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[PhoncipleBone]

problem solved, MartyChinn!

adds more $$$ to the total price, but im sure if the Pad is a hit you'll see hundreds of kickstand solutions.

Now if it covers the screen with a clear shell that still works, I am all over that case.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I prefer writing my notes down in class. :lol But yeah, to each his own.

I do too but this way it's digital I don't care if I type or write down but I really like having them in digital form lately for me studying and also to give to people if they miss class. I don't care if it's hand written or typed but a "complete" solution for me is what I'm hoping so I'm kind of on the fence until it gets talked about more and what 3rd party apps join it also.

 

[giga]

You know those Flash games that have controls with a keyboard? Oh yeah, that's not gonna work too well.

 

[mrkgoo]

Out of curiosity, I see those three 'port's. I'm guessing they're the speakers and mic openings. But why 3? It doesn't make sense to have stereo speakers at the same place.

 

[Marty Chinn]

FFS dude FFS. You guys brought up the I can do better for $500 and then use $200 for the price of the netbook to make your argument. Don't say bullshit you can't back up then. You're getting crazier than you usually get.

Fine, here:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1813455

Acer 10.1" Aspire One AOD250-1371 Netbook PC:

# 1.6GHz Intel Atom N270 processor offers low energy consumption, a 533MHz frontside bus, and 512KB L2 cache

# Intel Performance to go

Battery life and processor power brought together for a great mobile experience with Intel Processing Technology. To learn more about Intel Processors Click Here
# 1GB of DDR2 single-channel system memory at 667Hz handles basic applications and is upgradeable to 2GB

# 160GB SATA hard drive stores up to 45,000 photos, or up to 39,000 songs, or up to 19 hours of HD video and more

# 10.1" CrystalBrite LED-backlit display provides 1024 x 600 resolution for an optimal Web browsing experience

# Acer Crystal Eye Webcam and digital microphone deliver smooth video streaming and superior voice quality to help you stay in touch

# Wireless Wi-Fi and wired Ethernet enable you to connect to a broadband modem (cable or DSL) wirelessly or using the wired 10/100 Ethernet port


# Additional Features: Amethyst Purple
# 3-cell rechargeable battery
# Thin, light design is only 1" thin and weighs just under 2.5 lbs.
# Multi-gesture touchpad lets you pinch, flick and swirl your fingers to navigate Web pages, photos, spreadsheets and more
# Integrated audio with stereo speakers
# Dolby headphone technology reproduces more engaging sound with astonishing realism and intensity
# Ports: USB 2.0 (3), VGA Video Output, Headphone Jack & Microphone Jack

$199

And if that doesn't make you happy, then I'll amend it to this:

$249 + $199 <= $500

http://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=183403...ffiliateID=NKa3hZyYoHA-YBuIM6R3gNsJ2Byk6kdPWQ

The core point still stands.

 

[mrkgoo]

You know those Flash games that have controls with a keyboard? Oh yeah, that's not gonna work too well.

:lol.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Out of curiosity, I see those three 'port's. I'm guessing they're the speakers and mic openings. But why 3? It doesn't make sense to have stereo speakers at the same place.

They are right next to each other though? Unless I'm misunderstanding you?

Fine, here:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1813455

Acer 10.1" Aspire One AOD250-1371 Netbook PC:

# 1.6GHz Intel Atom N270 processor offers low energy consumption, a 533MHz frontside bus, and 512KB L2 cache

# Intel Performance to go

Battery life and processor power brought together for a great mobile experience with Intel Processing Technology. To learn more about Intel Processors Click Here
# 1GB of DDR2 single-channel system memory at 667Hz handles basic applications and is upgradeable to 2GB

# 160GB SATA hard drive stores up to 45,000 photos, or up to 39,000 songs, or up to 19 hours of HD video and more

# 10.1" CrystalBrite LED-backlit display provides 1024 x 600 resolution for an optimal Web browsing experience

# Acer Crystal Eye Webcam and digital microphone deliver smooth video streaming and superior voice quality to help you stay in touch

# Wireless Wi-Fi and wired Ethernet enable you to connect to a broadband modem (cable or DSL) wirelessly or using the wired 10/100 Ethernet port


