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For all the bashing Flash gets from certain people, I'm amazed how uninformed (and obsolete) most of the complaints are. Today's Flash is a much different beast than it was from actionscrip 1 times. It's nice to see an article like this.DataStream said:
Steve Youngblood
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No student is going to write a paper on this thing if it DID have multi-tasking. This isn't that kind of machine.Charred Greyface said:
LiveFromKyoto
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Steve Youngblood said:
Well, it's got Pages, sure it is.
SuperPac
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Charred Greyface said:
Well if any company is going to make apps that *can* multitask it's Apple. And they make iWork. So I wouldn't count this stuff out just yet (and besides, someone else could make a word processor that allows you to have multiple files open at once in addition to a web browser...this seems pretty simple to me).
But besides that, I do enjoy how people in this thread love pulling situations out of the air that the iPad wouldn't be good at. Do they have to justify why it's not good that badly?
Really? People are spending a lot of energy vehemently spewing hate on this.Steve Youngblood
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It serves that function, yes. But that's not the real purpose of this machine. They're facilitating the possibility, but this thing wasn't designed with the assumption that college kids are going to ditch their desktops or laptops and use this as their primary computer.LiveFromKyoto said:
Schlep said:You can multitask IM on the iPad the same as iPhone/iPod Touch. Beejive IM is a great program with push notifications, and knowing those guys, they'll make a really good iPad version of the program as well.
SephCast said:
SuperPac said:
Yeah, I have BeeJive. I think its great. If the multitasking situation doesn't change, I think you'll see some apps developed to counter that for those that TRULY need it. For example, Let's say BeeJive people release "BeeJive+Browser", where there's a browser on the right, and an IM on the left.
Inelegant for sure, but you will likely see this sort of thing. (and of course doesn't solve any issue of IM plus other app).
I personally quite like the notification system that apple has in place for the iPhone.
No, because she's dead.wayward archer said:
BUt as I wrote above, my parents are exactly that type of person. And no, I won't buy an iPad for them either, because they can buy their own damn iPad. But I'd definitely recommend one over any other computer at this stage.
Pristine_Condition
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border said:
Go forth and research Notion Ink. See what you can find out about the company.
The product and the company are both in the class of The Phantom game system right now. I'm not being mean when I say this, I'm just telling it like it is.
I tend to root for the underdog, but they have a lot to prove. Right now, they are just a bunch of mostly IT guys from India with a dream and a prototype encased in wood that looks very much like a prototype. Now they've got a render of a final design too. Big deal. The prototype as seen at CES looks more like a demo unit for the new Pixel Qi screen technology than an actual product that people need.
That's not to say they couldn't pull it off, (hell, Apple started off with Woz and Steve in a garage with a wood-encased computer too) but it's a hard slog for a new company.
Unfortunately too, this is not the same world Woz and Steve faced when starting Apple. These guys will face a very competitive space, with big multi-billion dollar players clogging the lane. When Woz and Steve started Apple, the space was filled with a few products for hobbyists. Conversely, when these guys hit the market in (hopefully) late 2010, they'll be looking at a flood of competing products from huge, established multinational computing companies with massive marketing budgets, and an Apple product that will already be on the marketplace for six months, featured in 280+ Apple Stores around the world, seen on TV, and passed around and demoed by consumers in coffee shops, on the street and in peoples' homes. Never mind the head start Apple will have a mature portfolio of services, thousands of apps, and numerous accessories for the product.
Aside from the problem that the company has no track record and very limited infrastructure and resources, the device itself uses a very new and ambitious set of brand-new components, especially the screen, which is the star of the show, also from a start up company, which is just now entering the mass production phase. Aggressive pricing comes with scale, and right now, that scale doesn't exist for Notion Ink at all. Anyone familiar with this stuff knows how this production ramp goes. There are almost always problems when trying to ramp up a product to scale. Those problems result in delays, or you have to throw a bunch of money at the problem to engineer it away.
It's one thing for a company like Apple or HP to dictate pricing and production terms on a new processor or a touch screen or a device assembly to a fab or manufacturer--they can afford to order a massive scale like 5 million units right off the bat and pay the fabs and manufacturers in cash guarantees for meeting the contract. A company like Notion Ink is depending on the fabs making its components to reach scale and low prices on its own.
