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[leroy hacker]

The courier looks cool in concept, but it sounds very pie in the sky, and if it meets the concepts, likely to be expensive. When is it 'due'? It's possible the iPad could've reached an iteration down the line. Still sounds like very different products to me.

They certainly are different products. The Courier is designed for productivity and the iPad is much more entertainment focused.

However, the Courier is definitely not pie in the sky. It is based on, though more advanced than, software that exists right now and that I use everyday, Microsoft's InkSeine.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/23/codex-and-inkseine-the-roots-of-microsofts-courier/

 

[VariantX04]

Is the keynote available to download? Every link I've seen links me to a stream.

 

[Quake1028]

Damn, can't believe they got it out at $500.

 

[Dabanton]

Was love it,need it,buy it.

Really the official thread title?

 

[Empty]

It was at first, yeah. Then it was something like 'love it or hate it, buy it or not buy it (just don't troll it).

 

[shantyman]

I think for me it would be great. I tend to consume and not create with mobile computers- web surf, etc so it fills that niche quite nicely. I think my wife could probably use it instead of a full laptop definitely.

We have a desktop too which we can use when you need to do things like burn DVDs, etc. So for me I think it would work very well, but most people complain about what it doesn’t have instead of what it does have.

 

[GashPrex]

any details on iphone/ipad data integration? I saw the sim card problem/"innovation" so I know that idea is out.

I am not paying another 30 a month for 3g service when I already have it.

 

[shantyman]

The more I think about it, the less I like this thing. Its limitations are downright preposterous. As someone who already owns a netbook and iPhone, I literally see zero justification for owning this product.

You already have products in the niche, so why would you? Maybe when you replace your netbook you'll think differently.

I think it's amusing how every time Apple releases something new, people act like if it is not good enough for them to warrant buying to replace everything they already own it's not good enough.

 

[Canova]

so I assume if you're running it for a long time, heat won't be a problem right?

 

[MrHicks]

how are you supposed to surf the web without flash anyway?
don't like the vast majority of sites use it?

retarded

 

[SmokyDave]

I honestly can't even see anyone comparing/choosing this over a netbook (despite what Steve may think).

I know I'm only one person but that's exactly what I'd be doing. I held off my netbook purchase with the specific intention of seeing if Apple launched something like this.

 

[Dragon]

how are you supposed to surf the web without flash anyway?
don't like the vast majority of sites use it?

retarded

:lol

Vast majority? Depends on your browsing habit. To be honest most of the time the things that are in Flash are silly ads anyway.

 

[neorej]

BTW, am I the only one who thought of a certain Sony-product when they announced the name?

 

[shantyman]

Can someone tell me what MAJOR functionality you get out of a netbook that the iPad does not allow for? I get that you can't stream internet radio or chat while doing other things.

 

[VariantX04]

Do you brits pronounce it as iPod? I believe

Spoiler

not really

that could cause some issues with sales reps.

 

[SnakeXs]

Can someone tell me what MAJOR functionality you get out of a netbook that the iPad does not allow for? I get that you can't stream internet radio or chat while doing other things.

This is the question I've been positing for a while, and aside from streaming music and instant messaging, or some obscure little program they need Windows for, I haven't heard a single solid reply. Just NETBOOKS = MORE FOR LESS and little more. And Flash, but that one is blown entirely out of proportion, if you ask me. Youtube is what most people really care about, and it's covered.

And this is all before the launch, the possibilities of 4.0, and one thing I've also brought up a bunch of times to no avail, the App Store. At the end of the day its core functionality could very well deliver, but Apps are going to make it shine.

 

[masud]

An apple netbook would be pretty cool. This just seems like a large phone. I don't really see the point of the product. I would think that most of it's potential customers would be better off with a pda and/or actual netbook.

 

[shantyman]

The one complaint I have with the presentation was one I have not heard enough as legitimate complaint- they did not show enough iPad specific software. Did they show anything other than Nova and iWork?

This is the question I've been positing for a while, and aside from streaming music and instant messaging, or some obscure little program they need Windows for, I haven't heard a single solid reply. Just NETBOOKS = MORE FOR LESS and little more. And Flash, but that one is blown entirely out of proportion, if you ask me. Youtube is what most people really care about, and it's covered.

And this is all before the launch, the possibilities of 4.0, and one thing I've also brought up a bunch of times to no avail, the App Store. At the end of the day its core functionality could very well deliver, but Apps are going to make it shine.

Agreed. Hulu is a complaint I suppose. Does anyone think the iPad will look the same in 2 years in terms of what it does? Look at the leap the iPhone has taken.

 

[gofreak]

I know I'm only one person but that's exactly what I'd be doing. I held off my netbook purchase with the specific intention of seeing if Apple launched something like this.