# Additional Features: Amethyst Purple
# 3-cell rechargeable battery
# Thin, light design is only 1" thin and weighs just under 2.5 lbs.
# Multi-gesture touchpad lets you pinch, flick and swirl your fingers to navigate Web pages, photos, spreadsheets and more
# Integrated audio with stereo speakers
# Dolby headphone technology reproduces more engaging sound with astonishing realism and intensity
# Ports: USB 2.0 (3), VGA Video Output, Headphone Jack & Microphone Jack

$199

And if that doesn't make you happy, then I'll amend it to this:

$249 + $199 <= $500

http://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=183403...ffiliateID=NKa3hZyYoHA-YBuIM6R3gNsJ2Byk6kdPWQ

The core point still stands.

No, it's not better. A YMMV deal or a rare deal isn't a you can get this for $500 with the ease you wanted to imply and secondly it's a shitty 3 cell one so the battery life on it sucks balls and is no where near the netbooks you were using in prior examples to try and troll the iPad. I'm seriously done after this though, this is a stupid argument I don't care enough to have anymore.

 

[rodvik]

...

The ones to watch will be the competing models from Asus, MSI, Dell and Notion Ink.

...

Whoa! I was not aware of this. I am two Asus computers in now and am a complete fanboy. If Asus gets in the game then I am very interested.

 

[Buckethead]

I've seen Netbooks plenty of times at $199 in passing. I'm sorry I didn't have the forethought that I'd need it to satisfy iPad defenders in the future. I've seen $199 plastered in Fry's all the time. I just didn't have it handy.

Though it seems enough to condemn it?

 

[mrkgoo]

They are right next to each other though? Unless I'm misunderstanding you?

I dunno. Just wondered what the three grills were for. ARe two of them for stereo speakers? What is the use of stereo sound when the speakers are so close? Why not just make them mono at that stage?

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Can you get the ipod itself to play FLAC?

Need to look into doing this for Zune.

It doesn't matter. The iPod's sound output won't fulfill it's potential. Few MP3 players do.

Asus EEE

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...ffiliateID=lw9MynSeamY-KNUb0lK74DFD508Y4Evv4Q

There are others if you look. Plenty at $249 and $299 too. Certainly the total can be less.

:lol I've never seen such a poor attempt at own-age since Shogmaster tried disproving the Macbook Air's purpose by listing laptops that were "only" 2 lbs heavier or so. :lol

The only bad thing about that is if I'm typing and the screen glares due to the overhead lights.

 

[Tobor]

I can't wait for competing tablets to come out so we can start comparing apples to apples. Marty's oranges are turning rancid.

 

[Marty Chinn]

They are right next to each other though? Unless I'm misunderstanding you?

No, it's not better. A YMMV deal or a rare deal isn't a you can get this for $500 with the ease you wanted to imply and secondly it's a shitty 3 cell one so the battery life on it sucks balls and is no where near the netbooks you were using in prior examples to try and troll the iPad. I'm seriously done after this though, this is a stupid argument I don't care enough to have anymore.

Uh are you confusing me with someone else? I wasn't really talking about netbooks before. I only chimed in trying to combat the $349 price you listed. Let's face it, you over estimated as between $249 and $299 is extremely common as I just pointed you to one. So even in the worst case scenario of you over estimating and me underestimating, the point still applies. You can buy a Netbook and iTouch for less than an iPad.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I dunno. Just wondered what the three grills were for. ARe two of them for stereo speakers? What is the use of stereo sound when the speakers are so close? Why not just make them mono at that stage?

Unless it's just for design sake? I've seen that before and it wasn't necessarily 3 speakers or anything like that. I'm not sure though.

 

[mrkgoo]

O_O

 

[tokkun]

Well, the problem is that I don't want to be staring straight downward the whole time.

 

[Marty Chinn]

It doesn't matter. The iPod's sound output won't fulfill it's potential. Few MP3 players do.


:lol I've never seen such a poor attempt at own-age since Shogmaster tried disproving the Macbook Air's purpose by listing laptops that were "only" 2 lbs heavier or so. :lol

Look I admit I should have taken more time to look it up other than a 2 second google search but I didn't want to spend time researching netbooks when I'm trying to watch the Sharks game. I pointed out other examples and even upping it to $249, the point still stands. You're arguing over semantics at this point rather than getting back to the core point that you can buy both for less.