Also, from what I'm reading, Notion Ink was going about selling this device at CES with a pricing model dependent on heavy subsidization from phone companies. That means contracts for data services, a concept that Apple has summarily dismissed. Also, that means getting the carriers on board. This is a tough enough negotiating problem for an established company like RIM, Nokia, and Samsung when they bring a new device to market, and was a seriously tough problem for Apple, who had a 30+ year legacy of producing products but no phone experience...how tough is it going to be for Notion Ink?
I find it amazing that forum posters and bloggers are so quick to criticize this very real product, which we'll be able to have in our hands in two months, and compare it to a product that doesn't exist, from a company that barely exists.
Microsoft and especially Apple fans get accused of "drinking the Kool-Aid" all the time. At least in the case of those two companies, there actually is Kool-Aid to drink. There are a lot of people on these forums and in the blogosphere drinking the Notion Ink "Kool-Aid," and failing to realize that they are drinking from a completely empty glass.
ScrabbleDude
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This is easy. The student should buy more than one.Charred Greyface said:
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Steve Youngblood said:
For me it's not writing a paper but taking notes and the such. If you could dual screen pages and an ebook to write stuff down or write on the ebook and then export the notes I would buy this in a second. I just want something to display my book and jot down notes that I can look at on my computer or give someone.
I don't even mind that there is no real multi-tasking, but I DO wish I could at least have quick access to certain smaller self-contained utility apps. Like notes, calculator, AIM, FaceBook, DVR Remote, etc. Apps that you launch once in a while to check on something, but then exit out of. Why should I have to exit out of my full-screen iWork to launch a silly low feature app like my remote control or calculator (What is that going to look like on the iPad? Does it even come with it? A huge calculator like those oversized ones you get at Kmart?) when I can have a simple pop-over accessed by a small quick-list dock that could pop up with a simple gesture or something.
That's all I want. Access to the smaller apps without losing the big ones. I don't see why the iPad can't do that when MAC OS 1.0 DID IT 26 YEARS AGO! They were called Desk Accessories. There was a notepad and a calculator and a puzzle and more. They could be accessed and run without leaving AppleWorks or whatever old apps were around in 1984. Since the Mac had low RAM, they were small and could run over top the main app and be gone in an instant. This paradigm would be PERFECT for the iPad. Let's hope Apple thought about it too and has this in store for OS 4.0. If they could offer the option for an iPhone app to run as a Accessory in its smaller iPhone mode, it would be perfect.
Remind you of anything?
All that said, I think the iPad is going to be the next iPod. It will take off and become so commonplace, especially if all the other tablet PC's take off too. 2010 is going to be the year of the Tablet.
But will tablets kill desktop or laptop computers? No. They will always be companions. Simple machines for when you just want to lounge watching TV and have the internet in your hands without having to hold your MacBook on your lap.
What's weird is that I actually think the iPad could be the computer that finally gets my mom to use a computer. She reads books all the time. But never uses her email because she doesn't know how to turn the PC on. Maybe I can get my dad to look into it too because this might be the answer. It's simple enough for her. And would keep us from having a house filled with books... which it already is. There's a fucking library in our basement.
Designed it myself. The main buttons, pause/play, replay 7 seconds and 30-second skip are easy to access at the bottom. The rest are big enough to almost hit by habit without having to look down most of the time. I never even use my actual TiVo remote anymore. Saves so much money on batteries and only cost $2.99.
If I could have an iPad with a small quick-access dock that could load this app in an instant in a pop-over then dismiss in an instant without having to leave Safari or iWork or whatever I am working on at the time, it would be PHENOMENAL!
I also have remotes for my computer and remotes for iTunes. Being able to open either of those in a pop-over would be so convenient. PLEASE THINK THE SAME WAY AS I DO, APPLE!
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That's all I want. Access to the smaller apps without losing the big ones. I don't see why the iPad can't do that when MAC OS 1.0 DID IT 26 YEARS AGO! They were called Desk Accessories. There was a notepad and a calculator and a puzzle and more. They could be accessed and run without leaving AppleWorks or whatever old apps were around in 1984. Since the Mac had low RAM, they were small and could run over top the main app and be gone in an instant. This paradigm would be PERFECT for the iPad. Let's hope Apple thought about it too and has this in store for OS 4.0. If they could offer the option for an iPhone app to run as a Accessory in its smaller iPhone mode, it would be perfect.
