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sarcastor said:
i want to start making mockups for games that my friends and i will work on (hopefully)
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Actually, that's a pretty good idea. You need to know what you're dealing with. That mock up is probably made from those images you posted.
 
Since we all love gifs;

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I gotta say, the annoyance of the wide bezel went out of my head pretty quick. Would have been nice for it to be touch sensitive as rumored but the size is still warranted for practical usage imo.

BTW, does anyone else think using the keyboard without having the keys actually magnify (ala iPhone) might feel weird? I noticed that the keys change hue but is that enough?
 
Sentry said:
Since we all love gifs;


I gotta say, the annoyance of the wide bezel went out of my head pretty quick. Would have been nice for it to be touch sensitive as rumored but the size is still warranted for practical usage imo.

BTW, does anyone else think using the keyboard without having the keys actually magnify (ala iPhone) might feel weird? I noticed that the keys change hue but is that enough?
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I thought it might be weird. But they have two months to iron out those small things. It'll be one of those things that people will report on once it comes out "The letter magnification that was absent in the announcement model is present in the release model."
 
Does anybody else think that it would be cool if Apple called this the "MacOne" instead?

SnakeXs said:
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/02/textbook-publishers-strike-deals-to-bring-content-to-ipad/

Expected, but it'll be interesting to see how this pans out.
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Not until anti-glare screens come about. No one wants to type while having ceiling lights cover the screen.

EDIT - I looked up the amount of posts I had in this thread to be shocked only to be even more shocked by someone else. Damn Mkgoo! :lol
 
keyboard will probably be ok, the larger size compared to iphone should mean that changing colour should be enough feedback
 
Terrell said:
Hey, worked for me, I'm going out to buy the cheapest mini I can find as a home-base computer and will sell my MacBook to get an iPad, because using this much hardware for web, email, vids and budgeting is just a waste. iPad fills the gap for people that KNOW a notebook is more computer horsepower than their lifestyle actually requires.
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potentially you'll have a more productive and enjoyable setup

i find with my macbook pro, even though its very capable, i avoid heavy tasks on it. Now i have a mini it can sit under the tv and do all that without burning my legs or killing the battery. So dvd ripping and encoding, torrent/newsgroup clients etc

then the ipad should be perfect for browsing and with better battery life. And use it to screen share to control the mini

and as a bonus, you have a great htpc!

I'll probably keep my mbp for a while, but i'll try and see how i manage without
 
I can't search the thread. Has there been any mention of bluetooth mouse support?

Because if so, then iPad + (either the keyboard dock or a bluetooth keyboard) + bluetooth mouse = $500* dockable computer.

It could be bigger than a netbook competitor.

* Well, okay, $500 + $70 + $70
 
cjdunn said:
I can't search the thread. Has there been any mention of bluetooth mouse support?

Because if so, then iPad + (either the keyboard dock or a bluetooth keyboard) + bluetooth mouse = $500 dockable computer.

It could be bigger than a netbook competitor.
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I don't think you'll be seeing Bluetooth mouse support, I mean it's not like there is even a cursor to control with one in the first place.
 
cjdunn said:
I can't search the thread. Has there been any mention of bluetooth mouse support?

Because if so, then iPad + (either the keyboard dock or a bluetooth keyboard) + bluetooth mouse = $500* dockable computer.

It could be bigger than a netbook competitor.

* Well, okay, $500 + $70 + $70
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Why would you want a mouse on a touchscreen slate anyway?
 
Knew that was coming... it's a fair point, but I think when in docked keyboard "mode" (or mindset) that mousing would make for a bit better workflow than constantly reaching up from the keyboard.
 
cjdunn said:
Knew that was coming... it's a fair point, but I think when in docked keyboard "mode" (or mindset) that mousing would make for a bit better workflow than constantly reaching up from the keyboard.
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The keyboard is for extensive writing, not to make it a desktop computer.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Why would you want a mouse on a touchscreen slate anyway?
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Oh, you must have fallen asleep during the iPad unveiling. You should go watch the whole thing, it'll make more sense afterwards.
snakex said:
The keyboard is for extensive writing, not to make it a desktop computer.
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I can't figure out if you also fell asleep or if you've never had to use a spreadsheet. But if it's the former, Jobs showed off iWork during the presentation. If it's the latter, I question if you actually know what extensive writing is, because having a mouse is pretty handy for it, too.
 
