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ARROW Season 3 |OT| Welcome to the New Age

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Wow I do remember seeing her standing in the crowd and she definitely stood out, to the point were the way the camera was moving I thought it was going to pan to her up close.
 
Anony said:
every week arrow airs, i'm gonna post complaining about laurel
i fucking hate her character
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she actually wasn't even bad this episode imo.

the only problem I had with her is the same problem I have with every character. No one calling Ollie out on his hypocrisy. If she would have said "Yeah, and why should I listen to you when you were killing people two years ago? What makes you so much better?" it would have elevated her to being my favorite character on the show and redeemed her for everything.

Missed opportunity to tell him to fuck off.
 
So far, this season has been pretty mediocre. Some great moments here and there, but it lacks the momentum that last season had. Let's hope things kick into gear soon.

On the other hand, Flash has been rock solid and tons of fun from the start.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
So far, this season has been pretty mediocre. Some great moments here and there, but it lacks the momentum that last season had. Let's hope things kick into gear soon.

On the other hand, Flash has been rock solid and tons of fun from the start.
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To be fair until the big reveal last season was pretty slow.
 
What an awful ending :lol

Guess the writers couldn't have Laurel looking too good for long -- she throws the guy out of her car, then immediately crashes it. Also, the showrunners probably shouldn't have said they were going to address Roy killing the cop, it right away spoiled how they were going to resolve this plot thread. Solid episode otherwise.

Seesaw15 said:
To be fair until the big reveal last season was pretty slow.
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I don't really get the complaints about this season's pacing or direction, it's not really any different from last year imo.
 
Another shitty episode. Oliver is insufferable and the China subplot is unbelievably dull. What are they doing this year? Pick up the pace ffs.

ReiGun said:
In the inevitable Roy v Evil Thea fight, I hope she cuts him with her sword mid-flip.
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PhoncipleBone said:
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lmao perfect

fallengorn said:
Boxing glove arrow AND a flip? Episode redeemed.
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Pretty much.

Volimar said:
maybe Grodd crossed over to Starling and took her out for rejecting his offer for her to be Fay Raye in his reimagining of King Kong.
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omg
 
PhoncipleBone said:
I thought that the second season started strong. The only real weak episode in the first batch was the Bronze Tiger one.

But it did get into crazy awesome town when Slade showed up in town.
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I find that Arrows best enjoyed in hindsight vs week to week viewing. Season two was kind of a jumbled mess with the island flash backs /Brother blood/hostile takeover of the company/ etc until the big picture came together.

I do agree that season 3 has been weaker mainly because they've killed off a lot of their strong actors. But I can't imagine that a season with Atom, Ra's and Amanda Waller isn't building to something awesome.
 
Veelk said:
The show really had a big opportunity in taking Arrow and establishing the series mythos for a wider audience. Rather than Ra's al Ghul, they could have taken that 7 seven weapon clan concept Lemire created in his run of Green Arrow and elaborated on it. He never had enough time to give most of the clans the full development they deserved. Only the Arrow clan and maybe the Mask and Spear Clan got development. The rest were kinda shafted. They could have milked multiple seasons out of them if they wanted to. They had the opportunity to create their own entire cast of villains that could potentially become iconic rouges in the franchise as a whole, like Diggle is now a comics character as well. And it was a mythology that was not only totally unique to Arrow, but even justified the use of such an outdated weapon to some extent.
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There's no way they could've done Outsiders War, since Lemire didn't start his run until about a year after the Arrow show started - and the OW was arc ended this summer. They could do it in the future, and it would be fucking baller as fuck if they did, but I'm gnite gonna get on the writers for not adapting an arc that wasn't even finished when they were writing for the TV show.
 
There's just not a lot of exciting things happening this season and no fun storylines/actors either.

The Hong Kong flashbacks are just awful and so are their two threads: who killed Sarah isn't that interesting because they're not actually investigating anything, just slowly advancing the plot and Laurel becoming Black Canary is just playing out the story we already know.

And there isnt a fun character like Slade to just be plain entertaining on screen. I dont know how much more of the really boring Oliver/Laurel conflict I can handle
 
Seesaw15 said:
I find that Arrows best enjoyed in hindsight vs week to week viewing. Season two was kind of a jumbled mess with the island flash backs /Brother blood/hostile takeover of the company/ etc until the big picture came together.
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Plus Suicide Squad (for one episode), Nyssa and the League of Assassins (for one episode) Moira taking blame for the earthquake then suddenly running for mayor, et al. There was a ton of shit going on in S2, a lot of which it just fizzled out in favor of the Slade story.