Remind you of anything?
All that said, I think the iPad is going to be the next iPod. It will take off and become so commonplace, especially if all the other tablet PC's take off too. 2010 is going to be the year of the Tablet.
But will tablets kill desktop or laptop computers? No. They will always be companions. Simple machines for when you just want to lounge watching TV and have the internet in your hands without having to hold your MacBook on your lap.
What's weird is that I actually think the iPad could be the computer that finally gets my mom to use a computer. She reads books all the time. But never uses her email because she doesn't know how to turn the PC on. Maybe I can get my dad to look into it too because this might be the answer. It's simple enough for her. And would keep us from having a house filled with books... which it already is. There's a fucking library in our basement.
DVR Remote (Confusing name, ugly icon) is the best TiVo remote I have ever used. It works via TiVo's Network Remote feature and allows access to all allowed commands. It even has the ability to be skinned with your own remote. I made my own. I am very proud of what I designed...GodfatherX said:
Designed it myself. The main buttons, pause/play, replay 7 seconds and 30-second skip are easy to access at the bottom. The rest are big enough to almost hit by habit without having to look down most of the time. I never even use my actual TiVo remote anymore. Saves so much money on batteries and only cost $2.99.
If I could have an iPad with a small quick-access dock that could load this app in an instant in a pop-over then dismiss in an instant without having to leave Safari or iWork or whatever I am working on at the time, it would be PHENOMENAL!
I also have remotes for my computer and remotes for iTunes. Being able to open either of those in a pop-over would be so convenient. PLEASE THINK THE SAME WAY AS I DO, APPLE!
I had a Talking Teacher. The blue landscape alternative to Speak and Spell.border said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaDVSDduuco
SuperPac said:Well if any company is going to make apps that *can* multitask it's Apple. And they make iWork. So I wouldn't count this stuff out just yet (and besides, someone else could make a word processor that allows you to have multiple files open at once in addition to a web browser...this seems pretty simple to me).
But besides that, I do enjoy how people in this thread love pulling situations out of the air that the iPad wouldn't be good at. Do they have to justify why it's not good that badly?
I guess it works both ways, since we're equally pulling out situations to try and justify that certain situations are possible.
Look, there's no two ways about it. The iPad in its current form doesn't do multitasking. Is it a big deal for me? No, because the implementation of apps is fairly transparent. If I can zip between apps at a fair pace, then it doesn't bother me.
If Pages works such that I'm typing away and I need to look something up on wikipedia, I click home, "Wikipanion", do my search, click home, and back into Pages and pick up where I left off, cursor blinking in the same place, then it doesn't bug me.
Yes, sometimes I need to see the wikipedia page right next to my document window (i.e. a diagram I'm writing about, for example). Guess what? I will do that on my computer. Hell, maybe I'll fire up my iPad in wikipedia alone and prop that up next to my laptop. I win!
Schlep said:You can multitask IM on the iPad the same as iPhone/iPod Touch. Beejive IM is a great program with push notifications, and knowing those guys, they'll make a really good iPad version of the program as well.
No offense, but the notification system of IMs just doesn't work for me. I can't stand that I have to close out of Safari on my iPhone just to reply to a text message. If I can't access my entire buddy list without closing Safari on the iPad, I can deal with that. But I need to at least be able to reply in the pop-up window. Hopefully they get that sorted out.
Looking at the history of Apple's development strategy I see a pattern of entering existing markets followed by gradually expanding the boundaries of those markets. So iPod didn't invent the MP3 market; Apple produced a device that it believed reformed the market standard by offering bigger storage, better interface, and better industrial design than competitors. Likewise with iPhone Apple didn't invent the mobile phone market or the smartphone subset of that market; the product was intended to reform that market with typical Apple design values. The pattern holds even with the failed AppleTV; the market for multi-media boxes already existed in nascent form and Apple designed a product to dominate it through their normal reformation methods.Steve Youngblood said:
So turning to the iPad I'm inclined to look for another existing market Apple's has decided to reform. The e-reader market seems the most obvious candidate because of the form factor and the over-air content delivery method (from this perspective the AT&T 3G deal looks like an attempt to match Kindle's Whispernet on a bullet-point comparison chart). I think, though, that it may be too far outside the core Kindle demographic with some of its design values to really do much reformation there- it's considerably more expensive, it lacks the readable e-ink screen, its battery life will be shorter, Whispernet is free, and so forth. In exchange it offers a cluster of abilities that look much more like handheld portable devices- touch keyboard, simple but limited interface, signed apps, iPhone's web browser, and so forth.