For all my cribbing about this implementation, I've also held out on a netbook too precisely in the expectation of someone 'nailing' the tablet. I was almost certain Apple would, but I think we'll have to wait for future revisions. I want a nicer design (smaller bevel), multi-tasking, camera etc... that contactless tech would be ideal too.

Then again I haven't looked much around to see what the other tablet solutions are like. Maybe someone has cracked my functionality needs already (although I doubt they have on the design front).

 

[dem]

This made me want a netbook

 

[Raydeen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ_WElekei4

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

Can someone tell me what MAJOR functionality you get out of a netbook that the iPad does not allow for? I get that you can't stream internet radio or chat while doing other things.

Or have a hardware keyboard, or run standard programs (read - nonadapted)



ps - I actually like the product and feel people are being harsh. It is a computer for the people who dont want to be tied to a desk. Netbooks still by and large require a flat surface or the user to sit down so it can rest on your lap. This does not, you can use it lying on your bed, on the toilet, in the kitchen it is a computer for those who do not use computers. Think about it you can whip it out of your "man bag" as you walk the street and browse the internet as u stroll try managing that with a netbook with any degree of aplomb.

To the people complaining about cameras why how often do you video chat I have seen a grand total of 1 person using video chat on their phone in my entire life. The camera will never be good enough to be dedicated so it will be a dedicated webcam. Damn thing isn't even geared towards telephony.


What I don't like about it is simple

- No GPS: wtf Apple using maps on the go would be great augmented reality and reviews on one screen = awesome (GPS - is on the 3G version should be system wide IMO)

- its just a tarted up iTouch

- the lack of OS customisation: I really believe you need a new interface to deal with the product properly and Apple has not delivered

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

This made me want a netbook

Perfect! Want to buy mine? I'm dumping it for the iPad.

As a frequent traveler, who goes to a lot of distant/remote places, this device is perfect for my needs. Even more so than the netbook I bought last year. Yes, I admit I'll need to pick up a few extras to cover the bases, namely the camera pack, iWork, and probably that great little case too.

I"m also willing to bet that 4.0 will deliver multitasking in a few months time too.

 

[scorcho]

any details on iphone/ipad data integration? I saw the sim card problem/"innovation" so I know that idea is out.

I am not paying another 30 a month for 3g service when I already have it.

that you will my friend, that you will. from what i've read they're using a newfangled mini-SIM card whose slot likely won't be able to hold a traditional SIM card.

while i'm ever the eternal optimist, i severely doubt Apple will allow bluetooth tethering to a network access point (aka iphone). the only other option would be to get a mobile 3g access point that allows wifi tethering. either that or jailbreak your iphone and use Mifi

 

[SnakeXs]

The one complaint I have with the presentation was one I have not heard enough as legitimate complaint- they did not show enough iPad specific software. Did they show anything other than Nova and iWork?



Agreed. Hulu is a complaint I suppose. Does anyone think the iPad will look the same in 2 years in terms of what it does? Look at the leap the iPhone has taken.

They showed NYTimes, but even the devs at the presentation were only brought in 2-3 weeks ago. I imagine part of the 60 day wait is to let devs dig in their heels. Scott Forstall even said, there's bound to be a second gold rush for this thing.

Hulu's had a "coming soon" App for ages, though. Word is they're just waiting for them to go subscription based before launching it, so in time that'll be covered, too.

 

[Vennt]

A netbook is just entirely the wrong form factor for me, I'd consider another tablet but it would have to be silent (no fans whatsoever), as light as the iPad (1.5lbs) and offer similar battery performance.

I was really interested in the CrunchPad, the Notion Ink Adam and similar, but so far the Android interface on the Adam just looks ugly as sin, the CrunchPad is dead, and for me having iPhone app compatibility outweighs things in favour of the iPad.

Being told a Netbook is "better for me", when honestly, it just isn't, irks me somewhat, If a netbook filled the gap, I'd own an ION based one already.

 

[Hari Seldon]

You know now that I have slept on it, I am not so hyped anymore. I'm going to check out the competition or simply wait for the tablet that actually meets my needs.


If I was MS I would be gearing up some major revenge attack ads though.

Hello I'm an iPad!
Hello I'm Windows 95!

Hey iPad, I see you have trouble running AIM with your browser.
But Windows 95 you can pinch me to zoom!

Hey Windows 95, check out this cool appstore!
But iPad, can you run programs downloaded from the web?

etc. etc.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

that you will my friend, that you will. from what i've read they're using a newfangled mini-SIM card whose slot likely won't be able to hold a traditional SIM card.

while i'm ever the eternal optimist, i severely doubt Apple will allow bluetooth tethering to a network access point (aka iphone). the only other option would be to get a mobile 3g access point that allows wifi tethering. either that or jailbreak your iphone and use Mifi

I disagree that Apple won't allow you to tether the iPad to your iPhone. I'm willing to bet that'll be an option as well right out of the box. Of course, here in the states, AT&T has to get off their ass and activate tethering.

