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ARROW Season 3 |OT| Welcome to the New Age

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Miles Quaritch said:
The flashbacks are really weak this season. Not sure if it's because of how good they were last season and they had no real chance of being as good or if the direction they've taken is just boring, but they are really dragging down the show.

Not that what's happening in Starling is any much better. When are the big players going to make their move? Wasn't Slade introduced as Blood's benefactor around this time last season?
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they have to take out the flashbacks soon. they have been getting shorter and shorter this season. the slade flashbacks have been the best and i doubt they can top it.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
Ollie the hypocrite is a longstanding mainstay of the character,

I, for one, am glad they aren't ignoring that part of the character.
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yeah i didnt like he was talking to ted about being a murder when he has killed a bunch but he didnt turn in ted.. well i guess in the beginning he did but didnt really pursue him.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Seriously,just the waves of douchiness emanating from Ollie this episode.

What a dick.
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Yeah I actually agree with you. Very cringe worthy! Actually in my opinion this season has been a pretty big step down from season 2 so far. I mean it's still early and it could get better. I hope it does because so far I'm enjoying it but not as much as season 2.

infi said:
Yeah, its really hard to like Ollie this episode.

Diggle was kind of annoying when talking about Roy as well.
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Yup this also felt very out of character for Diggle. This episode was kind of all over the map. Even IGN gave it a "mediocre" rating with a score of 5.7/10.
 
Probably my favorite episode of the season, especially coming a week after one of the worst episodes the show has had. Everything just clicked with me. The China flashbacks are pretty weak, and hopefully the show ditches them soon, but at least they sorta bridged it to what was happening in the present with recovering lost memories.

Really starting to like Ted. I'm glad they made him a former vigilante. If shit really hits the fan, he can always pick up the brass knuckles and help out Team Arrow.

The only negative for me was how they treated Roy. Like I get that you can't control how you might feel about him killing someone you care about, but you know it wasn't really him. He would bear zero responsibility. There really isn't any justice in treating him like garbage.

I felt like clapping when they managed to get the boxing glove arrow in there. Just beautiful. This fucking show.
 
Kevin said:
Yeah I actually agree with you. Very cringe worthy! Actually in my opinion this season has been a pretty big step down from season 2 so far. I mean it's still early and it could get better. I hope it does because so far I'm enjoying it but not as much as season 2.
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its only the 6th episode of 23. cmon
 
Lazyslob said:
its only the 6th episode of 23. cmon
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It's enough to get a basic idea of direction and so far I'm finding a lot of "red flags" in the writing. Don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying the show a lot and will stick with it. Just commenting that so far it's a bit of a let down.

I think what will be most interesting is to see when Laurel will actually become Black Canary and the time frame for that.
 
Kevin said:
It's enough to get a basic idea of direction and so far I'm finding a lot of "red flags" in the writing. Don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying the show a lot and will stick with it. Just commenting that so far it's a bit of a let down.

I think what will be most interesting is to see when Laurel will actually become Black Canary and the time frame for that.
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not really. the first season started slow as fuck but ended really good.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
LOL. I don't remember Laurel pulling off moves this smooth before training.

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Roy has the upper hand.
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Roy is a natural, though. Look at those flips. He's like a big cat.

I hope to catch up tomorrow with the latest episode. Should be fun.
 
What about the man you BEAT to DEATH 6 years ago?

Did he tell you he BEAT a man to DEATH?!

Like that MAN YOU BEAT TO DEATH?!

Oliver was hilariously hypocritical in this episode. Loved it.
I am also loving the shit out of Laurel this season.
 
I love hypocritical Oliver.

Props to Arrow for realising that a lead character can sometimes be a complete prick. Stuff like this and 'MALCOLM IS UNDER MY PROTECTION' is building to Oliver screwing up big-time, and I can't wait to see the pay-off. Which has to be:

ROBOT TOMMY; I told you not to kill. (mechanical sounds.) But it's so much fun. (whirring) I HAVE A METAL FIST.
 
