

Hmm, interesting development.
 
The background streaming works with games, too!

If a game gives you the option to listen to your own music or listen to game sounds, (like Flight Control, for example) you can listen to your background stream while playing the game.

Come on Pandora!
 
Pristine_Condition said:
The background streaming works with games, too!

If a game gives you the option to listen to your own music or listen to game sounds, (like Flight Control, for example) you can listen to your background stream while playing the game.

Come on Pandora!

Hmm. Perhaps this is the method Apple will use for multitasking?
 
esquire said:
My girlfriend and I think we saw someone with an iPad while we were out at dinner last night. She's obsessed with the iPad so it made her very excited. I suppose it's possible since we have a lot of Apple engineers in the city but it really could have been any other similarly sized device. All I can say is that the device was smaller than I expected. If I was seeing this correctly, the guy was able to fit it in one of his larger coat pockets.

You sure it wasn't a Nook or Kindle? They could appear similar at quick glance, and they are far easier to drop into a pocket than the 10" iPad is going to be.

Vyse The Legend said:
Any guess when preorders will start? February 25th turned out to be a bust.

I'm guessing this week. It's March now, and time for Apple to crank up the hype machine some.
 
The background streaming works the same way as iTunes songs work when receiving phone calls as well. It fades down the audio stream when a call is recieved, and when you hang up, the stream fades back in. I'm pretty impressed.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
New version of the C-Span App for iPhone:

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Can Pandora be far behind?[/QUOTE]

The radio streaming app “Internet Radio Box” has this “background” streaming option too.
I know I’ve been streaming podcasts from Safari, in the background, for a while now. good to see 3rd party apps take advantage of this.
 
LCfiner said:
The radio streaming app “Internet Radio Box” has this “background” streaming option too.
I know I’ve been streaming podcasts from Safari, in the background, for a while now. good to see 3rd party apps take advantage of this.

I can't believe that it's been around this long in Safari, and I never took advantage of it...
 
Pristine_Condition said:
I can't believe that it's been around this long in Safari, and I never took advantage of it...

this is what gets me laughing about this recent multitasking talk. there’s so much confusion about it. I think it’s funny to go back to the 2007 macworld reveal and see how one of the key features Jobs talks about with regards to the iPhone running OS X is… multitasking.

I remember the original Apple iPhone tech page showing how mail and safari and the phone and iPod apps all run in the background.

But since all the talk now on the web is dominated by 3rd party app multitasking, we tend to forget what the iPhone can actually do sometimes and overlook the obvious.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
I can't believe that it's been around this long in Safari, and I never took advantage of it...

Yeah, the ESPN Radio app has done this forever. Problem was, it gives you the option to stream in Mobile Safari, and I never saw the point, because I wanted to listen while I was browsing the Internet, and (as far as I know) you can't do that.

Then I closed Safari to check my email once, and the stream kept going, and my mind was officially blown. It would be awesome if more services took advantage of this.
 
Yeah, i'm surprised developers weren't using this functionality before, either. It's never been the iPod app that had the backgrounding option, it was the QuickTime/AV foundation itself that the iPod app operates from that was able to sit in the background across other apps. It's already running every time the phone is on anyways, so why developers weren't finding a way to exploit that is a mystery. And if you can pull that functionality from other apps, then the #1 complaint about app multi-tasking is crushed for good.
 
Official iPad thread coming soon, this reveal thread will soon be closed.

New thread will have the same rules, no charges of fanboyism or Apple hatred, also new thread will not allow either pro or anti-Flash arguments, there's no new ground on that issue that hasn't been covered in this thread.
 
Interesting article at Ars technica from Jon Stokes. Says that the Apple A4 is not an A9 variant but instead an A8 with some I/O stuff stripped out to run leaner.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2010/02/meet-the-a4-the-ipads-brain.ars

As I watched the videos and read the reports of the iPad in action at the launch event, I was thoroughly convinced that the device was built on the out-of-order Cortex A9, possibly even a dual-core version. But it turns out that the the A4 is a 1GHz custom SoC with a single Cortex A8 core and a PowerVR SGX GPU. The fact that A4 uses a single A8 core hasn't been made public, but I've heard from multiple sources who are certain for different reasons that this is indeed the case. (I wish I could be more specific, but I can't.)

In all, the A4 is quite comparable to the other Cortex A8-based SoCs that are coming onto the market, except that the A4 has even less hardware. The iPad doesn't have much in the way of I/O, so the A4 itself can do away with the I/O that it doesn't need. In contrast, the typical Cortex A8-based SoC has more I/O hardware than a mobile phone can use, because you never know what customers will need which interface types.


