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Raistlin said:
While I agree with you, Steve does kind of have a point if it really does run for 10 hours.

Obviously recharging more often is less convenient, but realistically how many situations arise where you'll really need more than 10 hours in a given session? I would think in 99.9% of situations, you'd use it less than 10 hours in a day. So you can simply charge it up at night.

Oh, I agree with you, but you have to see it, it's kind of amusing to see Steve act kind of defensive like that. TO be fair, Walt was also trying to grill him. It's all fair game,s inc eI bet both are used to it.

http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100128...arring-walt-mossberg-plus-a-steve-jobs-cameo/

And again, as I edited above, it's not about a single session. Sometimes you might just want to lay it down and come back to it. As an e-reader device, you do that with a kindle several times. The iPad is a great device, but it won't do that. You'll have to charge it more often. That's not a slight on the product - it's just how it is, and I have no problem with that.

It was just interesting to see steve.
 
Tobor said:
Find me one of those netbooks that's going to give me the reading experience I'll get on an iPad.

Meh, so instead of a crappy reading experience you have an okay one? e-ink FTW :p


jrricky said:
WTF is this shit and whats the point? (Besides making money)

*Sees Tobor* Its the freaking PSPGo situation all over again and I hope this iPad's fate is the same...

Damn it, Ive never been so negative against an apple product before :/

The fate could be the same, but the situation is quite different. The PSPgo was about taking a moderately successful product, and offering an 'premium' version that has a better form-factor.

The iPad is to some extent a new product, one where we have no idea whether there is a market for.
 
Jewbacca said:
Nah it seems like a simple device, but why do your grandparents want a computer is the question you should answer first.

Well the world around them moves a lot faster than what they see on TV. They dont get the newspaper so their news is limited to what they see on local tv and cnn. Before my great grandmother died in 2001, she had my brother get her a desktop computer and teach her how to use it. I'm not quite sure why she wanted to get a computer, but lol thinking about it now it makes her pretty awesome...she was in her 90's and wanted to get a computer to learn how to use it :D
 
LovingSteam said:
For those who continue to bring up netbooks and why would anybody purchase this over one of those, show me any netbook on the market that will have access to the type of applications available on the App Store. Please.

One that's running Android?
 
mrkgoo said:
Oh, I agree with you, but you have to see it, it's kind of amusing to see Steve act kind of defensive like that. TO be fair, Walt was also trying to grill him. It's all fair game,s inc eI bet both are used to it.

http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100128...arring-walt-mossberg-plus-a-steve-jobs-cameo/

And again, as I edited above, it's not about a single session. Sometimes you might just want to lay it down and come back to it. As an e-reader device, you do that with a kindle several times. The iPad is a great device, but it won't do that. You'll have to charge it more often. That's not a slight on the product - it's just how it is, and I have no problem with that.

It was just interesting to see steve.

I just meant that it's not hard to get in the habit of topping it off every night. We do it every other night with phones, so it's not really a big deal imo.
 
jrricky said:
WTF is this shit and whats the point? (Besides making money)

EDIT: *Sees Tobor* Its the freaking PSPGo situation all over again and I hope this iPad's fate is the same...

Damn it, Ive never been so negative against an apple product before :/
:lol I still like my PSP GO, but comparing that to the iPad is laughable. Apple can run rings around Sony in every aspect of consumer electronics.
 
Raistlin said:
I just meant that it's not hard to get in the habit of topping it off every night. We do it every other night with phones, so it's not really a big deal imo.

Yeah, I have no problem with that at all, it just a funny point of defense. 10 hours is superb, and not an issue at all, so I can see why Steve would take issue, but there are much stronger points to be made than, "just plug it in! Who reads for ten hours anyway?"

Like I said, steve does have a point - and that point was numbers are numbers, but this is about practicality. It was interesting to see him in 'live' action (not keynote). I can see how he's a pretty assertive and pushy guy. The kind of guy who would likely speak over you just to be heard. I'd wet my pants if I were to encounter him.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
I am ashamed of how far my fellow Mac fans have sunk. Are you really comparing the App Store to the universe of freeware, shareware, cheap, or delivered-via-flash games? Really?

If you're committed to an easy, freeflowing touch interface, then I'd imagine App Store access is pretty important. On a netbook you get a desktop OS running desktop apps all scaled down to a sub-notebook level. I don't think the App Store is better than the PC x86 apps, but it's a matter of choice.
 
Tobor said:
Actually, never mind, this thread has been derailed enough.
Kind of, yeah.


People on both 'sides' makes a point that isn't really trying to be arguing, and the other side just make a comment in response, and then the original side takes it as an attack, when it wasn't meant to be.

Both sides. It's going nowhere. Like arguing for the sake of arguing. We're all out of discussion points, really.
 
I'm starting to imagine what a sight it will be to see a dedicated AIM or Twitter app on the iPad having to somehow use up all 10" of the display because I won't be able to run it on the side and all I can do is laugh :) I guess they'll always have to have the keyboard up at all times to take up the space or something like that.

