Coulomb_Barrier
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Those two sentences present a mad paradox. And is why Arstechnica have no credibility.
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Arstechnica: Dont read too much into the PS4s million day-one sales
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Those two sentences present a mad paradox. And is why Arstechnica have no credibility.
I don't see why people are so upset about this article. It is simply pointing out there is a low correlation between initial sales and final sales. It is a valid point. It is the best article? No, but that is hardly a reason to get upset. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft was benefiting from an anti-Sony fanboy bias. The Sony defense force is a little ridiculous right now.
And to the people pointing out the difference between 24 hours and the first week, it is completely irrelevant when you sell out of 95%+ of your launch stock in day one. You rarely see replenishment stock until the following week. They are essentially the same thing. I'd be really surprised if Sony made an announcement of week 1 sales because it is unlikely to change beyond potentially passing 1.1M units.
Signed,
Day one PS4 console owner that valiantly attempted to get his wife to switch from Xbox to PS4 despite the fact that his first PS4 console was bricked
And to the people pointing out the difference between 24 hours and the first week, it is completely irrelevant when you sell out of 95%+ of your launch stock in day one. You rarely see replenishment stock until the following week. They are essentially the same thing. I'd be really surprised if Sony made an announcement of week 1 sales because it is unlikely to change beyond potentially passing 1.1M units.
Signed,
Day one PS4 console owner that valiantly attempted to get his wife to switch from Xbox to PS4 despite the fact that his first PS4 console was bricked
Byakuya769
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Kinky.
graywolf323
Member
is Dunham still with Sony? I remember he was at Zipper but they closed
he was one of my faves back in the day
Noone knows how the generation is going to play out.
That much is true. In this case, its the source, and the timing of this article thats suspicious as fuck. The guy tweeting that gamers are 'losing their shit' needs to realize that the only reason that the feedback is going this way because they made their fucking bed.
Had they not written such bullshit in weeks prior, noone would doubt their motives here.
This is what happens when you take a steaming wet shit all over your own credibility. They were all chest out at the time they were peddling that resolution bullshit. Don't go crying about the side effects of noone taking you seriously now. Deal with it.
That much is true. In this case, its the source, and the timing of this article thats suspicious as fuck. The guy tweeting that gamers are 'losing their shit' needs to realize that the only reason that the feedback is going this way because they made their fucking bed.
Had they not written such bullshit in weeks prior, noone would doubt their motives here.
This is what happens when you take a steaming wet shit all over your own credibility. They were all chest out at the time they were peddling that resolution bullshit. Don't go crying about the side effects of noone taking you seriously now. Deal with it.
flamingotripod
Member
Overreaction much?
These fucking articles man, these fucking articles. That's a lot of fucking words saying a lot of fucking nothing, aimed at no one in particular. There needs to be some sort of simple checklist a journalist goes through before writing these articles about nothing in particular where they saying nothing of any substance:
"Is my article an opinion piece?: Yes? Say it's one!"
"Do I have a particular demographic of readers i would like to address with the article?: Yes? Continue..."
"Is this demographic gamers in general
and by address do I mean piss them off?: Yes? Better check you facts son or make sure everyone knows it's an opinion piece. No? Continue..."
"Am I adding anything of value to any discussion that is being had, do i have any point what so ever?: Yes? Continue..."
"Even if my viewpoint is massively misaligned with the average gamer, do my views make sense, do i present them in a fashion that is not condescending, can someone who is reading the article say to themselves 'I don't agree but i see where he/she is coming from'?: Yes? Continue..."
"Does my article entertain or inform?: Yes? Continue... No? Try again Both? You won neogaf!"
It's like a choose your own adventure where the moral of the story is stop writing shite.
"Is my article an opinion piece?: Yes? Say it's one!"
"Do I have a particular demographic of readers i would like to address with the article?: Yes? Continue..."
