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Are young Men really choosing games over relationships ?

Young gamers, where do you stand?

  • I'm a young gamer with a perfectly healthy dating life.

    Votes: 75 28.1%
  • Screw dating, I'm all about videogaming, Mountain Dew, and Doritos!

    Votes: 143 53.6%
  • I don't even really game bro; I'm a Giga-Chad!

    Votes: 49 18.4%

  • Total voters
    267
I completely agree with this post. I got some of my own help years ago. Most of my insecurities were a result of being picked on in elementary school and having parents with super high expectations. I was a perfectionist who had huge social insecurities. I still have the insecurities, but I am able to manage them and people are shocked when I tell them how I really feel in social situations. I am able to appear very different than I feel while still being myself.
Perhaps there is some stigma attached for men seeking help/counseling, and at the same time- society thinking that its 'weak' for a man to seek help/counseling. I think if you seek counseling/help (if you feel and think you need it) you are taking personal responsibility for your own well being. I personally tell people that you are responsible for your own happiness, and in no way shape or form can your partner fill the void within you. Make yourself whole. When you seek a partner you want him/her not *NEED* him/her.

I genuinely care about a men's well being and emotions.
 
Have enough assholes been kicked off Era and crept back here that we are now seeing this kind of nonsense post.

Tonal shift on this forum is concerning, assholes that tried to kill the site are creeping back in ...... the monster they created in Era turned on them.
meh, at least the discussion can occur in the first place and not be summarily erased for the flimsiest of justifications. tough topic too, real personal. there's something to be said for at least having the opportunity to voice ones opinion openly, whatever that opinion may be. oh, and every time i see the word tonal, i think of the word nagual. heh.
 
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Perhaps there is some stigma attached for men seeking help/counseling, and at the same time- society thinking that its 'weak' for a man to seek help/counseling. I think if you seek counseling/help (if you feel and think you need it) you are taking personal responsibility for your own well being. I personally tell people that you are responsible for your own happiness, and in no way shape or form can your partner fill the void within you. Make yourself whole. When you seek a partner you want him/her not *NEED* him/her.

I genuinely care about a men's well being and emotions.

I think you're totally right. I also think that there is a general push to just take a pill for things out of ease as well as the stigma of treatment through therapy, whether physical or psychological. Personally, even outside of mental help, I think having a mentor of some sort is very valuable for everyone, especially men.
 
up to a point where even if they finally do decide to meet all they do is still stare and at the damn phone, mindlessly scrolling it over and over, you get like a "group" of 12 people but in reality it's 12 individuals minding their own business like there's no one else around them, it's a very sad view that's becoming more and more common.

I watched this happen in real-time. We had a group at work that would go out to lunch most days together. 1st person got an iPhone, all he did was look at it then. But it didn't matter as he was the quiet one anyway. Then the next person got an iphone, same thing until everyone (Except me) was just staring at their phones all lunch. I didn't get a smartphone myself until years later. But they really do fuck your concentration span.
 
When you think of how many "Support Groups and Organizations" that are out there specifically devoted for Women, it's an insane amount.

How many support groups are out there and available for Men?

...

And that's another reason why Gaming is being turned to I will bet. I won't blame women. But show me where the support is for Men's deteriorating mental states over the past decades, which have clearly been documented?

It seems when anyone talks about even subtly supporting Men, they are castigated as sexist by default.

As for myself, well, having never been in a relationship, I see no desire to do so. It all just seems like a big headache at this point, mostly because I just don't see anyway I can possible relate to any woman out there, or even men. The people of my age group are mostly either in their relationships already or are looking for different things. And anyone that's younger is playing with fire it seems.
 
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The whole "Oh no you will die alone" argument is completely dumb and disingenuous.
It's not the dying part that is the issue...

When people get unhealthy the last ten years of their life is the issue.. Dying is expensive, if you don't have big money or a family looking out; you will sit in your own shit for ten years waiting to die.

No, not really. I've thought a lot about this. You hear it often, in discussions about being single. Usually it's presented as a kind of boogeyman -- "You're going to die alone!" I'm not worried about it. Of course, everyone is different, but here are my thoughts:
When you hit 65-70 ish go find a young Filipina wife to take care of you... There is a mutual benefit in it.
 