I think only S1 had a strong singular direction (so far), but compared to last year 3 has definitely been more focused.
 
I'm not feeling this season of the show, seems to me the A team left for Flash and a B team was left in charge of Arrow. It's weird.

I'm guessing, once this lame Sara's killer sub-plot gets delt with the season will pick up, but I guess that won't happen until he mid-season finale.
 
Error said:
I'm not feeling this season of the show, seems to me the A team left for Flash and a B team was left in charge of Arrow. It's weird.

I'm guessing, once this lame Sara's killer sub-plot gets delt with the season will pick up, but I guess that won't happen until he mid-season finale.
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Both previous seasons really picked up when the big villain of the season made their first move.
 
Error said:
I'm not feeling this season of the show, seems to me the A team left for Flash and a B team was left in charge of Arrow. It's weird.

I'm guessing, once this lame Sara's killer sub-plot gets delt with the season will pick up, but I guess that won't happen until he mid-season finale.
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sorry, but flash is so cringeworthy.
 
Future Foundation said:
There's no way they could've done Outsiders War, since Lemire didn't start his run until about a year after the Arrow show started - and the OW was arc ended this summer. They could do it in the future, and it would be fucking baller as fuck if they did, but I'm gnite gonna get on the writers for not adapting an arc that wasn't even finished when they were writing for the TV show.
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Eh....fair enough, but I don't think the arc needed to be finished, per se. I'm not asking them to adapt the story, just use the concept. I mean, even if it ended up being vastly different from what Lemire ended up doing, who cares? Superhero adaptations have always taken liberties, this would just be a case not knowing what liberties they would be taking from the original concept as it was not fully formed yet.

All they really would have needed is the full list of all the clans, if even that.

Edit: The outsiders were all revealed in issue 21, and Lemire started at issue 17 iirc. So basically, they could have run with Lemire's story 4 months after it's debut. The last clan wasn't revealed until later but that's hardly an issue.
 
Holy shit, I can't believe they actually did a boxing glove arrow. Roy's flips are getting more and more ridiculous. That Arsenal name-drop was great.
 
Wow people are complaining about the season. I think it's been great so far. I think some of you guys are just waiting for the big major season long plot point to show instead of enjoying the episodes.
 
Wreck-It Ralph said:
Was she in costume or something? How did you guys know it was her before they even properly introduced her?
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She just stood out. In the crowd shot she's standing a bit away from the main crowd (so she doesn't blend well) and is in the frame of the shot longer than other background bystanders. In the parking lot, she's literally walking through the shot, alone as it pans to the van. And she's walking in the same direction that the pan is moving.

-Deimos said:
If Flash is cringe worthy, I don't even know what Arrow is.
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Outside of tonights line from Cupid, Flash has for more cringeworthy dialogue. Cisco's comments about Plastique were awful and Barry's reasoning for still not telling Iris is the worst kind of comic book logic. The difference really is that Arrow's darker mood makes bad lines stand out more while Flash's lighter mood makes the cheese feel more fitting.

Veelk said:
Eh....fair enough, but I don't think the arc needed to be finished, per se. I'm not asking them to adapt the story, just use the concept. I mean, even if it ended up being vastly different from what Lemire ended up doing, who cares? Superhero adaptations have always taken liberties, this would just be a case not knowing what liberties they would be taking from the original concept as it was not fully formed yet.

All they really would have needed is the full list of all the clans, if even that.

Edit: The outsiders were all revealed in issue 21, and Lemire started at issue 17 iirc. So basically, they could have run with Lemire's story 4 months after it's debut. The last clan wasn't revealed until later but that's hardly an issue.
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There was no way they were going to roll with a concept like that without having the entire thing mapped out before the season started.
 
Jest Chillin said:
There was no way they were going to roll with a concept like that without having the entire thing mapped out before the season started.
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Can you explain why not? The concept is simple. It exists in a few parts.

1. Ancient clans surviving into the modern age. This one is simple enough and considering the League of Shadows is in part this, it's doable.
2. They represent themselves via weapons: Again, this is simple. It's just a way of differentiating between the clans, while giving them the same theme. The seventh clan was missing, but they could have either made up a new one or just did what the comic did and not revealed it until later. The inclusion of Ollie's father's intentions with the clan is optional. Archers can exist without them being part of the Arrow clan, after all.
3. A war between them: I feel this one is optional, but it seems like the natural end for which they'd be used for regardless of whose writing. I mean, they're warrior clans, what else are they gonna do? Again, I feel whichever clan is assisting or opposing the arrow is interchangable. In the comic, the Fist clan opposed them, but there's no reason they couldn't be allies for any reason in the show.
4. Ancient weapons of awesomeness: This one is an interesting idea to add to the Outsider Mythos, but given Arrow's gritty tone, this one is unnecessary. Batman Begins didn't use the Lazarus Pits for Ra's, Arrow can just ignore this part since it doesn't fit in their show.