On a more serious note, anyone else think there could be some problems with developers having to develop apps specifically tailored to each device, even if they have the same basic functions? I can see a lot of small time developers ignoring the iPad entirely if they only have the capacity to develop for one platform, and they'd obviously pick the iPhone because it has such a large installed user base head start compared to the iPad. Granted some apps aren't going to have versions that can run on both platforms, but it seems like an interesting choice some of the small developers will have to make.
 
XMonkey said:
I'm starting to imagine what a sight it will be to see a dedicated AIM or Twitter app on the iPad having to somehow use up all 10" of the display because I won't be able to run it on the side and all I can do is laugh :) I guess they'll always have to have the keyboard up at all times to take up the space or something like that.

On a more serious note, anyone else think there could be some problems with developers having to develop apps specifically tailored to each device, even if they have the same basic functions? I can see a lot of small time developers ignoring the iPad entirely if they only have the capacity to develop for one platform, and they'd obviously pick the iPhone because it has such a large installed user base head start compared to the iPad. Granted some apps aren't going to have versions that can run on both platforms, but it seems like an interesting choice some of the small developers will have to make.

Actually, I see the iPad being an advantage there. I think the app store is getting a little crowded for some developers to the point where it's hard to make money because there's so much saturation of apps. I think by standing out and being aimed at the iPad, you narrow your market but you also narrow the competition to a degree which means there's potential to make more money there by standing out by being an iPad only app.
 
XMonkey said:
On a more serious note, anyone else think there could be some problems with developers having to develop apps specifically tailored to each device, even if they have the same basic functions? I can see a lot of small time developers ignoring the iPad entirely if they only have the capacity to develop for one platform.

I thought Apples take on this was that dev's simply made the app for the ipad, then simply 'downscaled' it for the ipod/iphone. I think you'll see a hell of a lot of app's designed for both, than run equally well on each device.
 
woodsey1982 said:
I thought Apples take on this was that dev's simply made the app for the ipad, then simply 'downscaled' it for the ipod/iphone. I think you'll see a hell of a lot of app's designed for both, than run equally well on each device.
Ya, but 3.5" screen real estate vs. 10" screen real estate almost makes this pointless I think, unless you want one version of your app to completely suck on one device.
 
*excuse my spelling, I only have 1 arm*

Ignatz Mouse said:
Why do you want a touchscreenon a netbook, especially if you have an iPod Touch for those experiences?

The touch of the screen isn't a one off feature; i.e "oh let me touch my screen!". It's a method of input, a way of doing things and comparing a 3.7" screen to a 9.7" s frankly stupid

But I've been quiet from this thread, too many haters who were waiting on the product to shit on it from day one a la Marty Chinn.

I've taken the time to fully digest all info and it's going to be the biggest thing Apple have done, you can quote me on that.

One key thing is we haven't seen this in the flesh. Most people in this thread probably haven't even seen an IPS screen. I have two and they are fucking gorgeous. Everyone who has seen this says when you see it, you'll fall in love. Also someone in this thread commented on the chip used:

- It's a 1GHZ Snapdragon (not confirmed)
-Designed by Apple's in house semiconductor development team (P.A)

A funny thing is, everyone is saying IT'S JUST A BIG IPOD TOUCH, lol and who make the iTouch? Is it another company or is it Apple? When the iPod first came out things were even worse than this, nd it's turned into the most popular mp3 player. There were also Creative, Archos and many other bigger, faster, np3 players with better hardware..but that's not what the people wanted.

The iPhone, laughed at for not having this or that, no 3G, no MMS, no ringtones, and the rest is history.

Now history can prove me right, but the future can prove me wrong. But it seems when Apple say something is going to be revolutionary some laugh, some sit back and watch.

I'll use some quotes now:

"The big problem I had was trying to understand what the iPad is for: the answer it seems, is everything -The Guardian, UK

"It promises much but its success depends on how developers and publishers exploit its possibilities and whether consumers feel it is a device they really need" - The Financial Times, UK

People who I regard as Apple product experts have explained this product to me ingreat detail, there are many wrongs but so many rights. The problem is as a company people don't under stand Apple, but it's easier to understand why they have released this rpoduct and why

It's weird hearing this whole "it's just a bigger iTouch/iPhone" as I have sat back and seen a whole host of tablets from CES and later running Android OS which is also the same attitude Apple had with releasing the iPad; so why no hatee for Google? :lol it's obvious why

Andoid does have total multitasking, but iPad only has 1st party multitasking. Indeed Apple is acting like the protective Dad, but for the little son or daughter, it's probably the best option in the long run. For me I listen to music whilst checking emails or on the web. I can't play a game and listen to music, I can't watch a video and check email.