"Is this demographic gamers in general
neogaf
"Am I adding anything of value to any discussion that is being had, do i have any point what so ever?: Yes? Continue..."
"Even if my viewpoint is massively misaligned with the average gamer, do my views make sense, do i present them in a fashion that is not condescending, can someone who is reading the article say to themselves 'I don't agree but i see where he/she is coming from'?: Yes? Continue..."
"Does my article entertain or inform?: Yes? Continue... No? Try again Both? You won neogaf!"
It's like a choose your own adventure where the moral of the story is stop writing shite.
D
Deleted member 17706
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They don't? Didn't someone just show that both the Wii and the PS2 (market leaders in their respective generations) also had the highest launch day sales?
Any data from previous generations?
People are annoyed (I don't think upset is the right word), because it's a condescending article no matter how you look at it. It's telling its readers, "hey, you know that record-breaking impressive achievement that just happened? I'm going to tell you why it's not actually impressive at all! I'm going to tell you why you're wrong if you think it means anything." Who is it being directed at? The writing history of its author also indicates a pretty heavy bias, which is annoying when it's being posted on a tech site from which you'd hope for some neutrality.
Is it? Why would you care if it is or not?
We're not talking about the 360 launch here.
So edgy!
would calling someone a consoletard on this forum get you banned? would you get fired from your job for calling a customer/client a retard? no its not overreaction.
1.1M is still 100,000 units higher than 1M. As far as I know, Sony shipped 100,000 PS2 units per week after launch so the total after week 1 could very well have pushed it above the GC and Xbox first week sales.
Eh the premise that launch day sales does not mean that the console will dominate is true, but the whole article just read to me like the writer is trying to downplay Sony's amazing launch day. With the whole line about how any console maker could of hit those number if they had the units. Well sure maybe they could, but they didn't and Sony did. So in my opinion everyone should be at least congratulating them not saying "Eh anyone could of done that" I want to make it clear that I don't want to claim that it is because he loves Microsoft or anything either. Maybe he is just one of those guys that has to rain on everyone's parade.
Prince Vultan
Banned
Absolutely fucking pathetic.
i would like to know what are you implying here.
QuicheFontaine
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Kun Aguero
Member
is Dunham still with Sony? I remember he was at Zipper but they closed
he was one of my faves back in the day
No he's not with Sony any more. Had no connection with them since zipper closed afaik.
Version 3.0
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What strikes me as odd is that these types of articles aren't even PR hand-me-downs. Game previews are sometimes pre-baked PR. Interviews and Q&A's may be as well. But this? It's beyond PR. No one at Microsoft would write something like this. It's almost as bad as some of the poorly informed rants (that end in bans) in NPD threads over the years.
Teletraan1
Banned
After that twitter post if I was his boss I would tell him he isn't writing about anything ever again for me. No reason to use that kind of wording.
This is the same guy who wrote the Resolution Wars article.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...p-about-the-next-gen-console-resolution-wars/
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/dont-read-too-much-into-the-ps4s-million-day-one-sales/
His biases are pretty obvious.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...p-about-the-next-gen-console-resolution-wars/
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/dont-read-too-much-into-the-ps4s-million-day-one-sales/
His biases are pretty obvious.
This is why I respect Jason from Kotaku. I may not agree with him on occasions, but at least he has the guts to come here and engage us in thoughtful discussion and not run and hide on Twitter.
Version 3.0
Member
Just because he arrived at the right answer doesn't mean he did the math right.
I am a PC Gamer first and I am offended by the notion that 1080pvs720p doesn't matter.
exactly. which is why i think this shouldn't last for long. and if he does, then the "boss" or whoever is in charge is lol an idiot.
because this kind of attitude is what makes people hate you / your site. and if you do not care about your site reputation. you might as well shut it down.
i mean, he is same guy who said 1080p and 720p isn't much of a difference. and this is coming from a website that mainly PC stuff care about nothing more than benchmark, technology and resolutions.
its clear this guy is just a butt hurt troll
its more the way he tried to prove his point by using information that totally contradicted his point. also the tweets from ars like consoletards and touchy little buggers want them to give their console choice a bj. that stuff is totally uncalled for and needs to just plain stop.