 

[mrkgoo]

Unless it's just for design sake? I've seen that before and it wasn't necessarily 3 speakers or anything like that. I'm not sure though.

Oh, right, like you mean a grill that just looks like 3. Makes sense.

Actually, does having a mic there and speakers make sense? It would be horrible for audio chat.

Actuall,y now that I think about it, how does the iPhone manage speaker phone - are the mic and speaker an optimal distance? Or is the mic really directional?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Uh are you confusing me with someone else? I wasn't really talking about netbooks before. I only chimed in trying to combat the $349 price you listed. Let's face it, you over estimated as between $249 and $299 is extremely common as I just pointed you to one. So even in the worst case scenario of you over estimating and me underestimating, the point still applies. You can buy a Netbook and iTouch for less than an iPad.

YMMV thread on slickdeals isn't proving it's extremely common and it's still a shitty netbook so aren't we back to where we started? I picked a standard eee for what it goes on amazon. I'm not going by going out of business sales or clearing inventory with stores with rigid stock rotation or some other rare occurrence and again it's a shitty 3 cell model.

Oh, right, like you mean a grill that just looks like 3. Makes sense.

Actually, does having a mic there and speakers make sense? It would be horrible for audio chat.

Actuall,y now that I think about it, how does the iPhone manage speaker phone - are the mic and speaker an optimal distance? Or is the mic really directional?

Ya, I've seen it on other devices where it's just for looks and it's just one speaker inside. I hope the mic isn't there or I'm assuming, like you, that there will be a lot of noise interference making the whole things worthless.

 

[mrkgoo]

Well, the problem is that I don't want to be staring straight downward the whole time.

Keyboard dock? I guess the real answer is that it's not the ideal device then.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

Well, the problem is that I don't want to be staring straight downward the whole time.

It clearly needs some sort of repulsorlifts so it can hover in midair. That would be awesome.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

So even in the worst case scenario of you over estimating and me underestimating, the point still applies. You can buy a Netbook and iTouch for less than an iPad.

But there's plenty of people in the target demographic who probably already have an iPhone, or iPod Touch, or other similar smart phone. This is a different product attempting to convince people that a device that is more user friendly than a smart phone (thanks to a larger display and better processor), but not as cumbersome as laptops/netbooks is worth having. It's not trying to be a netbook, though it is after the kind of consumer who might be in the market for one.

 

[Buckethead]

The three openings is a "Speaker Port"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWZ1GSvpVY

 

[mrkgoo]

The three openings is a "Speaker Port"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWZ1GSvpVY

So where is the mic? That's the tiny hole? (edit I guess so)And how does the iPhone parse audio input and output when p.n. speaker phone?

ALso, I just noticed that the 3G version DOES have a plastic bar for radio reception. Jutifies my hopeful decision to get a non-3G a little...

 

[Gary Whitta]

I'm so bummed that this is going to be out for a whole month before I can order my 3G model. I guess I can always go fondle it at the Apple Store, once the inevitable crowds have died down a bit.

 

[tokkun]

Actuall,y now that I think about it, how does the iPhone manage speaker phone - are the mic and speaker an optimal distance? Or is the mic really directional?

Since both the speaker and mic are in the same device, they could use active noise cancellation.

 

[Marty Chinn]

But there's plenty of people in the target demographic who probably already have an iPhone, or iPod Touch, or other similar smart phone. This is a different product attempting to convince people that a device that is more user friendly than a smart phone (thanks to a larger display and better processor), but not as cumbersome as laptops/netbooks is worth having. It's not trying to be a netbook, though it is after the kind of consumer who might be in the market for one.

I'm not the one who made that original point. I was only jumping in on Zaraki_Kenpachi claiming you couldn't do it for less. I was only commenting on the price of being able to do it not making the comparison of having both items vs the iPad.

Shop around, the price for a Netbook can easily be had for well under $300.

 

[blu]

Fine, here:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1813455

Acer 10.1" Aspire One AOD250-1371 Netbook PC:

are you purposefully picking netbooks that absolutely suck at battery life?