So what do people want as multitasking? For me I want an easier way of clicking a link in an email and gog to Safari, and getting back to that e mail. Others want an IM client running in the bkground which is fair. But why are people crying they can't run Pandora or another music player? Apple want you to use their shit, and boy that's the way they do it. I'd be interested if Chrome OS allow for other competitors to run alternate versions of their basic programs? As I think this is Apples way of protecting their 1st party apps. I'm not defending it; I'm accepting it

People who are saying this is just an iTouch/iPhone maybe haven't seen the slick UI, the difference to their previous products, the difference with Mail, Safari, etc. It's looking really amazing, and it's not even out yet! When i does come out it will probably be running the 3.4 OS, but I believe the OS will be in development with the iPhone, but will always be different. I also make this promise; 4.0 OS will emerge as a multitasking OS; fact

Email is looking amazing, I luuurve the reading panel and then the preview panel and the lay over images of your emails. I love the UI on photos too, the bottom panel where yo slide your finger and the images pop up straight away; so slick. And of course the multi touch spreading of the photo stack. I personally don't know if this UI has been done by anyone else before. We have ALL been spoilt by the iPhone touch, hnce why this is confusing people. No where on a commercial device has a UI been so perfect, whilst being touch screen.

iWork will be good on this, it's going to be interesting indeed. You'll be foolish to think that Apple aren't preparing iPad versions of Logic, Aperture, Final Cut and their other 1st party apps. The SDK is being launched 2 months before the release of the iPad, so there are going to be huuuge steps of progression, this iPad is a marathon, not a race. Developers will make this huge. Like it was predicted hospitals, schools and broadcasting esc places will scoop these up, as well as the general consumers. One thing people here are forgetting, if you live in a single room, this product aint for ya! This is really for a house where the desktop/laptop is in the study and the iPad is the rover in the house: in the kitchen, bathroom, bed, living room.

The 3.2 SDK also has some nice shine to it, but I see more coming:

- External Display Support. iPad applications will be able to display content specifically targeted to an external display connected to the iPad via the Dock connector. This sort of external monitor support has never been allowed with the iPhone SDK.

- File Sharing. A shared file directory is provided that will mount on your Mac or PC. This is presumably how files such as iWork documents will be transferred to and from the iPad. iPad applications will be able to access this shared directory.

The sad thing about all of this is the HYPE. The mock-ups, the twitter posts, everything. People fell for it, and thats not Apples fault they released a product different than that. I don't want to low my own trumpet, but I called it almost exactly how it would be because I envisioned what Apples plan was. I henceforth was not disappointed because I didn't drag my self to seeing a full blow OS X on a touch screen which is on a mobile device.

Bow I am an Apple fan, but I'm not blind. The lack of an on-board SD card reader is the worse thing for me, another device as a card reader is bulky, yeah I'd like a new element of multitasking (but it's coming), the carry case is FUCKING UGLY!!! EWWW..and no camera at the front wi now iChat is a little disappointing

But I kno what this is, it's a media device. as netbook it's different, easier to get into and more attractive. My and probably many others ideal device was a larger iPhone, this is where I see this being HUGE. Apple has put the products in place to make this iPad popular: iTouch, iPad. I know if my mum wants a small computer, she'll get the iPad, she knows the iPhone, and it's a brilliant ecosystem to protect her. I know I can put one in the house and everyone can use it easily, much more easier than a netbook or laptop as the 3.7" screen is too small and laptops are too big

I'll be buying one on day one as I've had the money waiting for a while, so that's why. If I didn't I'd wait a few months only for the price to settle. I'm buying this over a netbook for a few reasons: I already have an Apple household, I use iPhones around the house like small computers and I see more productivity in my travelling, I don't need to carry my larger laptop on holiday when I'm only really going to need email and web usage.

This is Steve's baby, and I'm going to be positive moving forward as he is one of the few men in technology that I trust. I'll read this thread to be open to negative and positive views, but it feels like this is the "HA HA, I told you so" thread..

Also, WWDC '10 will see the introduction of the iMac Touch. Remember this...
 
XMonkey said:
I'm starting to imagine what a sight it will be to see a dedicated AIM or Twitter app on the iPad having to somehow use up all 10" of the display because I won't be able to run it on the side and all I can do is laugh :) I guess they'll always have to have the keyboard up at all times to take up the space or something like that.

On a more serious note, anyone else think there could be some problems with developers having to develop apps specifically tailored to each device, even if they have the same basic functions? I can see a lot of small time developers ignoring the iPad entirely if they only have the capacity to develop for one platform, and they'd obviously pick the iPhone because it has such a large installed user base head start compared to the iPad. Granted some apps aren't going to have versions that can run on both platforms, but it seems like an interesting choice some of the small developers will have to make.

I think development will be an issue for those kinds of smaller apps, but I imagine you'd probably just use more real estate for multiple windows within the app. Instead of having a control panel in a separate space, you just have it next to it. You bring up an intriguing point - apps that are made for this are run uni-task, and thus take up the entire screen. What do you do if the app is a small 'widget' like app?