The other possible target market for reforming would be the netbook or bottom-end laptop market. It looks breathtakingly limited in comparison, though... the feature list is dominated with things left out, like a keyboard, most wired connectivity, flexible access to the file system, industry standard storage space, multitasking, and so forth, and all at a premium in comparison to the vast established netbook market. Perhaps Apple is correct that most of the functionality of netbooks is beside the point and consumers are willing to lose features and pay more money to gain portability and style. We shall see.
The device category that shares the function and interface with the iPad is the multimedia smartphone or MP3 market- iPhone and its competitors and the iPod Touch. Once again, though, essential features such as maximum portability and telephony are missing from the iPad. It clearly gains a much larger multimedia display and an improvement to the interface in the balance... but those things were sacrificed from smartphones for a reason; pocket portability was a non-negotiable requirement of the consumers buying smartphones and MP3 players. Thus the iPad is fenced away from competing as an iPhone or Touch replacement for the large majority of users, and clearly Apple expects this- they could not position iPad to replace these devices without leaching customers from their very successful iPhone platform.
Thus the iPad is locked in this nowhere land, hemmed between e-readers, netbooks, and smartphones. Perhaps there is the possibility of another category there waiting for the iPad to reveal latent consumer demand. I don't see the iPad successfully marginalizing any of those three categories, though, so it must exist in tandem with them. And on those terms how many will add yet another device to their collection, and where is the "killer app" that will convince them to further clutter up their digital toolbox? For the mass market I don't think it exists, yet.
That table cements iPad for me. I can't see the notion getting any traction, and the HP slate is interesting but its still just windows with touch replacing mouse. How multitouch optimised is it?
I don't want my fingers to be a mouse, I want something that really leverages touch in a meaningful way to change/improve the experience of using a computer day to day
I don't want my fingers to be a mouse, I want something that really leverages touch in a meaningful way to change/improve the experience of using a computer day to day
Steve Youngblood
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Again, where I'm convinced that Apple is targeting is in the netbook consumer realm. Sure, people have taken to them because they're relatively inexpensive, and are indeed more portable, but I think what Jobs and Co are banking on is that, in the long term, people will realize that the netbook isn't really the portable device they craved; it's just what was offered to them.Evlar said:
It's just a smaller, scaled back laptop. Sure, you gain some portability and longer battery life, but it still has the same pitfalls of a laptop. Are the advantages of the netbook really that profound to justify choosing it over a traditional laptop, or worse, to purchase in addition to my laptop? Apple is banking on that not being the case, and this being the device that provides the compromise that people didn't know they wanted from a netbook.
Marty Chinn
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Jasoco said:DVR Remote (Confusing name, ugly icon) is the best TiVo remote I have ever used. It works via TiVo's Network Remote feature and allows access to all allowed commands. It even has the ability to be skinned with your own remote. I made my own. I am very proud of what I designed...
Designed it myself. The main buttons, pause/play, replay 7 seconds and 30-second skip are easy to access at the bottom. The rest are big enough to almost hit by habit without having to look down most of the time. I never even use my actual TiVo remote anymore. Saves so much money on batteries and only cost $2.99.
I don't get why people like this style of remote. Don't get me wrong, there was a point where I was all over a Philips Pronto and couldn't wait to get my hands on one back in the day because of the custom and flexible touch screen interface. But then I got sort of a half assed LCD touch screen remote from Sony and while it wasn't the greatest, it made me realize one thing, touch screen remotes suck.
Why would you want to constantly have to look down at the remote in order to use it? That's the biggest drawback to using remotes like this. When a commercial hits, I like picking up the remote and fast forwarding through the commercial. I can do that with a tactile remote cuz I can feel where the buttons are and know what they do based on that. You can't do that with a touch screen remote and will always have to look down to see what you're about to press. This to me feels more like flash over substance.