Watching this season UK pace (unlike the Flash which I need to see as soon as it airs) and judging from some of these reactions, I'm really considering throwing in the towel. I have so little interest in where things are headed, I think writing out Moira, Slade and Sara in quick succession has left a massive hole in the show that it's doubtful to recover from.
 
SpideySenses said:
Watching this season UK pace (unlike the Flash which I need to see as soon as it airs) and judging from some of these reactions, I'm really considering throwing in the towel. I have so little interest in where things are headed, I think writing out Moira, Slade and Sara in quick succession has left a massive hole in the show that it's doubtful to recover from.
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I really wouldn't.

S1 didn't really get going until the Barrowman-Dark Archer review, and got consistently good when Slade arrived. S3 seems to be going for that approach. By episode 9 and episode 13, it's going to pick up the pace.
 
Meh episode. Again. I won't explain what's wrong with this season, it has already been explained here ten times.

i'm actually excited about Cupid, i love crazy/obsess/fangirl characters.
 
Why don't people understand why Ollie was being such a douche to Laurel? He's clearly still in love with her and is jealous of Ted, thats the real reason he's trying to keep them apart. His hypocritical behavior makes sense in the context of the story.
 
Frank the Great said:
Why don't people understand why Ollie was being such a douche to Laurel? He's clearly still in love with her and is jealous of Ted, thats the real reason he's trying to keep them apart. His hypocritical behavior makes sense in the context of the story.
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No way, dude, I didn't hear Radioactive playing.
 
Veelk said:
Well, lets see...Issue 21 of Green Arrow released in June of 2013. That issue is essentially all they need to use the concept of the Outsiders. The first episode of Arrow aired in October of that year. I don't know how far in advanced they have to have arcs written out, but that means they had 5 months to make it work if they were going to work it into season 2. I don't know about you, but 5 months time seems more than doable to me.

But wait, they had even more time than that.

There is nothing suggesting they needed to work it into season 2 as the primary arc. Deathstroke can still be the main villain. What they could/should have done is what they ended up doing with the league of shadows: plant seeds. Have Komodo show up or a new character that alludes to the other weapon clans or something. Canary could have been one of the Clans. The writers don't need to have all the answers now, just have them show up in a few key scenes, maybe give them an episode or two, and then save it for the next season. Just like they did with the League of Shadows. The only difference being is that rather than stealing yet another Batman villain to carry their season for them, we'd be seeing the actual Green Arrow's mythos come to life. This also has the benefit of giving them more time than when the season starts airing to decide what they want to do with the Outsiders. And with the actual event being season 3, that means they had a year and 5 months total to create their own story, which gives them another 12 issues of Lemire's Outsiders to help the world build if they really, really wanted to be close to his depiction for some reason.

So it seems to me time wouldn't have been an issue.
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They film the majority of the year, so your 5 month estimate plainly doesn't work.

And I'd rather the showrunners of shows I'm already enjoying keep doing what they do, rather than spend the time looking to yank a premise from a book without knowing where or how it's going to conclude.

Honestly your proposal is unreasonable and you wouldn't be suggesting it as an alternative if you hadn't have read it all and enjoyed it.
 
Jest Chillin said:
They film the majority of the year, so your 5 month estimate plainly doesn't work.

And I'd rather the showrunners of shows I'm already enjoying keep doing what they do, rather than spend the time looking to yank a premise from a book without knowing where or how it's going to conclude.

Honestly your proposal is unreasonable and you wouldn't be suggesting it as an alternative if you hadn't have read it all and enjoyed it.
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Is there any possible way we can get specific dates as to when production of the episodes started? Because we are doing a lot of speculating here.

But lets say it's like you said. Majority of the year? Okay, lets work with your framework then. Assuming all 23 episodes are created within a 12 month period. That means they could have started including the Outsiders at any point in the latter half of the season. Episodes 13-24 is nearly 500 minutes of screentime. Are you seriously going to argue this show is so tightly written they can't take 5 to 20 of them just to establish the Outsiders? Come on. And again, they do not need to be the arc villains or anything, they merely need to be included. You wouldn't have to rework the present story we got in season 2 to a great degree to insert them somewhere. God knows we didn't need 15 scenes where slade comes up to Ollie, minorly inconviences him somehow, then bwahahha's his way offscreen.