I think development will be an issue for those kinds of smaller apps, but I imagine you'd probably just use more real estate for multiple windows within the app. Instead of having a control panel in a separate space, you just have it next to it. But the community will try different things, and some won't work well, but some will, and like anything else, it will find its place. Or maybe they'll just leave them as iPhone apps. Just as people found a way to kind of shoe horn 'big' apps into a small space, they'll find a way to stretch little apps to a big space.

I think one of the first things people will do is scale up assets. For apps like twitter clients, it's probably fairly trivial to add hooks for a larger screen., so most people will probably just do these two things. If an app requires more thought, then I'm sure this will happen for many apps too.

But you're right, it is a concern perhaps not everyone has thought about (I certainly didn't until you mentioned it).
 
I will trust anything Alan Kay says. Because I am a zombie.

Alan Kay said:
“When the Mac first came out, Newsweek asked me what I [thought] of it. I said: Well, it’s the first personal computer worth criticizing.

So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing?

And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world.”
 
I was quite looking forward to reserving one of these. Regardless of the endless multitasking/netbook-comparison/laptop-comparison going on in here it would be the perfect coffee table appliance in my house. Internet, mail, iplayer (iplayer supports iphone browsing so no reason the pad won't work), games, ebooks. Great!

Until I discovered there are no ebooks at launch in the UK, with nothing seeming to state when and if they will be available. Nicely done Mr Jobs. What is it with the UK and ebooks? The only choice we seem to have are the Sony units. Are the publishing houses afraid of money over here?
 
I'm wondering if the iPhone Kindle app will be remodeled for the pad. I would think so, but I wonder if Apple would start to treat that like a hostile third party mp3 player app.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Actually, I see the iPad being an advantage there. I think the app store is getting a little crowded for some developers to the point where it's hard to make money because there's so much saturation of apps. I think by standing out and being aimed at the iPad, you narrow your market but you also narrow the competition to a degree which means there's potential to make more money there by standing out by being an iPad only app.

Great point. There's a lot going on in the iPhone space, and some people who put a lot of effort into apps, but simply didn't get noticed may jut move some stuff over for some breathing space.

Mecha_Infantry said:
*excuse my spelling, I only have 1 arm*



The touch of the screen isn't a one off feature; i.e "oh let me touch my screen!". It's a method of input, a way of doing things and comparing a 3.7" screen to a 9.7" s frankly stupid

But I've been quiet from this thread, too many haters who were waiting on the product to shit on it from day one a la Marty Chinn.

I've taken the time to fully digest all info and it's going to be the biggest thing Apple have done, you can quote me on that.

One key thing is we haven't seen this in the flesh. Most people in this thread probably haven't even seen an IPS screen. I have two and they are fucking gorgeous. Everyone who has seen this says when you see it, you'll fall in love. Also someone in this thread commented on the chip used:

- It's a 1GHZ Snapdragon (not confirmed)
-Designed by Apple's in house semiconductor development team (P.A)

A funny thing is, everyone is saying IT'S JUST A BIG IPOD TOUCH, lol and who make the iTouch? Is it another company or is it Apple? When the iPod first came out things were even worse than this, nd it's turned into the most popular mp3 player. There were also Creative, Archos and many other bigger, faster, np3 players with better hardware..but that's not what the people wanted.

The iPhone, laughed at for not having this or that, no 3G, no MMS, no ringtones, and the rest is history.

Now history can prove me right, but the future can prove me wrong. But it seems when Apple say something is going to be revolutionary some laugh, some sit back and watch.

I'll use some quotes now:





People who I regard as Apple product experts have explained this product to me ingreat detail, there are many wrongs but so many rights. The problem is as a company people don't under stand Apple, but it's easier to understand why they have released this rpoduct and why

It's weird hearing this whole "it's just a bigger iTouch/iPhone" as I have sat back and seen a whole host of tablets from CES and later running Android OS which is also the same attitude Apple had with releasing the iPad; so why no hatee for Google? :lol it's obvious why

Andoid does have total multitasking, but iPad only has 1st party multitasking. Indeed Apple is acting like the protective Dad, but for the little son or daughter, it's probably the best option in the long run. For me I listen to music whilst checking emails or on the web. I can't play a game and listen to music, I can't watch a video and check email.

So what do people want as multitasking? For me I want an easier way of clicking a link in an email and gog to Safari, and getting back to that e mail. Others want an IM client running in the bkground which is fair. But why are people crying they can't run Pandora or another music player? Apple want you to use their shit, and boy that's the way they do it. I'd be interested if Chrome OS allow for other competitors to run alternate versions of their basic programs? As I think this is Apples way of protecting their 1st party apps. I'm not defending it; I'm accepting it

People who are saying this is just an iTouch/iPhone maybe haven't seen the slick UI, the difference to their previous products, the difference with Mail, Safari, etc. It's looking really amazing, and it's not even out yet! When i does come out it will probably be running the 3.4 OS, but I believe the OS will be in development with the iPhone, but will always be different. I also make this promise; 4.0 OS will emerge as a multitasking OS; fact