That's pretty much all they knew from issue 21 and they could have made their own concept of the Outsiders up. Other than maybe Komodo, they could have anybody be part of any clan they wanted, including making up characters wholesale as head of the clans. They could elaborate on the history of the clans in any way they want. I know they can because they already tinkered with Deathstroke's story and character, with Canary's. Even Komodo's story was altered in the show from the comic in every way sans that he is an archer named Komodo.

Comics are guidelines, not sacred law. Adaptations, by and large, take the comics ideas and rework them to suit their own needs. So what are you getting at? Why couldn't they have taken the concept and run with it? It's a very fertile trope, that's why it exists to this day. I could come up with 10 story ideas with it offhand right now. So why can't they go "Okay, ancient clans symbolized by certain weapons coming into the modern age to fuck with Ollie. Good, I'll take it from here."
 
Veelk said:
Can you explain why not? The concept is simple. It exists in a few parts.

1. Ancient clans surviving into the modern age. This one is simple enough and considering the League of Shadows is in part this, it's doable.
2. They represent themselves via weapons: Again, this is simple. It's just a way of differentiating between the clans, while giving them the same theme. The seventh clan was missing, but they could have either made up a new one or just did what the comic did and not revealed it until later. The inclusion of Ollie's father's intentions with the clan is optional. Archers can exist without them being part of the Arrow clan, after all.
3. A war between them: I feel this one is optional, but it seems like the natural end for which they'd be used for regardless of whose writing. I mean, they're warrior clans, what else are they gonna do? Again, I feel whichever clan is assisting or opposing the arrow is interchangable. In the comic, the Fist clan opposed them, but there's no reason they couldn't be allies for any reason in the show.
4. Ancient weapons of awesomeness: This one is an interesting idea to add to the Outsider Mythos, but given Arrow's gritty tone, this one is unnecessary. Batman Begins didn't use the Lazarus Pits for Ra's, Arrow can just ignore this part since it doesn't fit in their show.

That's pretty much all they knew from issue 21 and they could have made their own concept of the Outsiders up. Other than maybe Komodo, they could have anybody be part of any clan they wanted, including making up characters wholesale as head of the clans. They could elaborate on the history of the clans in any way they want. I know they can because they already tinkered with Deathstroke's story and character, with Canary's. Even Komodo's story was altered in the show from the comic in every way sans that he is an archer named Komodo.

Comics are guidelines, not sacred law. Adaptations, by and large, take the comics ideas and rework them to suit their own needs. So what are you getting at? Why couldn't they have taken the concept and run with it? It's a very fertile trope, that's why it exists to this day. I could come up with 10 story ideas with it offhand right now. So why can't they go "Okay, ancient clans symbolized by certain weapons coming into the modern age to fuck with Ollie. Good, I'll take it from here."
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Before the season starts, they have to have an outline of the arcs for the entire season. Why would they take a concept like that on short time without having an idea as to where they're going to take it and what it's purpose is?

It's way too large a gamble to take for the sake of a "cool concept."
 
DAT BOXING GLOVE ARROW

Also, you guys have made a drinking game by now, right? If my week long Arrowthon taught me anything, it's that one would literally kill you by the end of the first episode.

Take a shot whenever you hear/see:
  • "Are you okay?"
    Bam, you're already dead.
  • "YOU HAVE FAILED THIS CITY"
  • "The Undertaking"
  • "What really happened on that island?"
  • "Jooooooohn"
  • "I need some air"
  • Radioactive
  • a mad sick flip
  • Vertigo
  • Felicity hacks into something using Hacker Typer
  • Someone catches one of Oliver's arrows
  • a 5-minute scene of Oliver warning/comforting Laurel
  • someone leaves a scene crying
  • more than two mad sick flips in one episode
  • Thea judges someone/breaks up with Roy
  • Diggle says something goes against the crusade
In other news, we need more Suicide Squad.
 
The flashbacks are really weak this season. Not sure if it's because of how good they were last season and they had no real chance of being as good or if the direction they've taken is just boring, but they are really dragging down the show.