Oh right, if men don't play the game then they don't think women are people. Such nonsense.
What game? Maybe don't come at having relationships as some sort of game you win or lose. If that's your logic, no I don't think you have a good view of women.

Either way, lots of posts paint women as these things you can't understand. They they only like this and you have to be this. If that's your perspective no wonder you where you are. Why would anyone worthwhile want to be with someone who's looking at them as some formula to solve?
 
What game? Maybe don't come at having relationships as some sort of game you win or lose. If that's your logic, no I don't think you have a good view of women.
It's an expression, some people call it a dance too.

You should check out r/feminism to see how nasty they are towards men.
 
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It took me also longer to realize that there are more important things in life. Now that I have a wife and children I don't regret my decision although I only have very limited time to enjoy games. That being said everyone should do what he thinks will give him the most out of life.
 
It took me also longer to realize that there are more important things in life. Now that I have a wife and children I don't regret my decision although I only have very limited time to enjoy games. That being said everyone should do what he thinks will give him the most out of life.
Well, that's ok for women but when men try that, they are called derogatory names.
 
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Absolutely. It's why I'm still alone at 40.

Fuck bitches. If you need to cum, jerk off or pay for it 🤷🏻‍♂️

Easy fuckin peasy my friends and allies. And you can still day one the newest Mario.
 
I'm 25 and never have had a girlfriend, though I do want to be in a relationship. I definitely do not attribute this to the fact that I enjoy video games. My issues arise from a lack of self-esteem which constantly allows the negative voice in my head to tell me that I'm not good enough for any woman, so I shouldn't bother trying. I sometimes think about seeking counseling/therapy, but I think most guys my age and younger have these feelings as well. Hopefully it's something I'm able to overcome.
You should know that guys have it the hardest before their 30s, while women have it the hardest after their 30s.
 
I'm 25 and never have had a girlfriend, though I do want to be in a relationship. I definitely do not attribute this to the fact that I enjoy video games. My issues arise from a lack of self-esteem which constantly allows the negative voice in my head to tell me that I'm not good enough for any woman, so I shouldn't bother trying. I sometimes think about seeking counseling/therapy, but I think most guys my age and younger have these feelings as well. Hopefully it's something I'm able to overcome.
Theres no shame in seeking counseling.
 
Not out of choice.

I just find it really hard to meet someone. Especially with the current climate and all the lockdowns. It is even harder.

If I had a girlfriend, I would play games a lot less.
 
If I had a girlfriend, I would play games a lot less.
Something that should be noted, relationships need time and attention. If you are in a situation in life where it's hard to commit to it, you shouldn't do it. You shouldn't wait too long either, but when you are in your early 20s and want to archive certain career goals first, become independent, and/or build a solid financial fundament, then you should do that first in my opinion.
 
Well, that's ok for women but when men try that, they are called derogatory names.

I agree and why is playing video games considered an activity that is non-productive if heterosexual men do it? Once more women, LGBTQ members participate, its now a new wave and movement!!??

Also choosing video games over relationships is not really a good causation or even a good correlation. Video games are not people that people court with ?! A person doesn't form a relationship with a video game. And why demonize video games? Why not sports? Watching movies? jobs? or any form of entertainment?
 
Also choosing video games over relationships is not really a good causation or even a good correlation.

When I was young and didn't have a girlfriend, I played more videogames. When I got a girlfriend, I had something better to do so I played less videogames. They definitely were not a relationship replacement or lifestyle choice.
 
When I was young and didn't have a girlfriend, I played more videogames. When I got a girlfriend, I had something better to do so I played less videogames. They definitely were not a relationship replacement or lifestyle choice.

Yah, what did young men do before video games /computers were even created? You could even replace played more 'video games' with 'sports', 'gardening', 'studying'. There is some sort of negative stigma attached to video games, as if playing video games is non productive worthless activity that makes heterosexual men inept in socializing and courting a mate?!
 
Yah, what did young men do before video games /computers were even created? You could even replace played more 'video games' with 'sports', 'gardening', 'studying'. There is some sort of negative stigma attached to video games, as if playing video games is non productive worthless activity that makes heterosexual men inept in socializing and courting a mate?!
Men worked long hours and hung out with male friends but women didn't like that....
 
Something that should be noted, relationships need time and attention. If you are in a situation in life where it's hard to commit to it, you shouldn't do it. You shouldn't wait too long either, but when you are in your early 20s and want to archive certain career goals first, become independent, and/or build a solid financial fundament, then you should do that first in my opinion.
You've got to love yourself before someone else can.