Email is looking amazing, I luuurve the reading panel and then the preview panel and the lay over images of your emails. I love the UI on photos too, the bottom panel where yo slide your finger and the images pop up straight away; so slick. And of course the multi touch spreading of the photo stack. I personally don't know if this UI has been done by anyone else before. We have ALL been spoilt by the iPhone touch, hnce why this is confusing people. No where on a commercial device has a UI been so perfect, whilst being touch screen.

iWork will be good on this, it's going to be interesting indeed. You'll be foolish to think that Apple aren't preparing iPad versions of Logic, Aperture, Final Cut and their other 1st party apps. The SDK is being launched 2 months before the release of the iPad, so there are going to be huuuge steps of progression, this iPad is a marathon, not a race. Developers will make this huge. Like it was predicted hospitals, schools and broadcasting esc places will scoop these up, as well as the general consumers. One thing people here are forgetting, if you live in a single room, this product aint for ya! This is really for a house where the desktop/laptop is in the study and the iPad is the rover in the house: in the kitchen, bathroom, bed, living room.

The 3.2 SDK also has some nice shine to it, but I see more coming:



The sad thing about all of this is the HYPE. The mock-ups, the twitter posts, everything. People fell for it, and thats not Apples fault they released a product different than that. I don't want to low my own trumpet, but I called it almost exactly how it would be because I envisioned what Apples plan was. I henceforth was not disappointed because I didn't drag my self to seeing a full blow OS X on a touch screen which is on a mobile device.

Bow I am an Apple fan, but I'm not blind. The lack of an on-board SD card reader is the worse thing for me, another device as a card reader is bulky, yeah I'd like a new element of multitasking (but it's coming), the carry case is FUCKING UGLY!!! EWWW..and no camera at the front wi now iChat is a little disappointing

But I kno what this is, it's a media device. as netbook it's different, easier to get into and more attractive. My and probably many others ideal device was a larger iPhone, this is where I see this being HUGE. Apple has put the products in place to make this iPad popular: iTouch, iPad. I know if my mum wants a small computer, she'll get the iPad, she knows the iPhone, and it's a brilliant ecosystem to protect her. I know I can put one in the house and everyone can use it easily, much more easier than a netbook or laptop as the 3.7" screen is too small and laptops are too big

I'll be buying one on day one as I've had the money waiting for a while, so that's why. If I didn't I'd wait a few months only for the price to settle. I'm buying this over a netbook for a few reasons: I already have an Apple household, I use iPhones around the house like small computers and I see more productivity in my travelling, I don't need to carry my larger laptop on holiday when I'm only really going to need email and web usage.

This is Steve's baby, and I'm going to be positive moving forward as he is one of the few men in technology that I trust. I'll read this thread to be open to negative and positive views, but it feels like this is the "HA HA, I told you so" thread..

Also, WWDC '10 will see the introduction of the iMac Touch. Remember this...

Thanks for writing this. Well put, something I've been meaning to say, but not sure how to put in words, and instead just delusional ranted form lack of sleep the past couple of days.

Your situation is mirroring mine. I like the device, I see the potential, but I'm also not blind to the shortcomings. I'm not defending them, I'm just dealing with it. I know people will argue that accepting it IS defending it, and that may be so, but does that really bug you that much?

I'm also hoping to get one because I have a bit more disposable income. I can nearly guarantee this device will be more expensive when I return to NZ, and I don't pay sales tax in the US, so I just want to take advantage of a cheaper price. I want it for the shiny toy factor - I admit that completely, but I don't think that's a crime.
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
iWork will be good on this, it's going to be interesting indeed. You'll be foolish to think that Apple aren't preparing iPad versions of Logic, Aperture, Final Cut and their other 1st party apps.

I like you.

And if they released FC, even if it was the timeline, I would dieeeeeeeeeeee.
I want that so badly. It would make work life so great. So much more simple!
 
Buckethead said:
I like you.

And if they released FC, even if it was the timeline, I would dieeeeeeeeeeee.
I want that so badly. It would make work life so great. So much more simple!

I don't see that personally. They might make companion apps that supplement it, but I'm not sure that heavy stuff like that will fly. Who knows, though.

But given that apple may not - this is a larger screen touch device with an SDK available - SOMEONE will try. It ink people are forgetting one of the key factors why the iPod touch and iPhone are enjoyed - all the whacky ideas that the WORLD has. Thins like Smule's ocarina, Shazam, and countless other nifty widgets blew people away - that can happen again with a bit of imagination. I'm not saying the iPad will have these nifty novelties - it'll have something different - someone will release a killer app that demos the iPad.

You can argue that Apple should've done this - in my opinion they already have - I've looked at the updated default apps, and I really like what I see. Other people don't - well, *shrug* that's not my problem.
 
mrkgoo said:
And again, as I edited above, it's not about a single session. Sometimes you might just want to lay it down and come back to it. As an e-reader device, you do that with a kindle several times. The iPad is a great device, but it won't do that. You'll have to charge it more often. That's not a slight on the product - it's just how it is, and I have no problem with that.