Most people should be using Harmony remotes anyway =)
My TiVo. It's better than naming it some obscure dvr04231.44 or something.RubxQub said:
And I said, the main buttons are easily accessible via habit to me. I can almost use it exclusively without looking. Also, Harmony makes one like this. So your point is moot.
As I said, I don't even want multi-tasking. I just want a way to have smaller utility-style apps be accessible through pop-overs without leaving the main app. It's a pain in the ass when I am watching TV and browsing because I am constantly quitting Safari to launch DVR Remote to fast forward, then back to Safari, then back to remote, then back... you get the idea. All the quitting and launching does add up. With a simple always-visible control bar like OS 9's Control Strip, they could implement desk accessory style functionality into the iPad without having to go completely multi-tasking. App developers would, when designing their app, set a flag that will allow it to run as an iPhone sized app in a pop-over when installed on the iPad.
It would make the most sense for IM apps because who wants an AIM client taking up the whole screen when not chatting. Why not have it sit in the background, or not with the use of push, but still accessible at the tap of a finger, and when someone IM's you it shows a little floating notification bubble like the iPhone does now, that when tapped opens the app in a pop-over. It only makes sense! These apps, while making sense to be full screen on the iPhone, would be overkill on an iPad. So make them accessory apps. Problem solved. Notice that the iPad does not have a calculator on its home screen. Yet they demoed a calculator that was built-into the iWork Numbers app. Why? Just make a system-wide accessory feature and make the Calculator one of them. And let developers opt to run their apps like this. Obviously this would be for smaller apps. Not big apps like games and such which would still get iPad native versions.
mrkgoo said:
This is pretty much my only big issue. And its also something I hope the larger screen can accommodate - perhaps Apple can improve the notifications, or allow some kind of split screen mode like with the popups, so you can have a simple chat/email window over/next to a currently active app.
I like a previous poster's suggestion of having smaller apps (including IM?) popping up over 'big' apps. And as old iphone apps can run just fine in a small window right now, it shouldn't be too much of an issue to launch one additional app in a window you could move around over the orignal app.
BTW, background music with ipod works while using other apps - what about other music apps like spotify? (not streaming, offline)
edit: nope, doesn't work.
LiveFromKyoto
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Steve Youngblood said:
Totally disagree. The reason Jobs is saying "this is the most important thing I've ever done" is because they absolutely think can going to replace both those things for most people. It's more portable than either, more comfortable to use at home, straightforward for anyone to pick up and interact with, and has as much power as anybody not using high-end professional apps needs. And it's cheaper than either, but more usable than competing netbooks and gets internet access anywhere.
I really believe they think they've got the definitive computing device for where people are at right now.
Steve Youngblood
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Nobody wants to type academic papers on that touchpad. If your argument is that I can use a BlueTooth keyboard, or that I can use Apple's docking keyboard for papers, then I think you are failing to acknowledge that the regular usage of either completely undermines the casual use nature of this product. Again, look at how Jobs is sitting there demoing it in a comfortable lounge chair. For REAL productivity needs, I'm still better off sticking with my laptop or, better yet, my desktop.LiveFromKyoto said:
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Sriffat said:
What does selling have to do with it? Whether it sells well or does horribly, if it doesn't have things you can use there shouldn't be any reason for you to change your mind.
LiveFromKyoto
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Steve Youngblood said:
No, my argument would be that more people will be perfectly comfortable with a touch pad keyboard than you might think. Nobody was going to want to type out text messages on an iPhone, remember?
I don't know, I haven't used the device so it might turn out to be a dud, but I've come around to what I think was their way of thinking when they designed this thing. For what it's worth I'm not ditching my other stuff either, but if it works the way it's supposed to I can see why it would easily become a default computing device in your life rather than coming home and switching to something that was heavier or tied to a desk or slower to start up, and which while functionally superior at one or two things is ergonomically inferior.
mckmas8808
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Sriffat said:
Or it could be possible that Apple makes good software for it that make people want to buy it.
I'm part of the third group who thinks the Ipad will do ok, but not gangbusters like the itouch. Price has a little bit to do with it, but also apple needs to refine some feature sets and options.
The Ipad could be a thing of brilliance in a couple years, but it isn't quite there yet.