Zachack said:
Oh, you must have fallen asleep during the iPad unveiling. You should go watch the whole thing, it'll make more sense afterwards.

I can't figure out if you also fell asleep or if you've never had to use a spreadsheet. But if it's the former, Jobs showed off iWork during the presentation. If it's the latter, I question if you actually know what extensive writing is, because having a mouse is pretty handy for it, too.
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Did you fall asleep during the presentation? They redesigned everything for touch navigation. They're going to now put in a mouse cursor for you to click 1-inch square sized hotspots?
 
Zachack said:
Oh, you must have fallen asleep during the iPad unveiling. You should go watch the whole thing, it'll make more sense afterwards.

I can't figure out if you also fell asleep or if you've never had to use a spreadsheet. But if it's the former, Jobs showed off iWork during the presentation. If it's the latter, I question if you actually know what extensive writing is, because having a mouse is pretty handy for it, too.
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So the thing with the iPad is... it's not expensive at all if you're looking for an e-reader with a screen that size, but if you've already got an iPhone and don't care for e-books, it's not really a big deal?
 
Mr. Durden said:
So the thing with the iPad is... it's not expensive at all if you're looking for an e-reader with a screen that size, but if you've already got an iPhone and don't care for e-books, it's not really a big deal?
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Well, it might be MORE appealing if you don't already have an iPhone or iPod Touch, but neither makes this thing unnecessary. But even owning those, it could be seen as a nice bridge between your ultra-portable iPhone, and your more cumbersome laptop. If you like relaxing in your recliner or laying in bed using your iPhone, then the iPad might just be the device for you.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Well, it might be MORE appealing if you don't already have an iPhone or iPod Touch, but neither makes this thing unnecessary. But even owning those, it could be seen as a nice bridge between your ultra-portable iPhone, and your more cumbersome laptop. If you like relaxing in your recliner or laying in bed using your iPhone, then the iPad might just be the device for you.
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Yeah it really is a sexy device, and I find it more appealing than a netbook tbh. It's just that my iPhone already does the same thing, but just on a smaller screen. Still, it's hot.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Well, it might be MORE appealing if you don't already have an iPhone or iPod Touch, but neither makes this thing unnecessary. But even owning those, it could be seen as a nice bridge between your ultra-portable iPhone, and your more cumbersome laptop. If you like relaxing in your recliner or laying in bed using your iPhone, then the iPad might just be the device for you.
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I'm one of about 5 people in this world that doesn't have either an iPhone (I <3 my Nexus One) or an iPod Touch (I <3 my Zune).....so I'm actually considering getting the $499 one. I figure if I get it and don't like it, I can always ebay it or throw it on Craigslist.
 
I still think owning an iPhone or iPod Touch is in the end going to drive many people towards the device. Many people are tied to apps that they've purchased from the App Store, and many might have a favorite or niche app/game that they use a lot. The developer will put forward an "enhanced" version at probably no added cost if they own an iPad, and so people are driven to the iPad to get the "most" of what they paid for for their app.
 
D4Danger said:
Not that I can find. It looks like it's based (or is) an ARM Cortex A9 CPU and ARM Mali GPU
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I've heard people say stuff like this, usually iPad skeptics, but in my research, I find little information out there to convince me that Apple switched to the ARM Mali core, nor can i think of why they possible would. What would be the benefit for Apple?

Apple already has a good thing going with Imagination Technologies' PowerVR core in the iPhone. Apple likes them enough to have picked up a stake in the company around 10% too. And Imagination is being very aggressive with new introductions.

This whole story, as far as I can tell, is based on a single article on Bright Side News by Daniela Kustre. Every other article posted beyond that seems to either link to it or reference it.

Personally, I'm not sure if it is credible. Perhaps if the author had retrained herself and refrained from comparing Steve Jobs to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbles in the article, she'd sound a tad more unbiased.

But alas, she couldn't...and why should she? BSN has been printing hit-whoring and/or highly-speculative stuff like this about Apple for a long time--take a casual look on BSN and find out how many "___-Gate" type stories they've tried to start on Apple products over the past year.