And I don't know why you keep bringing up that it was an incomplete story in the comics. For only the billionth time, it does not matter what the comics were going to do with it. They're not adapting the story, they're taking the concept. I explained the difference above. They don't need to know where it will end up. Lemire could reveal the outsiders are actually underground lizard men whose goal is stealing all the apple pies in the world and there are no comic police that will go up to the Arrow writers and arrest them if they don't follow what Lemire wrote. I don't know how to explain more plainly. The concept of a thing is not the same and has nothing to do with the implementation of a thing. Lemire and the Arrow writers can take the same concept and implement it however they want without needing to reference each other at all.
 
Good episode but for fuck sake they need to get rid of Roy. Utterly insufferable. I'd rather watch Laurel whinge and moan 24/7 than see Roy. Having Roy as Sarah's murderer as well feels forced and daft, not to mention pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things. Maybe there is a possibility it's still not the case though? I dunno. I just find anything to do with Roy shit.
 
Frank the Great said:
Why don't people understand why Ollie was being such a douche to Laurel? He's clearly still in love with her and is jealous of Ted, thats the real reason he's trying to keep them apart. His hypocritical behavior makes sense in the context of the story.
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Of course. Sara's dead. Got to go back to the side chick and Ted was fucking that up. lol
 
Carbonox said:
Good episode but for fuck sake they need to get rid of Roy. Utterly insufferable. I'd rather watch Laurel whinge and moan 24/7 than see Roy. Having Roy as Sarah's murderer as well feels forced and daft, not to mention pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things. Maybe there is a possibility it's still not the case though? I dunno. I just find anything to do with Roy shit.
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They confirmed that Roy's not the murderer in this episode.
 
SniperHunter said:
The last episode with Facility's mom was extremely bad imo. Show is slipping
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dcelw540 said:
Im feeling it a bit too, some of the acting and decisions are a bit off
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fallengorn said:
Thank god for that boxing glove arrow. This episode is pretty mediocre.
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Volimar said:
The arrow cycle.
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I just think that Arrow is still shaking of the Glau effect.
because for as pretty/good as Summer Glau may be, she negatively effects almost every show she is on, and in most cases they get cancelled shortly after she has a recurring role. Arrow producers got cocky and brought her on anyway, now the show is still trying to shake her curse like a lingering cough.
 
DeathyBoy said:
I really wouldn't.

S1 didn't really get going until the Barrowman-Dark Archer review, and got consistently good when Slade arrived. S3 seems to be going for that approach. By episode 9 and episode 13, it's going to pick up the pace.
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S2 started slow as hell until Slade was revealed as the villain in E9. The only problem is that in S3 we already know who the big bad is since E4.
Veelk said:
Is there any possible way we can get specific dates as to when production of the episodes started? Because we are doing a lot of speculating here.

But lets say it's like you said. Majority of the year? Okay, lets work with your framework then. Assuming all 23 episodes are created within a 12 month period. That means they could have started including the Outsiders at any point in the latter half of the season. Episodes 13-24 is nearly 500 minutes of screentime. Are you seriously going to argue this show is so tightly written they can't take 5 to 20 of them just to establish the Outsiders? Come on. And again, they do not need to be the arc villains or anything, they merely need to be included. You wouldn't have to rework the present story we got in season 2 to a great degree to insert them somewhere. God knows we didn't need 15 scenes where slade comes up to Ollie, minorly inconviences him somehow, then bwahahha's his way offscreen.