The Ipad could be a thing of brilliance in a couple years, but it isn't quite there yet.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Mrbob said:
Which is fine by most standards.
SephCast said:
Yes.
Sriffat said:
I would not bet on that at all. This thing's success depends on Apple convincing people that it deserves to be wedged into their lives. It doesn't depend on geek-froth inducing things like multitasking. Obviously more features won't hurt, but it won't live or die on a few extra features like that.
Camera is another story, since that adds something major. Live streaming from anywhere, and/or video conferencing from anywhere. Which is huge, if/when it happens. It also brings along the absolutely killer app known as Photo Booth. Anyone with a Mac who's ever had people gather around Photo Booth understands the amazing buzz and fun people unfamiliar with it have.
Firmly do not want a tablet (for myself), but...
Looking at the current offerings, the iPad wins for me because of the IPS display.
Would like to see the Notion (with the PQ display) turn out well, but I don't have much faith.
I'll be recommending the iPad to people who want a "lifestyle" device and a Kindle for people who want to read books.
I just hope that Apple's focus on the IPS display results in other manufacturers going with IPS instead of shitty, shitty, TN. I'd love for "IPS" to be on the must-have features list of every CEO and marketer like touch and now multi-touch (which I don't give a shit about, personally).
I bet Apple specifically went with IPS because they wanted people to be able to see what others were doing on their new iToys. With a phone, iPod, and even a laptop, you generally expect some privacy (and the narrow viewing angle and small size help this). With this monster there's no privacy implied, so Apple may as well make sure everyone can see what people are doing on that new thing, especially as they increase the marketing focus on games.
Looking at the current offerings, the iPad wins for me because of the IPS display.
Would like to see the Notion (with the PQ display) turn out well, but I don't have much faith.
I'll be recommending the iPad to people who want a "lifestyle" device and a Kindle for people who want to read books.
I just hope that Apple's focus on the IPS display results in other manufacturers going with IPS instead of shitty, shitty, TN. I'd love for "IPS" to be on the must-have features list of every CEO and marketer like touch and now multi-touch (which I don't give a shit about, personally).
I bet Apple specifically went with IPS because they wanted people to be able to see what others were doing on their new iToys. With a phone, iPod, and even a laptop, you generally expect some privacy (and the narrow viewing angle and small size help this). With this monster there's no privacy implied, so Apple may as well make sure everyone can see what people are doing on that new thing, especially as they increase the marketing focus on games.
SteveMeister
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Sriffat said:
What an arrogant thing to say. There are plenty of "savvy" consumers who are planning to buy an iPad. Just because it may not fit YOUR needs doesn't mean that it shouldn't fit ANYONE's.
Fallout-NL
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Im looking for excuses to buy this cause its just so damn sexy, but ive got an iphone, a macbook and a pretty fast desktop... I dont think this was designed for me.
No multitasking and no flash are kind of a shame. Though i cant imagine them not incorporating multi tasking if they intend for this to be an end all be all kind of device.
I do want one though, especially at 400/450 euros. Damn thats cheap for such a cool toy. But why lug it around when youve got an iphone or macbook? Maybe its a bit like a Wii and just not for me.
Anyway, who here has an iphone, macbook, pc and still plans to buy this?
No multitasking and no flash are kind of a shame. Though i cant imagine them not incorporating multi tasking if they intend for this to be an end all be all kind of device.
I do want one though, especially at 400/450 euros. Damn thats cheap for such a cool toy. But why lug it around when youve got an iphone or macbook? Maybe its a bit like a Wii and just not for me.
Anyway, who here has an iphone, macbook, pc and still plans to buy this?
Same here. I don't think mine has ever successfully sent an email. My parents love the iPhone, but the screen is too small for them to see and use well. The iPad will probably be the exact machine they need: "A magical, revolutionary device for your elderly relatives' cloudy eyes and shaky hands."Jasoco said:
(Plus, once I convince my parents to get one, I can give it a test run for myself.)