The Acer Aspire One AOD250 ran for 1 hour and 50 minutes on our video playback battery drain test using the included three-cell battery, which is lower than average; the three-cell HP Mini 110 lasted for about 30 minutes longer. While that doesn't leave much time for mobile work without an outlet, keep in mind that our battery drain test is especially grueling, so you can expect longer life from casual Web surfing and office use.

url to the above

The core point still stands.

remind me what was the core point again, please - Marty Chinn desperately feeling in the dark for a $200 netbook that does not suck?

 

[mrkgoo]

Since both the speaker and mic are in the same device, they could use active noise cancellation.

Well, I meant when you're making a call, and you switch to speakerphone. Presumably it uses the lower speaker, but if that's the case, how will it tell your speaking from the speaker (them speaking) should you both speak at the same time?

Obviously somethings going on so the mic doesn't pic up the sound from the speaker - and I don'y think it's noise cancelling technology.

Gary: Just get both!

 

[Gary Whitta]

Gary: Just get both!

I like the way you think!

 

[Buckethead]

So where is the mic? That's the tiny hole? (edit I guess so)And how does the iPhone parse audio input and output when p.n. speaker phone?

OVERVIEW

TOP

Mic next to headphone



BOTTOM

Speakers on bottom

 

[Ninja Scooter]

nice to see they are going with the aluminum design. Hopefully they go back to this with the next iteration of the iPhone. Aluminum>glossy

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I'm so bummed that this is going to be out for a whole month before I can order my 3G model. I guess I can always go fondle it at the Apple Store, once the inevitable crowds have died down a bit.

Ya, I'm disappointed too that they're not coming out simultaneously. I guess it'll help me to wait to see the new iPhone before deciding which I want but given the more expensive iPhone I doubt I'd get it now.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

O_O

That probably made your average post count jump like 500%. :lol

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Shop around, the price for a Netbook can easily be had for well under $300.

That's great. Again, what I'm arguing is that, if I'm convinced that this is the product for me, I'm not concerned with the going rate of a netbook. This isn't the same product as the netbook, though it's designed to fulfill a similar desire (an ultimate compromise between complete portability and full-fledged functionality).

 

[tokkun]

Well, I meant when you're making a call, and you switch to speakerphone. Presumably it uses the lower speaker, but if that's the case, how will it tell your speaking from the speaker (them speaking) should you both speak at the same time?

The basic idea is that because it knows the waveform is coming from the speaker, it can subtract it from the waveform that comes in the mic leaving just your voice, though the actual process is more difficult than that. I have no idea is they actually take advantage of this, though.

 

[sc0la]

I like the way you think!

Buy the wifi, then buy 3G a month later. I'll buy your wifi for msrp - $100

 

[The_Inquisitor]

Agh urge to get this rising. I got a kindle because while I didn't mind reading on my iTouch I wanted a bigger screen. I however lost the ability to read with the lights off. An iSlate would solve both of these problems. Aaaaggghhhhhh!

But I do like eInk a lot, ugh.

 

[Buckethead]

nice to see they are going with the aluminum design. Hopefully they go back to this with the next iteration of the iPhone. Aluminum>glossy

While I would 100% support this for computers and the iPad, not for the iPhone.
I have been lugging around the 1st Gen since 2007 and it scratches extremely easily.

Not only does the glossy (black) help hide scratches but it's also much more
solid. The original iPhone had the black piece built as a separate section and it comes loose/breaks relatively easily.

Not bad design, per se, but the new iPhones are much more solidly made.

 

[Marty Chinn]

are you purposefully picking netbooks that absolutely suck at battery life?


url to the above



remind me what was the core point again, please - Marty Chinn desperately feeling in the dark for a $200 netbook that does not suck?

I'm doing quick picks based on price cuz I'm trying to pay attention to the Sharks vs Hawks game right now. I'm not completely paying attention other than quick glances. The original point was Seth C claimed you can get a Netbook and iTouch for the price of an iPad. Zaraki_Kenpachi did this price comparison ~$350+~$230=<$500 which I thought was high so I posted counter prices. I'm not sure what the exact original argument was about performance and capability, but my only reason for jumping in was soley that I disagreed with Zaraki_Kenpachi claiming the prices were $350 and $230. That's the ONLY point I was addressing that you could do the combo for less than $500 and less than Zaraki_Kenpachi was claiming.