And I don't know why you keep bringing up that it was an incomplete story in the comics. For only the billionth time, it does not matter what the comics were going to do with it. They're not adapting the story, they're taking the concept. I explained the difference above. They don't need to know where it will end up. Lemire could reveal the outsiders are actually underground lizard men whose goal is stealing all the apple pies in the world and there are no comic police that will go up to the Arrow writers and arrest them if they don't follow what Lemire wrote. I don't know how to explain more plainly. The concept of a thing is not the same and has nothing to do with the implementation of a thing. Lemire and the Arrow writers can take the same concept and implement it however they want without needing to reference each other at all.
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Dude you do realise we're heading into Outsiders Wars now? We have Komodo and Katana already cast, the logo of the show is changed to reflect Outsider wars too. It's definitely being set up.
 
Mario007 said:
Dude you do realise we're heading into Outsiders Wars now? We have Komodo and Katana already cast, the logo of the show is changed to reflect Outsider wars too. It's definitely being set up.
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That's not what the Arrow Clan logo looked like. Actually, if anything, the older logo was closer because the Arrow Totem was just a glyph mark of an arrow, without the intricate design that the new logo has. It could just be a change to reflect that we're dealing with the League of Assassins now rather than the outsiders. I don't know what they're going to do with Katana, but considering she was a hero long before the Outsiders ever became a thing....Komodo would be the strongest evidence you have, but he was a regular merc with no indication of being part of something bigger.

Yeah, I'm not seeing much solid evidence of an outsiders storyline here that isn't circumstantial. I agree they COULD potentially go that direction, but there isn't any indication that's where we're going. We have plenty of indicators we'll be dealing with the League of Assassins though, which leads back to my original criticism of the show: It needs to stop using Batman villains as a crutch at this point when Arrow has a season arc's worth of enemies that he could be dealing with. If we are headed towards the Outsiders war....Good, but it shouldn't have taken this damn long and the League of Assassin's still shouldn't be this major a presence in this show.
 
Veelk said:
Is there any possible way we can get specific dates as to when production of the episodes started? Because we are doing a lot of speculating here.

But lets say it's like you said. Majority of the year? Okay, lets work with your framework then. Assuming all 23 episodes are created within a 12 month period. That means they could have started including the Outsiders at any point in the latter half of the season. Episodes 13-24 is nearly 500 minutes of screentime. Are you seriously going to argue this show is so tightly written they can't take 5 to 20 of them just to establish the Outsiders? Come on. And again, they do not need to be the arc villains or anything, they merely need to be included. You wouldn't have to rework the present story we got in season 2 to a great degree to insert them somewhere. God knows we didn't need 15 scenes where slade comes up to Ollie, minorly inconviences him somehow, then bwahahha's his way offscreen.

And I don't know why you keep bringing up that it was an incomplete story in the comics. For only the billionth time, it does not matter what the comics were going to do with it. They're not adapting the story, they're taking the concept. I explained the difference above. They don't need to know where it will end up. Lemire could reveal the outsiders are actually underground lizard men whose goal is stealing all the apple pies in the world and there are no comic police that will go up to the Arrow writers and arrest them if they don't follow what Lemire wrote. I don't know how to explain more plainly. The concept of a thing is not the same and has nothing to do with the implementation of a thing. Lemire and the Arrow writers can take the same concept and implement it however they want without needing to reference each other at all.
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I don't have the specific numbers but there are plenty of people on GAF who would remember how long Stephen Amell has said they film.

What I'm saying is, it's a bad idea for a Showrunner to read a single issue of a single comic and then decide to shove some of that into his or her show. It would be sloppy and lead to loose ends (Diggle looking up H.I.V.E. and nothing comes of it). Not to mention that just because a concept may be interesting doesn't mean that justany writer can do it justice. People have styles and strengths and assuming that just because Lemire did well with his story based on his concept that anyone and everyone on Arrow could do the same is just wrong. This is why we constantly see rewrites with Movies. Concept is not everything, execution is huge. And I'd much rather a Showrunner do what they do best than try to adopt a concept that wasn't their own that may not fit their story or overall vision.

I get it. You didn't like certain aspects of S2 and S3 and you love the hell out of Lemire's concept. Doesn't mean it's the proper fit for the show. And consider that S2 was positively received overall, the general public doesn't seem to mind the Rogues from other heroes galleries. If it ain't broke.
 
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