It was just interesting to see steve.

instant-on means you're more likely to grab for it than a laptop - I do that now with my ipod touch.

But 10 hours should still comfortably handle a full days activity, and its massively better than my MBP
 
Haha, there will never be a Final Cut or Logic on the iPad, that much should be plainly obvious with the direction Apple has shown us. Hell, I don't think there will be a video editing app at all (not even iPhone level stuff) without a camera there.
 
mrkgoo said:
I don't see that personally. They might make companion apps that supplement it, but I'm not sure that heavy stuff like that will fly. Who knows, though.
I don't know, I'm not exactly expecting it, but it's perfect. It would be so helpful.
I'm just thinking it as like "Remote" is for iTunes/Keynote, but for Final Cut.

Not an actual app that renders footage etc. A touch-screen keyboard style thing.
 
LovingSteam said:
For those who continue to bring up netbooks and why would anybody purchase this over one of those, show me any netbook on the market that will have access to the type of applications available on the App Store. Please.

What apps are you talking about? A Windows 7 Netbook can run far more apps than the iPad. It will also run a Chrome or Firefox browser with all the extensions. Can the iPad do that?
 
LovingSteam said:
For those who continue to bring up netbooks and why would anybody purchase this over one of those, show me any netbook on the market that will have access to the type of applications available on the App Store. Please.

My netbook can run flash and Diablo 2 and Windows 7 and all that that implies. Are you really trying to say that a netbook has less available useful software than is in the App Store?

Now, I'm speaking from a position of ignorance. The most I've ever done with an iPhone is play with a beatboxing robot, so maybe there's some real great programs I haven't heard of (I'm sure there are). But this doesn't seem like the right argument to make in favor of the iPad.
 
I think part of the underwhelmaton is due to the home screens that look no different from the iPhone. I'd have thought that they'd at least have mixed it up, eg. larger icons, so that the UI can shine a bit.

Actually, I was expecting a slightly different OS, eg. Dock iPad would have been quite cool. Oh well, perhaps next year when devs and Apple figure out what they can do with the device, it'll be a lot better.
 
mrklaw said:
instant-on means you're more likely to grab for it than a laptop - I do that now with my ipod touch.

But 10 hours should still comfortably handle a full days activity, and its massively better than my MBP

Definitely, instant on is a huge deal. Another reason why I would consider an iPad as the ideal 'computer' for my parents. They don't know how to boot up a computer and log on.

That said, I hardly EVER shut off my MacBook Pro, so that is ALWAYS instant-on.

Buckethead said:
I don't know, I'm not exactly expecting it, but it's perfect. It would be so helpful.
I'm just thinking it as like "Remote" is for iTunes/Keynote, but for Final Cut.

Not an actual app that renders footage etc. A touch-screen keyboard style thing.

Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, that's kinda cool.

See a lot of people tried to some helper apps on the iPhone/iPod touch, but the device was too small to be of really great utility.

Imagine all the custom keyboards and stuff that can come out. The track pad apps, the VNC remote apps. Jaadu VNC for iPad? Yes please.
 
Karma said:
What apps are you talking about? A Windows 7 Netbook can run far more apps than the iPad. It will also run a Chrome or Firefox browser with all the extensions. Can the iPad do that?

He's not referring to just plain utility, but neat stuff like using your iPod touch as a multigesture touch pad for your computer for example. I have a touchpad app that is real useful for when I want to control my mac from a short distance. I have an app that controls my DSLR, giving me live view and manual settings. That kind of thing. Even some fun apps like Ocarina, and Autotune show a lot of imagination.

Of course a netbook will win out in sheer utility. No-ones arguing that. But there's a lot of neat apps for the iPod touch that are unique to the form factor and utilize the strengths of the form factor - yes, they won't scale to an iPad, but we're seeing the potential that the same imagination will be exercised to make it neat.

I'm going to say it again, this doesn't mean I think the appstore is better than all the apps available for a computer.
 
I could see liking a pad version of Final Draft. Especially if you had a sort of virtual cork board for rearranging scene index cards or even drawings to replicate storyboarding. (I can't draw well, but maybe if a writer were given some posable figures and a stack of camera orientations, you could rough in some scenes where you think some action or angle is particularly important.)
 
Pachael said:
I think part of the underwhelmaton is due to the home screens that look no different from the iPhone. I'd have thought that they'd at least have mixed it up, eg. larger icons, so that the UI can shine a bit.

Actually, I was expecting a slightly different OS, eg. Dock iPad would have been quite cool. Oh well, perhaps next year when devs and Apple figure out what they can do with the device, it'll be a lot better.

It's true that a lot of the underwhelming feel comes from this. But I like the size of the icons on the iPad. People think it looks odd, just because they expect the proportions of an iPhone - but wouldn't having larger icons make it look even more like a bigger ipod?