That is what I've been trying to do. Working out more, changing habits, becoming healthier/confident overall. It'll happen eventually.
 
Yah, what did young men do before video games /computers were even created? You could even replace played more 'video games' with 'sports', 'gardening', 'studying'. There is some sort of negative stigma attached to video games, as if playing video games is non productive worthless activity that makes heterosexual men inept in socializing and courting a mate?!
It's definitely not less productive than other forms of entertainment, but I would argue it being less productive than studying and gardening. The latter has an effect on life, it can help you attain more knowledge or make your garden pretty. Depending on the game you play, gaming can be a really time-consuming hobby, so I do kinda understand where this point of view is coming from although I don't agree as games can have cultural and artistic value. I think most people in the western world use forms of entertainment in some way, shape, or form. It shouldn't be looked down upon. Some people enjoy watching movies, some read thrillers, some play videogames and that's all cool. I think in the end it's a question of self-discipline and what responsibilities you have in life. With a wife and children, you play less by default, as you got people you need to take care of, for example.
 
It's definitely not less productive than other forms of entertainment, but I would argue it being less productive than studying and gardening. The latter has an effect on life, it can help you attain more knowledge or make your garden pretty. Depending on the game you play, gaming can be a really time-consuming hobby, so I do kinda understand where this point of view is coming from although I don't agree as games can have cultural and artistic value. I think most people in the western world use forms of entertainment in some way, shape, or form. It shouldn't be looked down upon. Some people enjoy watching movies, some read thrillers, some play videogames and that's all cool. I think in the end it's a question of self-discipline and what responsibilities you have in life. With a wife and children, you play less by default, as you got people you need to take care of, for example.
I agree, I think video games are a hybrid of interactive movie and story telling. Great art and sound tracks. Video games enlighten you the same way movies and books do.

With wife and children you play less, but that doesn't mean you cant enjoy it from time to time or even have your family participate with you even. I think what you stated is common sense.

Its just that I disagree that men choose video games over relationships because video games fill the void for men and prevents them for seeking and engaging in relationships. I think its more nuanced with psychological, social, economical, anthropological components, and im tired of heterosexual men being demonized and responsible for heterosexual womens unhappiness when the entire courtship game and being in a relationship is rigged against them and nothing is satisfactory.
 
Its just that I disagree that men choose video games over relationships because video games fill the void for men and prevents them for seeking and engaging in relationships.
Yeah, I agree. It's weird to point the fingers at video games in a world full of similar time-demanding forms of amusement. You could make the same argument about watching too many youtube videos or reading too many comics. Obviously, people should try their best at having a balanced life. The dose makes the poison after all, but I don't think that any form of entertainment has a big influence on your dating life. There are many much more nuanced reasons why to not pursue a relationship. Lack of social intelligence, lack of self-esteem, finances. There are also people that are social and still don't pursue a relationship for different reasons. I know people that are dedicated to archiving certain goals before they are even capable to give time and attention to a partner. It's about your stance in life and your outlook on things in the end.
 
Meh. I play games every day and my house is a whorehouse. I'm 33 no plans on getting married or having kids. I'm not giving up my financial independence and freedom. I can do anything I want right now at the prime of my life. Times have changed - I'm not the only one my age who chooses to live like this.
 
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I'm approaching middle age and I don't game a lot but I like having the option to whenever I like. I like doing whatever I want whenever I like so I've never really settled down. In 20 years the advances in sex robots and vr will be at the level I won't even have to talk to women any more.
 
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Met my now wife in college. Just had our 12th anniversary. She grew up playing casual computer games like Sim Ant and Nancy Drew games. When we first started dating, games absolutely were not an interest. But over time they found their way back into my life. I play when she goes to bed. She likes watching me play some games, but if it doesn't interest her, she'll just go do something else.

I think if you're replacing regular, social interactions with video games, then you have a problem that might need to be addressed. But there's no reason why one has to be exclusive from the other. Girls are the shit. More fun than games for sure.
 
Gaming is something I'd spend 3 months of my life every year on. I'd have to be a billion air to spend 3 months of my time dating. So of course gaming wins.

But yes I do spend more time nowadays playing then with my gf. And tbh I should try and find a better balance but WZ is too addicting.
 