Version 3.0
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The N64 had a better launch than the PS1. Prior to that, I couldn't tell you. They most definitely don't correlate, though. But they're also not meaningless; they just need to be looked at a little more intelligently than their awful article.
NoirVisage
Banned
man, you're working OT.
yitdadee08
Neo Member
I don't disagree with this article either. One thing about those consoles with huge early sales that went on to have great success (PS2, X360) is that they were supported with a good amount of quality games. If Sony supports the PS4 with many quality titles, I don't see why the PS4 couldn't continue to post high sales. I just wish ArsTechnica would have explicitly stated this point, instead of only shutting people's hopes down.
zerokoolpsx
Member
24 hours != A week. Wait until then and lets see if they'll still sprout their crap. They make it sound like the Wii U had the best console launch ever when they included all of 2012.
You know what. I can't even take them seriously. This is a joke right?
You know what. I can't even take them seriously. This is a joke right?
He is not altogether incorrect, there's not a 1:1 correlation or anything, but without a good start, it's unlikely you are going to be a competitor.
Of course, that they felt the need to run damage control on whether people were "looking into" those PS4 numbers says it all - once again, it's a service against how shitty and dumb they perceive their audience to be, not a service any one actually needs in their readership (unless they're fanboys). It's straight up for their masters.
Of course, that they felt the need to run damage control on whether people were "looking into" those PS4 numbers says it all - once again, it's a service against how shitty and dumb they perceive their audience to be, not a service any one actually needs in their readership (unless they're fanboys). It's straight up for their masters.
plagiarize
Banned
As am I.
Stop insulting your readers! Do you know how much advertisers pay for advertising on a website that doesn't have any readers?
Whenever i see new articles like this it becomes more and more clear that all these journalists are slowly but surely becoming very bitter and annoyed, why? Because they are losing their relevance, nowadays more and more people are likely to either go to a site like this for news OR go to a YT to watch some Youtuber they can relate to more than some "journalist". Their revenues and traffic are going down and their traditional business model is crumbling so it's no wonder that they scream and shout with these so called "opinion" articles. Like it was mentioned, there was a time when I thought Ars was very respectable place, sadly those times are gone.
Lee Hutchison is a sharp guy and writes neat, informative pieces for Ars. Check out his Web Served series on setting up a personal web server.
I don't really disagree with him either, console gamers really need to chill.
The whole article is one giant hypocrisy. Don't read to much into sales. Isn't that exactly what this speculative article is doing in the first place? There's nothing to read into, a piece of plastic sold 1 million units in 24 hours. That's the summation of every article I've read on PS4 sales. It's set records, it's sold a lot on day one. It's speculative/reading into it to assume someone is assuming that means instant success, is it not?
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
I can't wait for the NPD receipts next month.
Scathing hoT will be the clocking done unto FlopTechnica
What is this feeling? Did I just like a Popgaf post?
jim-jam bongs
Member
Never, ever read Ars for gaming news. Tech and science coverage have gone downhill in recent years, but they're still somewhat worthwhile. Their gaming coverage has always been abysmal.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
If you guys here at GAF really want to do something save those images and retweet them to the Conde Nast twitter as they are the ones who own Ars.
That and the main Ars twitter itself.
Sitting here on GAF pissed off isnt really going to get the kind of show you folks want to see.
That and the main Ars twitter itself.
Sitting here on GAF pissed off isnt really going to get the kind of show you folks want to see.
plagiarize
Banned
If we'd chilled when the gaming press told us to, Xbox One pre-orderers would be about to enjoy their DRM infested console on Friday. This attitude of 'The people we write for are morons who need to be told what to do and what to think' really has to stop.
I hate my customers. Customers, please read my articles. You DB's.