I'm not saying all the info is bad, because no one knows what's inside the A4 heatshield outside NDA Land, but all the contents of the article are supposedly still all sourced from unnamed "industry insiders," and we all know how that goes in terms of accuracy when it comes to Apple. PA Semi was very much in the same vein as Apple in terms of secrecy before they were folded into Apple's chip team as well.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Personally, I'm not sure if it is credible. Perhaps if the author had retrained herself and refrained from comparing Steve Jobs to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbles in the article, she'd sound a tad more unbiased.
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I'm not saying all the info is bad, because no one knows what's inside the A4 heatshield outside NDA Land, but all the contents of the article are supposedly still all sourced from unnamed "industry insiders," and we all know how that goes in terms of accuracy when it comes to Apple. PA Semi was very much in the same vein as Apple in terms of secrecy before they were folded into Apple's chip team as well.
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oh, the info is bad. when you have no clue about certain factual information but go ahead and announce a precise value to it through god knows what conjectures, you fabricate information. if that's not bad info i don't know what is. if the author had any solid idea what the tech in the A4 was she'd not go ahead and say:

Update #1, January 28, 2010 22:22 GMT/UTC - Following the request for comments, we were incline to update the story. First of all, we do not have concrete information about the number of cores inside the Apple A4 "CPU that it isn't" i.e. A4 SOC. /so they don't know the first thing about the SoC an 'insider' would tell you/ We were told that the ARM licensed its CPU and GPU technology to Apple./who'd have thought that apple had an ARM architecture license?! it's only been widely hinted at for years now/ That's it. Out of that technology, Cortex-A9 is intended for manufacturing in advanced manufacturing process such as 45nm /and so is samsung's A8-based SoC. apple have been using samsung's SoC for the idevices till now - does that mean the ipad runs on a samsung A8 SoC?/, 40nm, 28nm and so on, while Cortex-A8 doesn't have advanced video processing capabilities that Cortex-A9 has./huh? i wonder what advanced 'video processing capabilities' can a _CPU_ have, beyond the rudimentary SIMD/ As the time progresses, we'll know more about what LEGO brick components did Apple use to create the A4/sure, given how you've proven that beyond any doubt/. One thing is certain - it uses ARM IP throughout the silicon. Don't shoot the messenger./how about some target practice?/
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bolded are my comments.
 
Buckethead said:
Wide bezel? Did you cats complain when the old iMacs came out, because those were actually gross looking.
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I never like the old iMacs. I love the new aluminium ones - the black bezel with glass is such a great illusion to make it seem like the screen goes all the way to the edge.
 
A tablet has to have a good bit of bezel. You don't want to be touching the screen with the hand that's holding it.
 
Going to dredge up the shitty Flash debate again with good news for everyone:

"MPEG LA announced today that its AVC Patent Portfolio License will continue not to charge royalties for Internet Video that is free to end users (known as Internet Broadcast AVC Video) during the next License term from January 1, 2011 to December 31, 2016."

h.264 video is free to use until 2017, just as it has been.
 
I would just prefer an air with multitouch screen.

You can't really sit in your lap and you have to hold it up with one hand. Looks cool but not very practical.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
h.264 video is free to use until 2017, just as it has been.
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Wait what. I'm understanding something wrong then... Are Opera and Firefox only whining because they fear that if h.264 picks up that come 2017 they MAY have to pay, and that's enough to get them to take a stance against it? It's free for them to include in their browsers for the next 7 years? wut
 
SnakeXs said:
Wait what. I'm understanding something wrong then... Are Opera and Firefox only whining because they fear that if h.264 picks up that come 2017 they MAY have to pay, and that's enough to get them to take a stance against it? It's free for them to include in their browsers for the next 7 years? wut
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http://www.mpegla.com/Lists/MPEG LA News List/Attachments/226/n-10-02-02.pdf

MPEG LA announced today that its AVC Patent Portfolio License will continue not to charge royalties for Internet Video that is free to end users (known as Internet Broadcast AVC Video) during the next License term from January 1, 2011 to December 31, 2016. Products and services other than Internet Broadcast AVC Video continue to be royalty-bearing, and royalties to apply during the next term will be announced before the end of 2010.
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The only thing that's royalty-free until 2017 is free AVC encoded video on websites.
 
SnakeXs said:
Wait what. I'm understanding something wrong then... Are Opera and Firefox only whining because they fear that if h.264 picks up that come 2017 they MAY have to pay, and that's enough to get them to take a stance against it? It's free for them to include in their browsers for the next 7 years? wut
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Free for (free) content providers, the browser maker still has to pay a liscense fee.

This is great, but firefox is probably still not going to support .mp4, who the hell knows what MS is going to do with the next IE. Not to mention all of the users stuck on past versions of IE.

The flash player, love it or hate it has been playing back .mp4 for years, except on mobile safari :p
 
Dizzan said:
I would just prefer an air with multitouch screen.