Meh. I play games every day and my house is a whorehouse. I'm 33 no plans on getting married or having kids. I'm not giving up my financial independence and freedom. I can do anything I want right now at the prime of my life. Times have changed - I'm not the only one my age who chooses to live like this.
Nothing wrong with that, its just that these shitty articles come out demonizing your own personal choices and pursuit of happiness as a man, -mostly from disgruntled and frustrated women with feminist views that demonize heterosexual men.
 
I'm approaching middle age and I don't game a lot but I like having the option to whenever I like. I like doing whatever I want whenever I like so I've never really settled down. In 20 years the advances in sex robots and vr will be at the level I won't even have to talk to women any more.
The ball is firmly back in men's courts when this happens! They'll be taking those house cleaner courses again in no time!
 
She's Chinese and I think it's cultural (one thing I notice in my months spent in China, at least the regions I was in I never saw a single video game of any kind.. no game boys, no consoles.. nothing.

You'd find them in the electronics markets, toy stores or pirate DVD shops back in the day. Now you'll find them in the bigger high street electrical retailers now that China lifted the console ban. But even then people preferred to play online PC games in the net cafes because of the low cost. Now it's mostly mobile gaming.

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Its just that I disagree that men choose video games over relationships because video games fill the void for men and prevents them for seeking and engaging in relationships. I think its more nuanced with psychological, social, economical, anthropological components, and I'm tired of heterosexual men being demonized and responsible for heterosexual women's unhappiness when the entire courtship game and being in a relationship is rigged against them and nothing is satisfactory.
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Either way, lots of posts paint women as these things you can't understand.
And this is surprising to you because...?
It's pretty well documented that, as a general rule, men don't really understand women and women don't really understand men. Go look at any female dominated topic on the discussion and you'll see the same shit, just in reverse. We're wired differently and it causes arguments. There's a reason that every man has a moment where he wishes he was gay, we know what's going on in another man's head...we don't with women.
 
I cannot blame young men for choosing games in this modern era.

There's a lot of advice on attracting women out there. And what most of it misses is that attraction, seduction, intimacy, sex, whatever you want to call it — is an emotional process, not a physical or social one. You can say the "wrong" things and still attract a woman. You can say all of the "right" things and repel her. What matters is the intention, the motivation, the authenticity. To improve your dating life, you must improve your emotional life — how you feel about yourself and others, how you express yourself to others, etc.

It's not about learning lines or routines or dressing up a certain way. It's about unmasking the unique and attractive man within yourself and joyfully expressing it to the women of the world.

That may sound vague, but it has very real repercussions on your interactions with women.

People choose who they're going to be with based on how they feel around that person. For us men, it's often quite simple. A beautiful woman makes us feel aroused, so we pursue sex with her. If we feel cared for, respected and admired by her, we pursue a relationship with her.

But women experience sexuality differently than we do, so it can be a bit more complicated and hard for us to decipher what makes them feel attracted to us. But the principle remains the same. Women go with men who make them feel a certain way. There are a number of ways to elicit emotion in a woman, and the way in which you go about eliciting that emotion will determine the quality and quantity (or lack thereof) of the relationships you have with women.

What's I'm saying is this: you'll find a lot of varying advice out there on how to attract women — some will say to tease them, some will say to be selfish and rude around them, some will say to buy them gifts, others will say to be cold and calculating — whichever of these avenues you choose to pursue with women, that is the corresponding relationship you'll create.

The way which you pursue women will determine which ones you end up with.
If you choose to be cold, calculating and manipulative with women, you will naturally screen for women who will create a cold, calculating and manipulative relationship with you. If you pursue women with a neediness and an idealization of them, then you will attract equally naive and insecure women who will create a relationship of neediness and false idolization. If you pursue women in a rude and harsh manner, you will attract women who respond to harsh emotions and elicit harsh emotions themselves.

I encourage men to pursue women with honesty and authenticity because this screens for women who are honest, authentic and conscientious themselves, making for far better relationships.

The other reason I encourage men to pursue women with authenticity is that communicating your sexuality with women openly forces you to become a confident and integrated man. In the short-term, this can be more painful and difficult. But in the long run, this reduces emotional neediness and molds you into a bold and confident man who draws women to him like a magnet.