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
how hard would it honestly be to add multitasking to the UI somehow? i'll bet you the next version or whatever will have something more multitasking friendly, just so that they can make more money for that "essential upgrade"
turnbuckle
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mckmas8808 said:
Yup. I don't think people who are unimpressed with this version are being trolls (though there certainly are those). This is something I'm probably looking at getting by gen 2 or gen 3, depending on what the competition comes up with. My hope is that apple releases their Mac OS with a future model, while still having the option to switch to iPad mode. I can't be sold on this as an in-between for a laptop and a phone when my iphone is so similar to this product and my laptop does so much more, but I'm betting future revisions will see the Ipad becoming more attractive to me.
We just need to get a handwriting option for neogaf and incorporate it into the gaf app. I would hate to type on that thing, but browsing GAF with that app on the larger ipad would be awesome. I do wish it came with a stylus though. I know I can buy a third party one, but if the pad came with a stylus it'd probably have a place to attach it to the device without having to buy other accessories.
I almost was brought to impulse buying the cheapest model until I saw the 3G price. It was cheap enough and cool enough that I was willing to subject myself to the first gen buyer's remorse and accept upgrading it next year.
Steve Youngblood
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Text messages are limited to 160 characters. Furthermore, my concerns about the touchpad are only really alleviated by the fairly functional auto-correct employed. Otherwise, I don't think I would have come around to typing with a lack of tactile feedback.LiveFromKyoto said:
Nevertheless, though I've warmed to it, I can type 70 WPM on a keyboard, and that's not even terribly fast for a lot of touch typists out there. As an (admittedly anecdotal) example, I love the Facebook app for the iPhone. It's actually become my favorite method of perusing Facebook. I load it up all the time when I'm sitting right in front of a computer.
But as soon as I want or need to type something more than a few sentences, even if I'm currently relaxing on the couch, I'm getting up and marching over to my computer. It's just way too cumbersome for me to type for any real length of time on the thing when I know I could hammer it out much quicker on a real keyboard. And honestly, I don't really see that changing for a lot of people.
Mind you, I might be completely ignoring the people out there who actually rival my traditional typing speed on a smart phone interface.
The thing that I am really excited for is that the industry sees this as a new platform for gaming but do you thing there going to use it . People like Rein are impressed but will they use it?
http://www.gamercenteronline.net/2010/01/28/mark-rein-really-impressed-with-ipad/
http://www.gamercenteronline.net/2010/01/28/mark-rein-really-impressed-with-ipad/
Pristine_Condition said:
Hopefully Notion isn't intending to do it all from scratch themselves. What they need, and what I hope they were aiming for, is interest from a major manufacturer to develop the product. In the end, I don't care who makes it -- the concept is the most attractive tablet-with-limited-OS I've seen purely because of the e-ink adaptable screen.
A big problem for the ipad for me is that active-backlight screens kill my eyes like you wouldn't believe when using them purely for reading for long periods of time. That's not a problem for a lot of people, I grant, but it is for me. And ebooks are really the only thing the ipad has over the iphone to me, given their very similar OS/environment.
If the iPad2 has a Qi screen, the price will start looking more attractive to me.
Kung Fu Jedi
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SteveMeister said:
Pretty much what I've been saying too. I get that not everyone is interested in the iPad, but there are a lot of people in here who can't seem to understand that it still has a lot of appeal for the right users.
LiveFromKyoto
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Steve Youngblood said:
Size will be a factor here. The touch keyboard on the iPad is larger than the entire face of the iPhone, that should facilitate ease of use.
I dunno though, I can't really argue too much one way or the other with actually trying the thing in person.
LiveFromKyoto
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'd argue that pretty much only computer savvy people are interested in it at this point. Most people won't get why you'd invest $800 in something designed to show you $8 books and has no keyboard.
Kung Fu Jedi
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LiveFromKyoto said:
It would be cool if you could dynamically scale the keyboard somewhat. I have bigger hands, so the full screen keyboard would be necessary, but for those with smaller hands, perhaps scaling it differently would make it easier to type on.
LiveFromKyoto said:
Like I said, for the right users. And as i mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm getting more buzz about it from my none-techie, but still tech savvy, friends than the more hardcore tech users.
SuperPac
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Fallout-NL said:
Me. Would be perfect for traveling, work, and just reading at home. I don't necessarily want to be tied to my desktop for just reading the web and a laptop's got a keyboard not to mention middling battery life and a tendency to heat up quickly. I don't need a laptop if I'm just browsing/reading.
But I'm going to wait 90 days for the 3G version and to see how the reviews pan out.
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