You can't really sit in your lap and you have to hold it up with one hand. Looks cool but not very practical.
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The iPad is basically an Air Nano. BTW anyone else notice Jony Ive's last line in the iPad demo vid?; "In many ways this defines our vision, our sense of what's next"

That caught my attention and I really agree, the future of Apple and their lineup is probably going to revolve all around touch and a single glass screen (simplicity to the max).

Can't say I mind though. :D
 
SnakeXs said:
Wait what. I'm understanding something wrong then... Are Opera and Firefox only whining because they fear that if h.264 picks up that come 2017 they MAY have to pay, and that's enough to get them to take a stance against it? It's free for them to include in their browsers for the next 7 years? wut
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I don't know the specifics, but if you were a business the possibility that in 7 years, after helping entrench a new technology, you'd suddenly have to pay out the ass for continuing to use it would scare the shit out of you.

This is exactly the sort of thing that keeps companies like Mozilla away from things with active patent holders and time-limited licenses. Especially since Adobe has already essentially volunteered to take the hit on it with Flash.

The only formats that ever made sense for inclusion into HTML were the open ones. That they aren't mandated makes the whole thing pretty worthless and just a continuation of the old games in browser development from way back.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Going to dredge up the shitty Flash debate again with good news for everyone:

"MPEG LA announced today that its AVC Patent Portfolio License will continue not to charge royalties for Internet Video that is free to end users (known as Internet Broadcast AVC Video) during the next License term from January 1, 2011 to December 31, 2016."

h.264 video is free to use until 2017, just as it has been.
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And how is that related to the flash arguments?
 
numble said:
I still think owning an iPhone or iPod Touch is in the end going to drive many people towards the device. Many people are tied to apps that they've purchased from the App Store, and many might have a favorite or niche app/game that they use a lot. The developer will put forward an "enhanced" version at probably no added cost if they own an iPad, and so people are driven to the iPad to get the "most" of what they paid for for their app.
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I don't feel particularly tied to apps I've typically paid no more than $.99 - $2.99 for.
 
Raistlin said:
And how is that related to the flash arguments?
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It's a bit complicated...

People have argued that HTML5 with embedded AVC/h.264 is a superior approach to flash-based video delivery because Flash is proprietary, and that video sites will inevitably switch over to this format, making the lack of Flash moot.

However, some other major players - notably Mozilla - have balked at supporting the HTML5-based solution because the video codecs are subject to patents, and the patent holders could start charging them for including the code needed to decode the formats.

The announcement that the formats will be free for the next 6 years might convince Mozilla and other holdouts to support them. Support from the major browsers is critical to getting website operators to dump Flash video or at least support a Flash alternative.
 
kaching said:
I don't feel particularly tied to apps I've typically paid no more than $.99 - $2.99 for.
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Eh, all anyone can say is anecdotal at this point, but I was talking to some coworkers about the iPad today(they know I'm an Apple fan) and the first thing they asked me is if their apps would work. /shrugs
 
kaching said:
I don't feel particularly tied to apps I've typically paid no more than $.99 - $2.99 for.
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I've spent close to $300 in apps, mostly 99c :/ So I feel kinda tied. But not really, as I don't think I'd want to use most of them in crazy windowed or embiggened form without an update.
 
Tobor said:
Eh, all anyone can say is anecdotal at this point, but I was talking to some coworkers about the iPad today(they know I'm an Apple fan) and the first thing they asked me is if their apps would work. /shrugs
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They're just being polite ;)

mrkgoo said:
I've spent close to $300 in apps, mostly 99c :/ So I feel kinda tied. But not really, as I don't think I'd want to use most of them in crazy windowed or embiggened form without an update.
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If you feel like you get regular use out of most of those apps, then that's obviously a different case and you may have a valid investment that warrants the migration to iPad. But I don't think most people view spending in such small increments that way, aka as part of a larger investment vs. just as disposable individual purchases. It's like buying a coffee or a candy bar.

But I think this is where some basic multitasking could have locked more people in with the iPad. As you say, it's not particularly enticing to think about using iPhone apps on a larger, more powerful device that doesn't really use those advantages to enhance the iPhone apps significantly. If you could at least run a couple of the iPhone native apps at the same time, as widgets essentially, while the rest of the screen could be dedicated to a third panel for a native iPad app, that could actually increase the perceived value of the apps by increasing the amount of onscreen use they get.
 
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