Sexual attraction from women is determined by status, status is determined by behavior, and what determines whether a man has attractive behavior or not is his perception of himself relative to those around him, particularly women. I refer to this concept as neediness and believe the degree of a man's neediness around women will determine how attractive or unattractive his behavior around them will be.

For instance, a needy man may come up with really clever jokes and have a great job, but he will use them to impress her and get validation from her — needy behaviors — and will therefore be perceived to be unattractive. Whereas a non-needy man may talk about silly conversation topics, openly admit that he's between jobs, but get very excited and passionate about his rock climbing hobby. Believe it or not, this man will be seen as attractive because his behaviors will be genuine, authentic, and non-needy. The reason is he's basing his behavior around her on his perception of himself and not her perception of him.

The needy man, despite having a nice job and clever things to say, is a follower. He's a pawn of those around him. He will only go so far. The non-needy man, even though he may be a bit aimless and in a downturn in his life, he will end up living an enriching and unique life that suits him and makes him happier.

If a man values the perceptions of others more than his perception of himself, then he will naturally behave in an unattractive way around them. If he trusts his perception of himself more than the perceptions of those around him, then he will be perceived as a non-needy man, and therefore behave attractively. All of the outward appearances of status and resources — the fitness, the nice clothes, the cool lifestyle — these things are a result of a man who is inwardly driven, a man who invests in himself and takes care of himself.

When all is said and done, all attractive traits in a man can be traced back to his lack of neediness.
 
Seems like no matter what men do, its always 'bad' and 'not good enough' and subject to the approval women.
In my eyes, it is important not to care about women's expectations and not to search for their approval. But everything to a certain degree. Women think completely different, but have generally more in common with us guys than we often think. I guess, that many men think today, through this bachelor movement and so on, that you should stay away from women completely and that they dont bring anything to the table. And that doesn't help you either.

For a man, it is important to have your hobbies, play games, meet with your friends. All the normal things you do as a healthy single guy. No relationship should take this away from you or only give you tiny windows to go after those activities. Getting together with a partner you can rely on, share good times with and share a household can bring you a lot of happyness and joy. It is understandable that this needs some work and going from 5-7 hours of gaming a day to 8-16 hours gaming in a week, should be an acceptable sacrifice. Obiously with kids, this will become much more complicated. But in general, a normal relationship needs balances between the individual and collective needs.

When I moved in together with my gf, now wife, it was a hard clash for her. She was insanely upset and didnt understood how I could spend hours on end gaming at certain times. Took some time for her to get used to that and to understand me. In my further experience, you should stand up for your needs and hobbies. Every sane women will accept these, as long as you dont neglect her, yourself or the household.

Relationships are not a walk in the park. And if you just want to lay some pipe, the work and problems are not worth it.
 
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Guys, guys, why are you all arguing with each other? Can't you see that is what women want? To be at each others throats. We should be building each other up, not tearing each other down.

Games is what unites us. Nobody can take that away from us, not even Tiffany with her eu de toilet and feminine ways. Stop the fighting for the love of God of war.
This is true, we should be making love to each other

Oh wait!
 
What's I'm saying is this: you'll find a lot of varying advice out there on how to attract women — some will say to tease them, some will say to be selfish and rude around them, some will say to buy them gifts, others will say to be cold and calculating — whichever of these avenues you choose to pursue with women, that is the corresponding relationship you'll create.

A lot of advice out there for men assumes getting a woman as some kind of RPG fetch quest where you complete all the conditions and are rewarded with a girlfriend. Then guys get pissed off when they did "Everything right" as she still does not want to date him.
 
A lot of advice out there for men assumes getting a woman as some kind of RPG fetch quest where you complete all the conditions and are rewarded with a girlfriend. Then guys get pissed off when they did "Everything right" as she still does not want to date him.

It's a bug, they're just waiting for a patch.
 
You can say the "wrong" things and still attract a woman. You can say all of the "right" things and repel her.
The problem is that we've been thaught and imprinted since childhood about what women want to hear. What noone tells you however that it's nothing but a pile of dog shit. Not even women want to hear what they think they want to hear. You are just reaffirming their views like a servant and gets you nowhere in the end.

That's the main reason why white knights, male feminists and alike outside of social media always end up getting rejected over someone being frank and genuine. They're merely a part of a dopamine hit and doesn't give them the tingles.

My experience tells me to not listen to what she says but rather observe what she does.
 
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