Regardless, I think you're right the expectation has caused the backlash. I don't mind - if it works, it works, why change it urn-necessarily? Again, I think the UI and OS will evolve over time to make use of features unique to the iPad (this being the capability for multiple finger gestures - the iPod touch screen was just too small to utilise these effectively). So many improvements where made to the iPhone OS over time, that it's just natural to expect the same kind of thing to happen with the iPad.

Apple will NOT give up not eh iPad, so you know they will be aggressive.
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
But I've been quiet from this thread, too many haters who were waiting on the product to shit on it from day one a la Marty Chinn.

I've taken the time to fully digest all info and it's going to be the biggest thing Apple have done, you can quote me on that.

One key thing is we haven't seen this in the flesh. Most people in this thread probably haven't even seen an IPS screen. I have two and they are fucking gorgeous. Everyone who has seen this says when you see it, you'll fall in love. Also someone in this thread commented on the chip used:

- It's a 1GHZ Snapdragon (not confirmed)
-Designed by Apple's in house semiconductor development team (P.A)

A funny thing is, everyone is saying IT'S JUST A BIG IPOD TOUCH, lol and who make the iTouch? Is it another company or is it Apple? When the iPod first came out things were even worse than this, nd it's turned into the most popular mp3 player. There were also Creative, Archos and many other bigger, faster, np3 players with better hardware..but that's not what the people wanted.

The iPhone, laughed at for not having this or that, no 3G, no MMS, no ringtones, and the rest is history.

See, I think that's where some of you are wrong. I didn't come wanting to thrash it. I came in asking questions of who this is aimed at, what is the market, what functionality does improve on or combine, and in general ask I think fair questions on what a tablet should be and do. Unfortunately, as me and others have pointed out, Apple's answer to those questions seem to be that they're not quite sure either.

A lot of the stuff you are pointing out all involve a wait and see it evolve type view. You're betting on something that doesn't exist or hasn't been shown yet. You're already betting on multitasking coming and OS 4.0. That's just a bit unfair to claim it's all coming when none of us know what's coming Why is it not fair to judge on what Apple showed us? I think it's extremely fair to judge on the merits of what exists and was shown instead of potential and hopes that you think will come to be some day.

I'm not one who was pushing for OSX in a tablet. I just wanted something that showed me something different that was unique to the iPad. The conference really did nothing but show it as an iPhone/iTouch with a larger screen. It's not my fault that's how they presented it. Sure I can sit here and imagine infinite possibilities but I'm making judgement on what Apple showed me and how they showed it. I don't think it was too much to ask for to have Apple show me something new. That's all I'm asking. Stylus input for note taking and transcribing e-mails combined with multitasking would have gone a long way and I honestly don't think that's asking for a lot. It's certainly no Unicorn like someone else likes to put it. I think that's fair.

When Apple unveiled the iPhone, I knew it was going to be amazing the second I saw it. It was extremely hard to put up with my crappy phone for an extra year to wait for the 3G version but I held out. Several times I almost caved but I commited myself to wait for the second iteration. The key things that sold me that day. Safari and Visual Voice Mail. I knew it didn't have everything that other phones had. I hoped some of that would get fixed as most of it was software related. What it did have were things that just was not available in other devices at the time. That is what wowed me. That is what sold me. That is what convinced me it would be big. Replicating the web experience in your hand unlike no other device ever before. That was huge. So I saw greatness there. I don't see some defining feature like that here and that is why I'm disappointed.

Again simple things like multitasking and a new method of interface would have gone a long way to give me something to chew on. And again, I don't think that's me gunning to hope it would fail. I think that's just being fair and not giving Apple a pass. I have eight Apple products in my house so I don't think I sit here wanting Apple to fail. In fact I put bigger hope in them knowing what kind of influence and at times what kind of genius they can invoke in not only a product but how they can define a market. I just feel they didn't do it here and I think I've made valid and reasonable points as to why.
 
mrkgoo said:
He's not referring to just plain utility, but neat stuff like using your iPod touch as a multigesture touch pad for your computer for example. I have a touchpad app that is real useful for when I want to control my mac from a short distance. I have an app that controls my DSLR, giving me live view and manual settings. That kind of thing. Even some fun apps like Ocarina, and Autotune show a lot of imagination.

Of course a netbook will win out in sheer utility. No-ones arguing that. But there's a lot of neat apps for the iPod touch that are unique to the form factor and utilize the strengths of the form factor - yes, they won't scale to an iPad, but we're seeing the potential that the same imagination will be exercised to make it neat.

I'm going to say it again, this doesn't mean I think the appstore is better than all the apps available for a computer.

Those sound real neat, and they seem like exactly the sort of software that should be highlighted on these machines.

The more I think about it the more the comparisons (of which I've participated in) between netbooks and the iPad are missing the mark. In that vein, I wonder if it was a misstep to show off iWork during the presentation (I haven't watched it), and maybe games, too, to a lesser degree.