 

[mrkgoo]

The basic idea is that because it knows the waveform is coming from the speaker, it can subtract it from the waveform that comes in the mic leaving just your voice, though the actual process is more difficult than that. I have no idea is they actually take advantage of this, though.

I know what it is, but it can't be using that, because how does it distinguish that if they're talking, and you choose to talk at the same time. I guess it knows the actual waveform coming out without have thing mic need to record it, but that sounds like a big mess. There must be a more simple solution. Like the mic just doesn't pick it up or something.

 

[Raistlin]

Not only do a vast majority of downloading sites don't support FLAC,

Unfortunately that's true, though it's starting to gain some traction. That said, there is a ton of live music available online in FLAC.

Probably the most common current use for it however, is storing CD's or higher res audio. In many cases this constitutes a large, if not the largest, part of many users libraries.

but for anyone who really cares can just download a simply plugin for iTunes (which is what I've done).

Would doing this allow the iPad to directly stream audio from my server?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I'm not the one who made that original point. I was only jumping in on Zaraki_Kenpachi claiming you couldn't do it for less. I was only commenting on the price of being able to do it not making the comparison of having both items vs the iPad.

Shop around, the price for a Netbook can easily be had for well under $300.

Come on dude enough already, instead of trying to attack me you should have read the discussion because it was implied that it was a decent model which you have STILL been unable to do even with bullshit YMMV deals to back up how easy it is to get that price anytime. You're bullshit is expecting but enough already you've derailed the thread enough wih insane arguments. I concede, you're a genius and I am nothing just drop the stupid argument already.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

The basic idea is that because it knows the waveform is coming from the speaker, it can subtract it from the waveform that comes in the mic leaving just your voice, though the actual process is more difficult than that. I have no idea is they actually take advantage of this, though.

On the analog side it isn't too bad. Well designed differential amplifiers are great at removing noise from a signal similar to what you are describing. In fact most gain stages start with this kind of topology. Would not be surprised if something like this is built into the amplifier itself already.

 

[giga]

Dock can fit 6 apps btw.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Agh urge to get this rising. I got a kindle because while I didn't mind reading on my iTouch I wanted a bigger screen. I however lost the ability to read with the lights off. An iSlate would solve both of these problems. Aaaaggghhhhhh!

But I do like eInk a lot, ugh.

My guess is if you're on the fence now, you'll want one when you actually get your hands on one and try it. That's how it usually works with Apple stuff.

 

[mrkgoo]

I like the way you think!

To be honest, do you think you need 3G? I mean, if you're out and about, aren't you going to have your iPhone? I guess there's always uses, but you know...

 

[Ninja Scooter]

While I would 100% support this for computers and the iPad, not for the iPhone.
I have been lugging around the 1st Gen since 2007 and it scratches extremely easily.

Not only does the glossy (black) help hide scratches but it's also much more
solid. The original iPhone had the black piece built as a separate section and it comes loose/breaks relatively easily.

Not bad design, per se, but the new iPhones are much more solidly made.

im still rocking a 1stGen too and other than one scuff from dropping it the aluminum has held up great. I agree that black plastic part looks bad though but if you get rid of that, with the 3Gs' slimmer form factor would look hot.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

My guess is if you're on the fence now, you'll want one when you actually get your hands on one and try it. That's how it usually works with Apple stuff.

Oh I know. That's how I was sure I wanted my macbook pro almost 3 years ago. :lol :lol I wonder if there will be a student discount. Actually holy crap. If there is, I could easily sell my kindle and get this thing for maybe 200 more dollars or so.

Edit: Yeah that dock looks great. Sincerely I wonder if OSXI will be more similar to the current iPhone OS than OSX. You would still have the ability of the "classic mode", but man I can see this getting adopted in the traditional desktop environment.

 

[mrkgoo]

Dock can fit 6 apps btw.

Yup. I wondered if there were a setting to do the same thing to the rest of the homescreen.