 

[Lau]

If it's not a phone and not a laptop then wtf is it?

It doesn't run Flash
It runs on a mobile phone OS
It doesn't play HD-videos (no MKV, no processing power, not the resolution)
You can't phone with it
You can't 'work' with it
You can't position it normally (if you check out the video on Apple.com you see everyone has the goddam thing on his lap in a LYING position) So it's no use in a train or something

:-/

 

[neorej]

Or have a hardware keyboard, or run standard programs (read - nonadapted)



ps - I actually like the product and feel people are being harsh. It is a computer for the people who dont want to be tied to a desk. Netbooks still by and large require a flat surface or the user to sit down so it can rest on your lap. This does not, you can use it lying on your bed, on the toilet, in the kitchen it is a computer for those who do not use computers. Think about it you can whip it out of your "man bag" as you walk the street and browse the internet as u stroll try managing that with a netbook with any degree of aplomb.

To the people complaining about cameras why how often do you video chat I have seen a grand total of 1 person using video chat on their phone in my entire life. The camera will never be good enough to be dedicated so it will be a dedicated webcam. Damn thing isn't even geared towards telephony.


What I don't like about it is simple

- No GPS: wtf Apple using maps on the go would be great augmented reality and reviews on one screen = awesome

- its just a tarted up iTouch

- the lack of OS customisation: I really believe you need a new interface to deal with the product properly and Apple has not delivered

I like it overall, but these things put me on the fence as well. If it had those and an IR-transmitter, it would've been a no-brainer: it would be the ultimate gadget to surf the web, read books, listen to tunes AND control your home-entertainment-center. Man, I would come so hard.

 

[jts]

- No GPS: wtf Apple using maps on the go would be great augmented reality and reviews on one screen = awesome

It does have GPS, at least the 3G model. So there ya go.

 

[jts]

If it's not a phone and not a laptop then wtf is it?

It doesn't run Flash

Cool. Flash needs to get out of the interwebs, at least as a necessity. The more successful products that don't support iT the merrier.

It runs on a mobile phone OS

A mobile OS.

It doesn't play HD-videos (no MKV, no processing power, not the resolution)

It plays HD videos. It's on the spec sheet.

You can't phone with it

You can phone with it. VOIP.

You can't 'work' with it

What do you think iWork and other office suites are for?

:-/

:-\

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

If it's not a phone and not a laptop then wtf is it?

It doesn't run Flash
It runs on a mobile phone OS
It doesn't play HD-videos (no MKV, no processing power, not the resolution)
You can't phone with it
You can't 'work' with it
You can't position it normally (if you check out the video on Apple.com you see everyone has the goddam thing on his lap in a LYING position) So it's no use in a train or something

:-/

- It doesn't run flash for a reason. The web is moving to HTML5, and with YouTube making the jump, it'll probably be sooner than later.
-No surprise on it running the Mobile OS X
- It does play HD video.
-It's not a phone. Why would you want it to make calls?
- You can do work with it. Thus the reason iWork was released for it
- It remains to be seen how comfortable it is to use in a variety of positions, and there are obviously solutions to this already coming as well.

 

[Ghost]

Cool. Flash needs to get out of the interwebs, at least as a necessity. The more successful products that don't support iT the merrier.

:lol

Yes, thank you altruistic apple overlords, your refusal to allow anyone to do anything that might circumvent your control over software distribution is a truly a just and noble act for which we are all very grateful.

 

[Bboy AJ]

One of the strangest things to me is Slide to Unlock. I feel like the designers just slapped the OS design together. No, there's nothing wrong with using the iPhone OS. Just clean it up a little to work on a tablet. It's really strange as it is.

 

[SnakeXs]

:lol

Yes, thank you altruistic apple overlords, your refusal to allow anyone to do anything that might circumvent your control over software distribution is a truly a just and noble act for which we are all very grateful.

Please tell me all these wonderful things you do with Flash that you'd miss in this device, beyond a few streaming video sites like Vimeo and the -tube sites.

Beyond that, it's more than just controlling software. It's not being at the mercy of Adobe. What if Apple allowed Adobe to run Flash on the iPhone OS, and the iPad ran a different architecture? They'd be shit out of luck until Adobe chose to develop it.

Then the whole "Flash crashes more than just about anything else" thing, which especially on a device like the iPhone/iPad would reflect on the device itself. Nobody would care that Flash crashed, or why. They'd care that their iDevice crashed to the home screen.

 

[Lau]

Cool. Flash needs to get out of the interwebs, at least as a necessity. The more successful products that don't support iT the merrier.