It seems to be at its most desirable as a lifestyle accessory, something that can slip into your life and let you do different things. I think this is why people are upset about the seemingly lack of connectivity. A product like these seems expertly poised for inserting itself into your house as a necessity. It gives off such a house of the future vibe (think how nice it could be in the kitchen--being able to read a recipe while chatting on video phone while cooking would be great! I wonder how the screen holds up to messy kitchen hands.) that it's short comings are all the more apparent.
 
SaggyMonkey said:
I could see liking a pad version of Final Draft. Especially if you had a sort of virtual cork board for rearranging scene index cards or even drawings to replicate storyboarding. (I can't draw well, but maybe if a writer were given some posable figures and a stack of camera orientations, you could rough in some scenes where you think some action or angle is particularly important.)
Holy shit, this would be amazing. I would buy Final Draft iPad in a heartbeat.

Give me that and a sweet tabletop style strategy game and the $500 is more than justified, not counting the built in stuff.
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
iWork will be good on this, it's going to be interesting indeed. You'll be foolish to think that Apple aren't preparing iPad versions of Logic, Aperture, Final Cut and their other 1st party apps.

There's no way in hell this thing could run Logic on its best day. My dual core 2.16 GHz with 3 gigs of RAM still gets system resource errors popping up from time to time. Logic would melt the iPad into goo.
 
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LiveFromKyoto said:
There's no way in hell this thing could run Logic on its best day. My dual core 2.16 GHz with 3 gigs of RAM still gets system resource errors popping up from time to time. Logic would melt the iPad into goo.

You didn't see the part when I said iPad versions of..

Not the whole package, but a smaller version...
 
Marty Chinn said:
See, I think that's where some of you are wrong. I didn't come wanting to thrash it. I came in asking questions of who this is aimed at, what is the market, what functionality does improve on or combine, and in general ask I think fair questions on what a tablet should be and do. Unfortunately, as me and others have pointed out, Apple's answer to those questions seem to be that they're not quite sure either.

A lot of the stuff you are pointing out all involve a wait and see it evolve type view. You're betting on something that doesn't exist or hasn't been shown yet. You're already betting on multitasking coming and OS 4.0. That's just a bit unfair to claim it's all coming when none of us know what's coming Why is it not fair to judge on what Apple showed us? I think it's extremely fair to judge on the merits of what exists and was shown instead of potential and hopes that you think will come to be some day.

I'm not one who was pushing for OSX in a tablet. I just wanted something that showed me something different that was unique to the iPad. The conference really did nothing but show it as an iPhone/iTouch with a larger screen. It's not my fault that's how they presented it. Sure I can sit here and imagine infinite possibilities but I'm making judgement on what Apple showed me and how they showed it. I don't think it was too much to ask for to have Apple show me something new. That's all I'm asking. Stylus input for note taking and transcribing e-mails combined with multitasking would have gone a long way and I honestly don't think that's asking for a lot. It's certainly no Unicorn like someone else likes to put it. I think that's fair.

When Apple unveiled the iPhone, I knew it was going to be amazing the second I saw it. It was extremely hard to put up with my crappy phone for an extra year to wait for the 3G version but I held out. Several times I almost caved but I commited myself to wait for the second iteration. The key things that sold me that day. Safari and Visual Voice Mail. I knew it didn't have everything that other phones had. I hoped some of that would get fixed as most of it was software related. What it did have were things that just was not available in other devices at the time. That is what wowed me. That is what sold me. That is what convinced me it would be big. Replicating the web experience in your hand unlike no other device ever before. That was huge. So I saw greatness there. I don't see some defining feature like that here and that is why I'm disappointed.

Again simple things like multitasking and a new method of interface would have gone a long way to give me something to chew on. And again, I don't think that's me gunning to hope it would fail. I think that's just being fair and not giving Apple a pass. I have eight Apple products in my house so I don't think I sit here wanting Apple to fail. In fact I put bigger hope in them knowing what kind of influence and at times what kind of genius they can invoke in not only a product but how they can define a market. I just feel they didn't do it here and I think I've made valid and reasonable points as to why.


For the most part, I think you've been fair in your judgements and requests. I have no problem with you. I think the thing is that you do throw back a lot of points. In fact you probably feel the same way about those you're throwing back to, and you wouldn't be entirely wrong.

Both sides here are making fair points, but both sides think the other isn't listening, so the arguments go round and around in circles.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with anyone here, if there is, top of the list would be myself. I know I'm going to wake from my delirium of the past few days (I've spent way too long up and in these threads), and probably regret posting half the crap I have. I'm certain I'm on half of your ignore lists by now... :p
 
I suppose if you were networked into a central server at a studio. You share some of the processing and storage with the server and use it almost like a portable/presentable editing bay. Maybe you'd make notes or cuts live in front of a group at a meeting.

Yes this could happen with a laptop plugged into a projector. But there's something to be said for smaller, slicker, easier.
 
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