Not that what's happening in Starling is any much better. When are the big players going to make their move? Wasn't Slade introduced as Blood's benefactor around this time last season?
 
Jest Chillin said:
Before the season starts, they have to have an outline of the arcs for the entire season. Why would they take a concept like that on short time without having an idea as to where they're going to take it and what it's purpose is?

It's way too large a gamble to take for the sake of a "cool concept."
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Well, lets see...Issue 21 of Green Arrow released in June of 2013. That issue is essentially all they need to use the concept of the Outsiders. The first episode of Arrow aired in October of that year. I don't know how far in advanced they have to have arcs written out, but that means they had 5 months to make it work if they were going to work it into season 2. I don't know about you, but 5 months time seems more than doable to me.

But wait, they had even more time than that.

There is nothing suggesting they needed to work it into season 2 as the primary arc. Deathstroke can still be the main villain. What they could/should have done is what they ended up doing with the league of shadows: plant seeds. Have Komodo show up or a new character that alludes to the other weapon clans or something. Canary could have been one of the Clans. The writers don't need to have all the answers now, just have them show up in a few key scenes, maybe give them an episode or two, and then save it for the next season. Just like they did with the League of Shadows. The only difference being is that rather than stealing yet another Batman villain to carry their season for them, we'd be seeing the actual Green Arrow's mythos come to life. This also has the benefit of giving them more time than when the season starts airing to decide what they want to do with the Outsiders. And with the actual event being season 3, that means they had a year and 5 months total to create their own story, which gives them another 12 issues of Lemire's Outsiders to help the world build if they really, really wanted to be close to his depiction for some reason.

So it seems to me time wouldn't have been an issue.
 
I don't know who Cupid was, but I noticed the red hair lady both times and figured she was up to no good! Now that I know it was Cupid, I'm suddenly stupid :(

I felt I introduced the boxing glove arrow more...intimately.

Oliver should really stop giving Laurel shit about everything. He's being kind of mean. She just lost her sister for crying out loud and can't even tell their father! Laurel's character arc is starting to get good and her transition into the Black Canary isn't as bad as I thought.

Laurel, she needs to learn to drive. How she crashed and managed to have it catch fire is ridiculous. She wasn't even spinning out of control that much in the shot before. Moving on...

That Roy flip was glorious.
 
That was a really disappointing episode.

First, I'll list the good:

- Ted Grant was a vigilante. That was good.

- Laurel was great. I'm aching for her to put on the Black Canary suit. They're doing a good job of building her up.

- Boxing glove arrow.

- Seeing that one mysterious girl (come on, we all knew who she was) everywhere, and it turning out to be Cupid, stupid. It would have been cool if they seeded her into the previous episodes as well.

- They gave Roy something to do.

The negatives:

- HOLY CHRIST, OLIVER WAS THE DOUCHIEST DOUCHE THIS SIDE OF DOUCHES IN THIS EPISODE. Like, what the fuck? "He beat a man to death six years ago, Laurel." One guy. One. By accident. At which point he fucking quit and opened an inner-city gym to try and turn youth away from gang life.

YOU HAVE KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, OLIVER.

You have literally murdered dozens of people in the first year of your crusade.

You fucking dick. Holy Christ. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY CHRIST. I was staring there, slack-jawed at his self-justifications.

- They gave Roy something to do.

- Diggle with the balaclava. Good Lord. Even Ted Grant had a unique mask/

FalconSabre said:
With Cupid's stalking all episode, I can just imagine her being in the shadows the last two seasons with Radioactive playing everytime Ollie kissed someone.
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OH MY GOD SOMEONE NEEDS TO GIF SOMETHING LIKE THIS IMMEDIATELY, ASAP.
 
Wow, NTGYK, your impressions sure make it sound like I am in for a positive, good vibes episode. Which is great, because I have such positive feelings on this show already.
 
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- HOLY CHRIST, OLIVER WAS THE DOUCHIEST DOUCHE THIS SIDE OF DOUCHES IN THIS EPISODE. Like, what the fuck? "He beat a man to death six years ago, Laurel." One guy. One. By accident. At which point he fucking quit and opened an inner-city gym to try and turn youth away from gang life.

YOU HAVE KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, OLIVER.

You have literally murdered dozens of people in the first year of your crusade.

You fucking dick. Holy Christ. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY CHRIST. I was staring there, slack-jawed at his self-justifications.
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Yeah, its really hard to like Ollie this episode.

Diggle was kind of annoying when talking about Roy as well.
 
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