Flash video maybe. Interactive applications probably won't, and won't for a long long time.

A mobile OS.

Operating system: iPhone OS 3.2

It plays HD videos. It's on the spec sheet.

My 7 year old PC also plays HD-movies, but it runs like crap.

You can phone with it. VOIP.

Sorry man, thats not a 'phone'.

What do you think iWork and other office suites are for?

So you can only work with text-editors. Great!

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

- It doesn't run flash for a reason. The web is moving to HTML5, and with YouTube making the jump, it'll probably be sooner than later.

And the websites which use flash for navigation, presentation, games, useful programs etc....

come now Apple don't want it to run flash not because the web will be moving on soon. True I don't like flash being a closed standard but sh*t it pretty much all over the web at this point. Flash encompasses a whole lot more than video.

@jts: ty for correction will update my post

 

[greepoman]

Posted in different thread but then didn't see it here:

Steve Jobs Introduces new iPad

 

[ToxicAdam]

I know I always feel crippled when I spend hours upon hours playing free Flash games or listening to free music on streaming sites.

Damn you, proprietary format that gives me free content! Damn you to hell!


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[SnakeXs]

Flash video maybe. Interactive applications probably won't, and won't for a long long time.

Such as? Flash driven sites are a rarity, and web apps are driven by js and ajax and the like.

My 7 year old PC also plays HD-movies, but it runs like crap.

Which is why Apple doesn't let anything under the sun run. It's limiting, but whatever you play on this thing will play flawlessly.

Sorry man, thats not a 'phone'.

I was unaware it was trying to be.

So you can only work with text-editors. Great!

And spreadsheets, and email, and even presentations. What else do you want for a device like this? Not to mention App Store Apps.

 

[jts]

Flash video maybe. Interactive applications probably won't, and won't for a long long time.



Operating system: iPhone OS 3.2



My 7 year old PC also plays HD-movies, but it runs like crap.



Sorry man, thats not a 'phone'.



So you can only work with text-editors. Great!

Of course it's not a phone. Do you seriously want a A4-sized device as mobile phone? :lol

Yeah, not sure where you getting that HD videos run like crap on it... also if you're worried about things running like crap, why are you upset with the lack of flash support? If there's one thing that can run like crap even on i7 powered machines it's flash.

iWork and other office suites (amongst thousands of other applications) = you can only work with text editors. Gotcha.

 

[VAIL]

:lol at people defending the lack of flash support, flash "might" be going away, but it's certainly not happening anytime soon.

This is a lazy effort plain and simple.

 

[datruth29]

The more and more I think about it......the more and more I realize that this isn't suppose to be replacing netbooks. At all. As a matter of fact, I would assume that whoever gets this, probably already has a netbook/laptop/desktop to work with it. I mean, think about it. The iPad doesn't even have a USB Port (sold separately, which is still kinda absurd). It doesn't have multi-tasking (yet, hopefully with a firmware upgrade). Can I even print from this thing? What I see this as, is an AWESOME content viewer. And that's it. I may consider getting the second version of this, depending upon where they take it. Right now, it's still too fresh, missing too many features, and frankly just doesn't fit into my lifestyle at the moment.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

Moving away from Flash doesnt necessitate completely blocking a format that has material and roots going all the way back a fucking decade. The real source is that enabling Flash makes probably at least half if not far more of the Apps store's games irrelvant. I'm sorry, but can we drop the selfess soldier of proprietary formats act and try and get that Quicktime tatoo removed at the same time?

 

[VAIL]

Moving away from Flash doesnt necessitate completely blocking a format that has material and roots going all the way back a fucking decade. The real source is that enabling Flash makes probably at least half if not far more of the Apps store and games irrelevant. I'm sorry, but can we drop the selfess soldier of proprietary formats act and try and get that Quicktime tatoo removed at the same time?

Bingo...

 

[D4Danger]

:lol at people defending the lack of flash support, flash "might" be going away, but it's certainly not happening anytime soon.

This is a lazy effort plain and simple.

It's all politics.

Apple don't control Flash so it's out.

 

[Lau]

Of course it's not a phone. Do you seriously want a A4-sized device as mobile phone?

No I don't, I never said I wanted. In fact, I said: if it's not a phone and it's not a laptop then what is it?

In which someone replied:

"You can VOIP"

and I said:

"That's not a phone"



simple as that.

 

[shantyman]

If it's not a phone and not a laptop then wtf is it?

It runs on a mobile phone OS

This is not correct. It's a variant and not the iPhone OS.

EDIT: there are clearly differences from the stock iPhone OS, but they are clearly using the same base.

 

[dude]

This device is just weird. Sure, I'm not the biggest Apple fan, so I expected to not be impressed but the tablet. But really, I just don't understand the target audience that would but this, what gap does this super-sized iPhone is intended to fill?