Not that I care so much about the nitty gritty of hardware details but I found it an interesting read and it's first bit of actual info (I trust Ars) about the A4 that isn't rampant speculation.
 
The main highlight that people who have used the iPad is their claim of how fast it is. I'm no silicon engineer, but how big of a difference does cutting a few i/o buses have in terms of speed? Especially on an already speed optimized ARM core?

The article still reeks of speculation. The SDK seems to contradict some of his guesses, like no camera or video.
 
Vennt said:
Official iPad thread coming soon, this reveal thread will soon be closed.

New thread will have the same rules, no charges of fanboyism or Apple hatred, also new thread will not allow either pro or anti-Flash arguments, there's no new ground on that issue that hasn't been covered in this thread.
Excellent news.
 
Uh-oh.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...n_hit_by_manufacturing_bottleneck_report.html

AppleInsider said:
Apple iPad production hit by 'manufacturing bottleneck' - report

By Neil Hughes
Published: 10:05 AM EST

Availability of Apple's forthcoming iPad may be limited when it launches later this month, due to an "unspecified production problem" that could restrict the number of shipped units to just 300,000.

In a note to investors issued Monday, analyst Peter Misek with Canaccord Adams said the issues could limit the initial launch to be in the U.S. only. He also speculated that Apple could even delay the launch of the iPad by a month due to alleged production issues.

"The upcoming iPad launch may be somewhat limited as a manufacturing bottleneck has impacted production of Apple's newest device," Misek wrote. "An unspecified production problem at the iPad's manufacturer, Hon Hai Precision, will likely limit the launch region to the US and the number of units available to roughly 300K in the month of march, far lower than the company's initial estimate of 1,000K units."

"The delay in production ramp will likely impact Apple's April unit estimate of 800K as well. It is also possible that, given the limited number of units available in March, the launch will be delayed for a month."

Given the potential constraints, Misek believes Apple will sell 550,000 units in its third financial quarter of 2010, which ends in June. The lower numbers do not reflect lesser demand, but are simply due to the prospect of a production delay.

Misek believes that Apple will sell 1.2 million iPad units in its 2010 fiscal year after all production issues are alleviated. He has forecast sales of 3.5 million iPads in the company's 2011 fiscal year. Those predictions fall in the middle of Wall Street's expectations of between 1 million and 5 million iPad sales in the first calendar year.

"We believe that the only material impact from the iPad delay could come in the form of frustrated consumers and some modest loss of lustre for the company's product launch," he wrote.

Considering they haven't announced a launch date anyway, maybe just delay it? Not ideal maybe, but if they're having production troubles...

I kinda hope this analyst's information is wrong. Would suck to see supplies constrained as that brings out the eBay opportunists. :\
 
mrklaw said:
yeah, but if its real, it might mean US launch only, until supply picks up. We still don't have a price for the UK..

yeah, same for Canada. there's been no international pricing update for the past 30 days.

I'd be a little concerned if we don't get some info in the next couple weeks. at least for the wi-fi version.
 
I'm really hoping that story isn't real, as I'm about to sell off my netbook as I was planning on having my iPad when I go on a trip in the beginning of April. It would really suck to not have it, as it was going to be very useful in a variety of ways.

Yikes, that is a disappointing.
 
Intentionally limiting supply to artificially inflate demand perhaps? Wouldn't be shocked, but we'll likely never know.
 
LCfiner said:
controlled leak to spur pre-orders ;)
Limited supply to increase demand. ;)

And finding out that the iPad is still using a Cortex-A8 was the last straw for me being interested in this generation of the iPad. Now I'm definitely looking into getting an iPhone or iPod Touch. Though I wonder if they're just going to get the same piece of silicon? Oh well. The iPad is a much more computer level device, where that extra bit of speed would be more important.
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
Limited supply to increase demand. ;)

And finding out that the iPad is still using a Cortex-A8 was the last straw for me being interested in this generation of the iPad. Now I'm definitely looking into getting an iPhone or iPod Touch. Though I wonder if they're just going to get the same piece of silicon? Oh well. The iPad is a much more computer level device, where that extra bit of speed would be more important.

but everyone who has used an iPad says that it's blazing fast and way faster than the iPhone. so what does it matter what chip architecture it's based on if the real world result is that it's already super fast?

certainly there are reasons not to get an iPad, i just don't see the chip architecture being one of them. not when the thing already runs quickly.
 
I am somewhat comforted by Macrumors' note about this new report:

Macrumors said:
The source and veracity of Misek's information is unknown, although it is perhaps wise to note that Misek predicted that Apple's January media event that saw the introduction of the iPad would also include the introduction of iPhone OS 4.0 and an announcement regarding a Verizon-compatible iPhone for mid-2010, neither of which came to fruition.
 
LCfiner said:
but everyone who has used an iPad says that it's blazing fast and way faster than the iPhone. so what does it matter what chip architecture it's based on if the real world result is that it's already super fast?

certainly there are reasons not to get an iPad, i just don't see the chip architecture being one of them. not when the thing already runs quickly.
Exactly. Complaining about the chip architecture is ridiculous when the hands on videos and impressions were so positive. It's a fast, powerful chip, full stop.
 
esquire said:
My girlfriend and I think we saw someone with an iPad while we were out at dinner last night. She's obsessed with the iPad so it made her very excited. I suppose it's possible since we have a lot of Apple engineers in the city but it really could have been any other similarly sized device. All I can say is that the device was smaller than I expected. If I was seeing this correctly, the guy was able to fit it in one of his larger coat pockets.
Stephen Colbert fit an iPad into his coat pocket at the... what was it, the Emmies? The Grammies? That's where I plan to keep mine, as I tend to wear sports coats fairly often.
 
WordAssassin said:
Stephen Colbert fit an iPad into his coat pocket at the... what was it, the Emmies? The Grammies? That's where I plan to keep mine, as I tend to wear sports coats fairly often.
:lol Are you going to sew a gigantic pocket in, or build some kind of shoulder holster?
 
Sentry said:
Saw that the other day.. didn't even make me crack a smile. Realistically though, next up is a touchscreen iMac.
They'll have to rework the OS so much if they release one. People complain about Windows based tablets for the same reason--the OS isn't designed for that. Maybe they'll release a trackpad though.
 
numble said:
They'll have to rework the OS so much if they release one. People complain about Windows based tablets for the same reason--the OS isn't designed for that. Maybe they'll release a trackpad though.
Yup, I expect a more 'true' merge of the iPhone OS with Leopard OS X, basically throwing in all the visual UI from the mobile into Leopard, hell maybe even as OS XI (probably not).

I can imagine it, a 20-22" screen on a unique stand that allows you to tilt it however much you like. I'd imagine this would be a good time to implement their patented 'capacitive' touch screens (i.e. for better keyboard) as well as pressure detection for stylus use with graphic programs.. Basically, imo, touch is going to be the future of Mac and Apple in general.

maharg said:
So.. an iBoard, then?
Basically, but widescreen and not portable. :lol
 
numble said:
They'll have to rework the OS so much if they release one. People complain about Windows based tablets for the same reason--the OS isn't designed for that. Maybe they'll release a trackpad though.

I think the trackpad is a definite, especially following all the reports of Apple trademarking the "Magic Pad" name. And I have to say, after using my MacBook with the multitouch trackpad for more than a year now, using a regular mouse on my desktop at home or at the office, just sucks. I'll by a trackpad add on day one.
 
WordAssassin said:
Did Colbert? I wasn't kidding, he actually had a real iPad in his coat pocket.

If it turns out he did have a special pocket sewn into his jacket just to hold it, then whatever, I'll just get a messenger bag or something for it. *shrug*


the iPad is 8" wide and almost 10" tall. do you have a pocket that big?

it'll fit fine in a messenger bag, of course. although, a shoulder holster would be more crazy and unexpected :)




the iMat really made me laugh. I'd get one of those fo sho!
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I think the trackpad is a definite, especially following all the reports of Apple trademarking the "Magic Pad" name. And I have to say, after using my MacBook with the multitouch trackpad for more than a year now, using a regular mouse on my desktop at home or at the office, just sucks. I'll by a trackpad add on day one.


if it was PC compatible I'd buy one for work. I get hand cramps these days using a mouse all day.
 
WordAssassin said:
Did Colbert? I wasn't kidding, he actually had a real iPad in his coat pocket.

If it turns out he did have a special pocket sewn into his jacket just to hold it, then whatever, I'll just get a messenger bag or something for it. *shrug*
Come on dude, you honestly think that fit in his stock coat pocket? He had wardrobe sew a huge pocket in there, it was a gag.
 
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